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Booger says

clambo says

7. Russia withdraws, and pays war reparations out of foreign reserves.

Include Russia must accept ethnic Russians being removed from Ukraine, Transnistria, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, and hopefully the Russian part of East Prussia which should be given to Poland.

Whatever it takes to keep the world multi polar. I do not want a one world government.

cisTits says

GNL says

Whatever it takes to keep the world multi polar. I do not want a one world government.

...and whatever pisses off the Ukey Nazi Fluffers and their Zelensky CIA puppet in the process as well.

So far Putin Cum Gurgling Commies seem to be much more pissed at the whole situation. :rolleye:

4 or 5 depending on the will of the people in those regions.

This will have to be followed by 7... a strong US president who protects US interests, and not globalist interests, both at home and abroad. Not somone who already has dubious ties to our allies and advisaries alike.

Unless we stop playing the world's traffic cop all together... but we're too far immersed in global affairs to easily extract ourselves. The Millitary Industrial Media complex is firmly entrenched.

Leave Russia and Ukraine alone; let them figure it out amongst themselves. Stop playing cop, the cop game is up.

8. Line up Zelenskyy and all his cronies against the wall and shoot them.
Then let Russia finish taking over the Ukraine. Unless this happens, the people there will suffer for decades as there will be no money to recover from this war. And if there is money it will be money for BioLabs, information warfare, and black site projects from the oligarchy which controls the USA and the EU. The best thing for the world and also for the Ukrainian people is that they be conquered by Russia and brought back under order and international norms and conventions.

Onvacation says

mell says

6) Don't care, as long as we stop sending $$ to Ukraine and let Europe deal with it.

I am much more concerned with what is going on in America.

India's foreign minister said "europe thinks its problems are world's problem but world's problem is not its problem". I think he meant to include US in there.

In this connected world it will be very difficult to be concerned about only your country.

indc says

In this connected world it will be very difficult to be concerned about only your country.

Name another country other than the United States, which is constantly engaging in wars to enact regime change?

It actually ISN'T that hard to do to just be concerned with only your nation. MOST nations are CHIEFLY concerned with their own nation. The exception is the United States and Europe, which I think is controlled by the United States. India doesn't really do anything, Russia doesn't do much - although they do a little, China really doesn't do anything.

richwicks says

indc says

In this connected world it will be very difficult to be concerned about only your country.

Name another country other than the United States, which is constantly engaging in wars to enact regime change?

It actually ISN'T that hard to do to just be concerned with only your nation. MOST nations are CHIEFLY concerned with their own nation. The exception is the United States and Europe, which I think is controlled by the United States. India doesn't really do anything, Russia doesn't do much - although they do a little, China really doesn't do anything.

I am going to disagree with your statement. Regime change is not the only way to engage with other countries. Italy's PM was right when she said France is the reason there are so many refugees coming to Europe because their resources are being looted by france.

China does regime change in Nepal, Sri-lanka, Maldives, south korea to some extent that I know of.

indc says

I am going to disagree with your statement. Regime change is not the only way to engage with other countries. Italy's PM was right when she said France is the reason there are so many refugees coming to Europe because their resources are being looted by france.

China does regime change in Nepal, Sri-lanka, Maldives, south korea to some extent that I know of.

Well, I won't argue this, but I think the United States is the worst. Whenever we do regime change, at least in the last 20 years, I think we've made it worse not only for the people in that country, for for our own country.

indc says

In this connected world it will be very difficult to be concerned about only your country.

You can't help others until after you have helped yourself.

Let's start by fixing America, then we can root out corruption in Ukraine.

#6.

We have to get out of the mentality that it's 1947 and Europe can't fend for itself.

AmericanKulak says

#6.

We have to get out of the mentality that it's 1947 and Europe can't fend for itself.

Haha, Europe could have fended for itself in WWII.

The BANKS couldn't... That's what that war was really about. Hitler broke ranks with the banking system. Now Hitler wasn't a nice guy or a saint or anything, he was a genocidal, drug addicted maniac - that was no problem, the problem was he broke with the banking system.

What he did was break the bonds of the European banking system. That was his great sin.

Do people really think the us should just totally stop playing cop?

We have a lot of problems, but so what. Humanity is extremely violent. Human history is war and plunder every few years, one after another, over and over again. I don't think 2022 humans are any different, and will pursue such ends unless people group together to oppose it.

IMO if we became passive and just adopted a "dont care about shit unless you attack us directly" policy, we would soon find ourselves surrounded as some other country with an aggressive "ambitious" leader gradually absorbs the rest of the world and becomes more and more powerful until it becomes a situation where we must submit to them. IMO better to watch for countries with expansionist tendencies and oppose their actions so as to keep lots of distinct countries.

Granted, the current usa-rule regime plunders a fair bit from other countries too. But I think it could be a lot worse. The west pursuing one world govt does worry me though.

I do think countries should put more effort into self defense though. But this might be done on purpose to give the usa more power.

Hircus says

Do people really think the us should just totally stop playing cop?

It's a fair question but a conflict about 2 border regions is hardly an ambitious leader with world dominance fantasies. Not the same ballpark, not even same league

Hircus says

Do people really think the us should just totally stop playing cop?

We have a lot of problems, but so what. Humanity is extremely violent.

Yep, should stop
playing cop going forward after this legacy of 1994 Ukraine/Kazakhstan/Belarus nukes confiscation is resolved.
The US is simply upholding its obligations taken on almost 3 decades ago. Sleepy Joe is too cautios and waffles too much though. This could've been resolved much faster by supplying long-range weapons thus removing the CCCP's impunity and leveling the playing field.

#2 and Ukraine in the NATO.

The latter would remove the temptation for a re-match.

Pukin should stay the tsar and continue ruining the CCCP with his stupidity.

8 years ago, a completely different narrative…

RWSGFY says

Pukin should stay the tsar and continue ruining the CCCP with his stupidity.

The CCCP has been gone since 1991. It's 32 years later.

Jesus, I'm so sick of people pretending that Russia was the threat that the USSR was. The USSR was a belligerent totalitarian state that ACTUALLY engaged in propaganda and commonly created real problems and infiltrated our society at multiple levels. Russia doesn't need to do that, there's George Soros, and the current DNC to do that. I'm sure Russia is regretting the decisions of the USSR at this point.

Communism sucks, even China realizes this which is why they've moved onto hybrid fascism. Russia is doing the same thing. The US is PAST hybrid fascism and we're moving into technological fascism.

mell says

Since this has been debated ad nauseam and most arguments been heard, how would you like to see the Russian - Ukrainian conflict resolved:

Who cares how you HOPE the conflict will be resolved?

Here's how it's probably going to be resolved.

Ukraine will be split, the war will be dragged out for YEARS, we'll return to Cold War deficit spending, ALL of Europe will go into austerity, China, Russia, and India will develop an economic bloc (they were already working on this anyhow), the US will start MORE wars in the Middle East to feed European energy needs - so expect Syria to warm up again and possibly Libya, and there will be endless stupid "red scare" propaganda for YEARS to come.

Neocons run the country. Warwhore chickenhawks are in COMPLETE control of congress.

But here's what I HOPE will happen. I HOPE that Ukraine will get rid of their foreign oligarchs, they end their relationship with the US having Zelenskyy murdered in the street and hung from a lamppost along with Ihor Kolomoyskyi, that the mafia in that country is over-thrown, that Putin does away with Russia's own mafia, that Europe will drop their alliance with the US (or the US' government collapses ala USSR style collapse in corruption), that we'll hang them all, make peace, get rid of the Federal Reserve, and I'll be shitting rainbows and we'll all be living in a gingerbread house at the end of Lollypop Lane.

That's what I HOPE will happen, but I'm doubtful it will.

gabbar says

Leave Russia and Ukraine alone; let them figure it out amongst themselves. Stop playing cop, the cop game is up.

This is also my opinion, but leaving them alone does not make the big bux for US weapons makers and does not extend US political influence, so the US will continue fucking around over there.