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Western Wonder Weapons Too Fragile for Ukrainian Battlefield


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2022 Nov 30, 11:09am   4,342 views  73 comments

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Attention Ukey Nazi Fluffers! We have a blue light special on Aisle The Fucking Truth Hurts!

And the truth is: You don't take Western artillery pieces to a...um, an actual artillery fight, apparenrly. High tech don't mean shit if it has a premature ejaculation problem.

In the artillery-heavy intensive warfare conditions of the east Ukrainian battlefield, hi-tech Western artillery pieces are being called on to fire hundreds of shells each a day and are simply not up to the conditions or the task, not tough enough, breaking down quickly due to wear and tear.

The commander of the logistics service of the ground forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, Brigadier General Volodymyr Karpenko, complains that these Western weapons “constantly break down and require repair.”

The US-made M777 Howitzers which have become the mainstay of the Kiev regime’s military forces are quickly “blooming” under intense firing rates, which is to say the front of the artillery barrel explodes and fray’s back, looking much like a precious flower.

The M777s are largely made of titanium instead of steel, theoretically making them lighter and quickly mobile for shoot & scoot after firing, but aren’t proving durable as a result.

According to Ukrainian Deputy Minister of Defense Denis Sharapov one out of every 3 M777s have to be taken away for repair after the very first artillery duel.
US defense officials admit as much, reporting that a third of the roughly 350 Western-made howitzers are out of action at any given time.

Likewise; 1 out of 3 of the 22 vaunted German Panzerhaubitze 2000’s provided to the Kiev regime are also reported by German military officials as in need of repair after just a month of battlefield use. Seems they can’t take firing more than a hundred shells a day.

Similar problems are being reported with the US’s M109 artillery pieces, the Italian FH70, and the French
Broken and failing Western weapons need to be transported all the way across Ukraine to Western repair centers set up in Poland, Slovakia, and Germany – repaired if possible – and then make the return journey back to the front, under Russian fire, taking many months.

Jack Watling of the Royal Institute of Armaments in London notes that “The current approach, where each country transfers batteries in parts, is quickly becoming a logistical nightmare for Ukrainian forces, as each battery requires a separate training, support and logistics system“.

These hi-tech Western wonder weapons are just too fragile and precious, too logistically demanding, to hang in the high-intensity conflict in Ukraine.


What happens when an artillery barrel 'blooms':




https://frontierindia.com/m777-howitzers-constantly-break-down-and-require-repair-says-ukraine/

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/25/us/ukraine-artillery-breakdown.html

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-war-how-to-repair-the-ukrainian-armys-modern-weapons/a-63215373

https://vpk.name/en/610446_deputy-minister-of-defense-of-ukraine-every-third-m777-howitzer-has-to-be-taken-away-for-repair-after-the-first-artillery-duel.html

https://www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/politik/deutschland/ukraine-panzerhaubitze-2000-mit-verschleisserscheinungen-a-e0a3bc00-5e4b-40fa-821a-c2d158079133?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://www-spiegel-de.translate.goog/politik/deutschland/ukraine-panzerhaubitzen-2000-wegen-ersatzteilmangels-ausser-gefecht-a-a9056b03-3c01-40cb-b495-611817741b21?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/amp/2022/09/21/m777-barrels-in-ukraine-bloom-they-will-be-repaired-abroad/

https://marksleboda.substack.com/p/western-wonder-weapons-too-fragile

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5   socal2   2022 Nov 30, 4:17pm  

richwicks says

I don't understand the purpose of them doing this. If they think that Ukraine is going to win, I'd sure like for them to explain WHY they think that.


Can the Putin Patnet fan-club define a Russian "win" in Ukraine these days? Everything still going to plan for Russia with all this loss of life, material and previously conquered land?

What good is all that Russian artillery if they need to buy shells from North Korea and drones from Iran?

Ukraine is apparently so Nazi, Iran is providing weapons to kill their fellow anti-Semites - right?

Americans cheering on the Russian/Iran/North Korean/Chinese axis. It is all so confusing.........
6   Onvacation   2022 Nov 30, 4:27pm  

richwicks says

I do regard this as a US proxy war,

I regard it as a deep state actual war. I would not be surprised if we already have special forces on the ground. We are giving them logistical support along with massive material support.

It's not a proxy war. It's just another undeclared war to further the deep state agenda.
7   richwicks   2022 Nov 30, 4:29pm  

socal2 says

Can the Putin Patnet fan-club define a Russian "win" in Ukraine these days?


Russia's stated aims are to force Ukraine to be neutral and stay out of NATO. They will achieve that, even if that means they have to destroy the country.

socal2 says

Everything still going to plan for Russia with all this loss of life, material and previously conquered land?


Who knows? What does it matter?

socal2 says

What good is all that Russian artillery if they need to buy shells from North Korea and drones from Iran?


Who cares? The United States is dependent on CHINA for some of its military hardware.

socal2 says

Ukraine is apparently so Nazi, Iran is providing weapons to kill their fellow anti-Semites - right?


If you want an explanation of why Nazis would work with Jewish oligarchs:

https://ryandawson.substack.com/p/why-would-a-jewish-president-work

socal2 says

Americans cheering on the Russian/Iran/North Korean/Chinese axis. It is all so confusing.........


I don't really care about that. I want the Neocons out of power. It doesn't seem though that, no matter how much they absolutely fuck the dog, they still manage to stay in control, while this country burns. Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Libya, Ukraine - fucking idiots. It's like the stupidest worst possible people controlling our foreign policy, and as long as teeeeeveeeee cheers them on, it's all AOK!

Neocons might as well be working for the Russian/Iran/North Korean/Chinese axis - they have done more damage to this nation in 20 years than they that axis EVER did.

Supporting this, stupid, incompetent fucking assholes, is destroying this nation and it's not like we don't know what will happen. They have a 100% track record of not just failure, but SUPER FUCKING FAILURE. Oh gee though, let's give them one more chance! It's not like they'll fuck up the EIGHTH time, right? Jesus, get rid of them.
8   clambo   2022 Nov 30, 4:29pm  

The Russians are in retreat, they're losing.

I'm glad to see them being wasted.

The Kremlin is a bunch of dopes; "let's invade a country with Western training, equipment and an army of 150,000 guys. I think 150,000 Russians should be enough."

I've been to Russia when it was the Soviet Union and I said to my companion afterwards : "The USA is afraid of this bunch of knuckleheads?"
9   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Nov 30, 4:32pm  

we had same problems in vietnam.

it buffles me that russia with less funds builds better weapons than we do. they build things to last, we build them to be replaced.
10   Onvacation   2022 Nov 30, 4:34pm  

socal2 says

Can the Putin Patnet fan-club define a Russian "win" in Ukraine these days?

Not really a fan of Putin but it would be a win if the Russians could negotiate a settlement that would end the Zelensky regime (or whoever controls them) and restore Ukrainian freedom and independence.
11   Onvacation   2022 Nov 30, 4:35pm  

The Democrats have been fomenting a war with Russia for a while. Why?
12   richwicks   2022 Nov 30, 4:37pm  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

it buffles me that russia with less funds builds better weapons than we do. they build things to last, we build them to be replaced.


The MIC builds things to make money. They aren't at all interested in actually winning a war. The F-35 was a TREMENDOUS success, 1.5 trillion set aside for that boondoogle.
13   richwicks   2022 Nov 30, 4:39pm  

Onvacation says

socal2 says


Can the Putin Patnet fan-club define a Russian "win" in Ukraine these days?

Not really a fan of Putin but it would be a win if the Russians could negotiate a settlement that would end the Zelensky regime (or whoever controls them) and restore Ukrainian freedom and independence.


That would be great, but I don't think Russia is going to allow independence of Ukraine anymore than the United States would allow it. Ukraine will have a new puppet regime at the end of this, regardless of who is the ultimate victor.
14   Onvacation   2022 Nov 30, 4:40pm  

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

they build things to last, we build them to be replaced.

So true. It must suck for planned obsolescence to kick in when you're in the middle of a firefight.
15   socal2   2022 Nov 30, 4:45pm  

Onvacation says

Not really a fan of Putin but it would be a win if the Russians could negotiate a settlement that would end the Zelensky regime (or whoever controls them) and restore Ukrainian freedom and independence.


Restore their "freedom and independence" to be a vassal-state of Russia?
16   Onvacation   2022 Nov 30, 5:17pm  

socal2 says

vassal-state

If it costs the USA hundreds of billions to maintain Ukraine as our vassal state, I say let them have it.

I am MUCH more concerned about the cold civil war going on in America
17   socal2   2022 Nov 30, 5:29pm  

Onvacation says

I am MUCH more concerned about the cold civil war going on in America


Sure - me too.

I totally understand and can respect Americans concerned about our financial commitment or the risk of escalation to WWIII.

What I don't understand is the perverse and grotesque villainization of Ukraine for defending themselves against Russia's ham-fisted invasion.

Bizzaro world watching some people who seem to be absolutely gleeful that Russia with the help of jihadis from Chechnya/Syria/Iran and weapons from North Korea destroy tens of thousands of lives.
18   stereotomy   2022 Nov 30, 5:56pm  

Look at it this way, if the oligarchs of the US decide to ship all our weapons to the UkiNazis, then there's less hardware available to the National Guard to subdue insurrections at home. It would be like that scene in "Snowpiercer" when the plebes realize that the guards have no bullets in their guns. Given how strained supply chains are, "they" wouldn't be able to replace armaments that quickly. As a bonus, we now know that the high-tech artillery can't shoot more than 100 rounds a day without blooming/exploding.

They got the guns, but we got the numbers
Gonna win, yeah, we're taking over
COME ON!
19   richwicks   2022 Nov 30, 5:58pm  

socal2 says


What I don't understand is the perverse and grotesque villainization of Ukraine for defending themselves against Russia's ham-fisted invasion.


It's not Ukraine that began this. It's the United States that began this. This has been pointed out REPEATEDLY. Victoria Nuland in a tapped call with Geoffrey Pyatt was picking out the next "leader" (US puppet) of Ukraine, 1 week, and 4 days before Viktor Yanukovych was removed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

If the United States didn't overthrow Ukraine, Ukraine wouldn't have gone to civil war with their Russian population. This civil war began because they wouldn't accept the coup. The war in Donbass began in 2014, right after the coup.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas_(2014%E2%80%932022)

This has been pointed out, MULTIPLE times, and people just pretend RUSSIA began this conflict.

The US did. They started a civil war, then they started arming "their side", this led to escalation, Russia did the same to "their side", and it gradually built up to a war.

The US doesn't care if every, single, Ukrainian dies. Another work of the fucking useless Neocons. Cost us a 100 billion so far, will probably go into the trillions, has left Europe energy starved, and has made India and China allies with Russia. Fucking brilliant!
20   stereotomy   2022 Nov 30, 5:59pm  

richwicks says

socal2 says


What I don't understand is the perverse and grotesque villainization of Ukraine for defending themselves against Russia's ham-fisted invasion.


It's not Ukraine that began this. It's the United States that began this. This has been pointed out REPEATEDLY. Victoria Nuland in a tapped call with Geoffrey Pyatt was picking out the next "leader" (US puppet) of Ukraine, 1 week, and 4 days before Viktor Yanukovych was removed.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

If the United States didn't overthrow Ukraine, Ukraine wouldn't have gone to civil war with their Russian population. This civil war began because they wouldn't accept the coup. The war in Donbass began in 2014, right after the coup.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas(2014%E2%80%9...

Something about leading a horse to water . . .
21   Ceffer   2022 Nov 30, 6:29pm  

Every time I hear about a discussion of Ukraine, it's like the blind men and the elephant.
22   richwicks   2022 Nov 30, 6:48pm  

stereotomy says


Something about leading a horse to water . . .

I'm just sick of it.

If you don't know the US overthrew Ukraine that means either

1) you don't know enough about the situation to know about the Victoria Nuland - Geoffrey Pyatt call and the contents
2) you're an idiot that can't put 1 and 1 together to make 2
3) you're lying about the whole situation, starting with the coup

And I simply can't believe there's anybody that can't put 1 and 1 together.

Ignorance I can understand, even 8 years later, and I think real stupidity is VERY rare, but I am fucking fed up with dishonesty.
23   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Nov 30, 6:56pm  

Onvacation says

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says


they build things to last, we build them to be replaced.

So true. It must suck for planned obsolescence to kick in when you're in the middle of a firefight.


when guns jam it sucks.
25   RWSGFY   2022 Dec 8, 8:35am  

cisTits says

Ukey Nazi


Hey, where's the proof of Ukie Nazism? We've been waiting for 9 months already and stll nothing. Even Pukin stopped talking about this nonsense several months ago.
26   RWSGFY   2023 May 16, 9:05am  

Fragile Western weapons has just downed 6 "robust and unstoppable" hypersonic Kinzhal missiles fired at Kyiv.

The whole narrative about superior Soviet weaponry keeps crumbling further and further. With "hypersonic wunderwaffen" myth gone what's left?
27   richwicks   2023 May 16, 9:48am  

RWSGFY says


Fragile Western weapons has just downed 6 "robust and unstoppable" hypersonic Kinzhal missiles fired at Kyiv.


I doubt this. They fly at mach 6. That's about 2 km a second. Interception would only be possible by creating a collision by calculating flight path very accurately, and having millisecond timing. I suppose it's possible, but I don't believe the US government.

Our government, constantly lies about the success of our military. In Operation Desert Storm, the US claimed, I think, a 90% interception rate of SCUD missiles with Patriots. You know what the actual interception rate was? 0. The Patriots (at the time) were a complete failure against rockets from the 1970s.

I don't know why our government constantly lies. What's the point? It's almost like a wrestling match where they are trying to get people to root on the US side because "they are winning". I don't know why people consider the US government credible after the Snake Island BS or the Ghost of Kiev. I wonder if pranksters create these narratives or our own intelligence agencies do.
28   The_Deplorable   2023 May 16, 10:18am  

RWSGFY says
"The whole narrative about superior Soviet weaponry keeps crumbling further and further."

The Soviets and Soviet weaponry are not fighting in the Ukraine... The Soviet Union collapsed over 30 years ago.

It is Russia or the Russian Federation with Russian weaponry that is fighting in the Ukraine. And yes, Russia is defeating NATO and the US in Ukraine massively and decisively. Denying the obvious does not change the fact.
29   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2023 May 16, 10:26am  

Russia's going to nuke the Uke with a dirty bomb!

Two hours later...

Russia bombed the Uke's cache of depleted Uranium dirty bombs the EU gave them!

Those Bastards!
30   stereotomy   2023 May 16, 10:49am  

RWSGFY says


cisTits says


Ukey Nazi


Hey, where's the proof of Ukie Nazism? We've been waiting for 9 months already and stll nothing. Even Pukin stopped talking about this nonsense several months ago.


Depleted U238 is only chemically dirty (heavy metal) - it has a half life of fucking 4 billion years. A banana (which contains Potassium 40) is more radioactive. For fuck's sake, stop repeating non-scientific propaganda bullshit.

It's heavy metal poisoning. The same thing happens with lead, cadmium, etc.
31   richwicks   2023 May 16, 10:57am  

stereotomy says

Depleted U238 is only chemically dirty (heavy metal) - it has a half life of fucking 4 billion years. A banana (which contains Potassium 40) is more radioactive. For fuck's sake, stop repeating non-scientific propaganda bullshit.

It's heavy metal poisoning. The same thing happens with lead, cadmium, etc.


I don't think it's a good idea to be using essentially nuclear waste in war and if Russia did this, our ever hypocritical government, would be screaming war crimes.
32   AmericanKulak   2023 May 16, 10:58am  

richwicks says

Our government, constantly lies about the success of our military. In Operation Desert Storm, the US claimed, I think, a 90% interception rate of SCUD missiles with Patriots. You know what the actual interception rate was? 0. The Patriots (at the time) were a complete failure against rockets from the 1970s.

SCUDs were first built in the late 1950s.

The Patriot sucked against a second gen ballistic missile.

Everybody is in for a rude awakening if ASMs are launched at a task force; those missiles are simply not going to perform anywhere near Advertised or as they did in Red Storm Rising.

Remember the USAF Sparrow AIM-7 was supposed to have a 70% kill against MiGs; IRL it was 10% against export grade MiG-21s that were mostly without Threat Detectors.
33   richwicks   2023 May 16, 11:25am  

You know, I really don't know how the Russian military matches up to the US military, but there is one key difference I think will play a part.

The US doesn't fight wars with even a mission involved. The aim is to prolong the war as much as possible, and to spend as much money as possible. Russia seems generally to fight to win wars to end them and accomplish some objective.

I do think however, this is a Russian / US proxy war, and as a result, Russia has no plans to end this war, since it costs a LOT more in resources to produce American weaponry than it does for Russia to produce their weaponry. Who runs out of money first, loses, and I think it's going to be the US.

I think we've been making the same mistake that the USSR did for the last 20 years, just endless wars with no purpose or mission, tremendously expensive, allocating a HUGE proportion of the economy to it, and the people making the weaponry don't have much faith in the wars at all, so they don't care if the weapons work.

If I felt this government was actually acting in self defense, I wouldn't mind working for the MIC. I think there's a lot of people like me who steer clear of it. I'm not going to work for a government that has to lie constantly to wage war. I think the difference in the world if we just didn't bother with any of the wars in the last 30 years, is our government would be a lot less corrupt, our economy much more stronger, the US wouldn't be in nearly as much debt, and Neocons wouldn't be running our foreign policy. Hussein might still be around, Qaddafi almost certainly would have been, I doubt Europe would be over-run by refugees, I think Russia would be about the same, a lot less people would be dead.
34   WookieMan   2023 May 16, 11:27am  

The_Deplorable says

And yes, Russia is defeating NATO and the US in Ukraine massively and decisively. Denying the obvious does not change the fact.

Surely this is in jest, right? We could wipe Canada out in a week as land neighbors and they have a decent military. Russia is failing as a supposed top 5 military power. There's no disputing this. With a smaller civilian force and military Ukraine has dragged this out what 15 months now?

We occupied two countries in the ME across the globe. Actual combat operations were a few weeks to mostly gain control. I have multiple friends given my age that were there and I was prime age for a draft at that time. It's not government lying. I would trust zero information coming from Russia or Ukraine outside of fighting still going on at this point.

You lose the backing of your population if you admit you're losing. It's all lies. Unless you know someone fighting there personally, no one knows shit. And no, not just someone from Russia or Ukraine, ACTUALLY fighting. They likely don't have much time to make a phone call across the globe to let you know what's going on IF there even is telephone service on the front lines. Satellite phones aren't being used for personal calls to someone in the US in a war zone.

MSM has no one there. I've seen zero footage of anything from the likes of NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, FOX, etc. Anything on Youtube or the likes is likely all stock footage and not actual footage of combat. 90% of Americans give zero shits about this war. Ukraine could be getting smashed. But it's taken 15 fucking months??? There's nothing decisive about this at all. This is their next-door neighbor. They don't have to fly or bring supplies in by sea.

Russia may ultimately "win" whatever that looks like, but 15 months in they're failing or this would have been done and a peace settlement would have been done.
35   richwicks   2023 May 16, 11:34am  

WookieMan says

You lose the backing of your population if you admit you're losing.


You lose the backing of your population when the population finally realizes that their government constantly lies to them to get their backing. People still desperately cling to the hope that the Bush administration made a mistake in Iraq, Libya didn't last long and most people don't know there is a civil war there and slavery markets, Syria is off the back burner, Afghanistan was the first disaster PR couldn't hold together, and I expect Ukraine to be a worse disaster which is why I think the so-called "discord leak" was strategic to soften the blow.

US news media has a trust rating in the teens today.

WookieMan says


Ukraine could be getting smashed. But it's taken 15 fucking months???


It's going to take years. The point is to exhaust resources of each side. Supposedly, Ukraine has a military of about 1/2 million people:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1296573/russia-ukraine-military-comparison/

And 300,000 of them are dead, supposedly. Ukraine military is already finished, IF this is true, and it's going to be mercenaries from the US and EU, and they will be killed. I'll never understand mercenaries. Who would be stupid enough to kill or get killed for a paycheck? If you don't have air superiority, the people on the ground are just sitting ducks.
36   komputodo   2023 May 16, 12:28pm  

null says

The US-made M777 Howitzers which have become the mainstay of the Kiev regime’s military forces are quickly “blooming” under intense firing rates, which is to say the front of the artillery barrel explodes and fray’s back, looking much like a precious flower.

Don't you hate it when your howitzer starts blooming?
37   komputodo   2023 May 16, 12:31pm  

RWSGFY says

Fragile Western weapons has just downed 6 "robust and unstoppable" hypersonic Kinzhal missiles fired at Kyiv.

I remember back in the day when the only things ROBUST were coffee, cigars, and maybe red wine..now everything can be robust.
38   komputodo   2023 May 16, 12:35pm  

richwicks says

It's going to take years. The point is to exhaust resources of each side. Supposedly, Ukraine has a military of about 1/2 million people:

And don't forget to count the women trained with wooden rifles.
39   richwicks   2023 May 16, 12:40pm  

komputodo says


richwicks says


It's going to take years. The point is to exhaust resources of each side. Supposedly, Ukraine has a military of about 1/2 million people:

And don't forget to count the women trained with wooden rifles.



This isn't really something to joke about. These people are just going to their death in a futile war. If you can't win a war, you shouldn't fight it. Live to fight another day when you have the chance of winning. This is just assisted suicide with the help of the United States.
40   🎂 Tenpoundbass   2023 May 16, 12:59pm  

komputodo says

RWSGFY says

Fragile Western weapons has just downed 6 "robust and unstoppable" hypersonic Kinzhal missiles fired at Kyiv.

I remember back in the day when the only things ROBUST were coffee, cigars, and maybe red wine..now everything can be robust.


LOL



41   The_Deplorable   2023 May 16, 12:59pm  

Earlier I wrote, " And yes, Russia is defeating NATO and the US in Ukraine massively and decisively. Denying the obvious does not change the fact."

WookieMan says
"Surely this is in jest, right?"

No it is not. Just look at the evidence:

1. Crimea is now part of Russia.

2. The Eastern Ukraine, Donbass etc is now part of Russia.

3. NATO is out of ammunition.

4. The NATO economies are collapsing - they are bankrupt.

5. The Russian sanctions are not hurting Russia but they are bankrupting NATO.

You need to ignore the MSM. They are lying 24/7.
42   richwicks   2023 May 16, 1:22pm  

The_Deplorable says


You need to ignore the MSM. They are lying 24/7.


^^^ This ^^^

Even after 20 solid years of them lying about anything and everything, people STILL listen to them. George Floyd, Kyle Rittenhouse, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Libya, the elections was the most secure in history, Russian Collusion, Russian Interference, Hunter Biden's laptop is just Russian disinformation, kids with gender confusion that don't surgically transition are at higher risk of suicide, vaccines are safe and effective, masks work to stop the spread, 6 feet distancing slows the spread, ventilators are absolutely necessary, the coronavirus came from a wet market not the BSL5 lab down the street from the wet market, trust fauci, the vaccinated are at risk from the unvaccinated, inflation is temporary, the Ghost of Kiev, Snake Island.

Oh, but Putin invaded Ukraine for absolutely no reason and Ukraine is about to win any moment now.

Is it possible for some people to recognize that we have the USSR's 1985 version of Izvestia and Pravda as "mainstream news".

WHAT the fuck does it take? They're compulsive liars, and it couldn't possibly be more obvious, but I still have to hear people repeating their bullshit and nonsense. AT BEST we have no fucking idea what is going on, and at worst, we do, and it's the exact opposite of the what our "news" is claiming.
43   Patrick   2023 May 16, 1:45pm  

richwicks says

This isn't really something to joke about. These people are just going to their death in a futile war. If you can't win a war, you shouldn't fight it. Live to fight another day when you have the chance of winning. This is just assisted suicide with the help of the United States.


I'm pretty sure that Anthony Blinken and Victoria Nuland just want lots and lots of Ukrainians and Russians to die.

So from that point of view, the US-funded war over there is a great success.
44   socal2   2023 May 16, 1:49pm  

The_Deplorable says

Earlier I wrote, " And yes, Russia is defeating NATO and the US in Ukraine massively and decisively. Denying the obvious does not change the fact."


MASSIVELY and DECISIVELY!!!

Do you realize how retarded it is to make such hyperbolic claims?

A massive and decisive victory would not include Russia occupying less land than they conquered 12 months ago - including Russia's 5 month long failure to capture all of Bakhmut.

Russia is right fucking next door to Ukraine and it has been the biggest military cock-up since WWII. Generations will be studying the total failure of Russian planning, logistics and leadership. Russia has pathetically had to rely on prisoners in Wagner to be their cannon fodder and this whole arrangement is falling apart.

But yeah - keep telling yourself that Putin is super stoked about the progress of his illegal invasion.

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