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majority Germans want peace and do not view Russia as a threat


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2022 Oct 18, 8:58pm   1,677 views  14 comments

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A majority of Germans don’t consider Russia a significant military threat to Germany, oppose a military leadership role in Europe for their country and prefer restraint on the world stage, according to a new public opinion poll.

“Can we trust Germany?” Latvian Defense Minister Artis Pabriks asked during the forum. “We are ready to die. Are you?”

Regarding Russia, 22% of German respondents described the threat it poses as “significant” compared with 50% who classified the country as a “minor” military danger, according to the Koerber poll.

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/europe/2022-10-18/germany-security-russia-7730229.html

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1   AD   2022 Oct 18, 9:11pm  

If I was to bet on American Democrats and Wokes versus German Wokes, I would bet on the American Left.

So shut the fuck up pretentious German Left and keep buying LNG from America as Secretary Blinken has suggested.

And I would not be shocked if NY Times, Washington Post, etc. start reporting about pedophilia and/or Antisemitism rumors circling about Chancelor Olaf Scholtz or any German politico type who are not toeing the Globalist and Woke line.

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2   AD   2022 Oct 18, 10:16pm  

cisTits says


Majority of Germans are fucked in the head.

WW2 guilt.


Yeah, I think they went the opposite of Nazi's and went full Woke peaceniks. They went full Woke with almost the same zeal as the Nazis.

And I love it how a smug Democrat globalist named Secretary Blinken told these German Left wing that they should be grateful that they can buy LNG from America.

The same smug German Left Wing laughed at Trump. I just love how they are getting played by the Biden Admin.

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3   AmericanKulak   2022 Oct 18, 11:10pm  

Germany the state is absolutely awful at Geopolitics, have been since Bismarck was canned by the Kaiser.. Surprising because Austria in it's various incarnations was often the master of the European Chessboard, and Prussia was often a wheeler-dealer.

Since Bismarck, Germans consistently make stupid calls and get their asses kicked on the World Chessboard.
4   richwicks   2022 Oct 18, 11:21pm  

AmericanKulak says

Since Bismarck, Germans consistently make stupid calls and get their asses kicked on the World Chessboard.


The US has bribed and bought up ever single fucking politician of any significance in the Europe, OR, the US itself is controlled by the same entity.

ECB is the real government of Europe, ALL of Europe. I'm not sure if the Fed and ECB collude, but they probably do although I'm certain they engage in competition from time to time.
5   Hircus   2022 Oct 18, 11:29pm  

cisTits says


WW2 guilt.


They've adopted teenage mentality, where they think its realistic to just be passive and peace will follow. This allows their thin skin to avoid the scald of criticism which still hasnt healed after 75 years.

They can do it though since they have the american and british pitbull to bite anyone who gets out of line. And they can even blame us and snicker at us, virtue signaling how peaceful and evolved they are and how violent, troublesome, and stupid we are for electing a hitler-like orange man.
6   AmericanKulak   2022 Oct 18, 11:32pm  

richwicks says


The US has bribed and bought up ever single fucking politician of any significance in the Europe, OR, the US itself is controlled by the same entity.

Not the case before or after WW1 until the late 1940s, or the crappy colonization attempts of Germany abroad, so those decisions are Germany's.

Germany rules Europe for the benefit of Frankfurt, and most of the leadership is Swiss, German, or now, South Asian (like Silicon Valley). The EU is just the Fourth Reich by Economic Means.

There's a reason all European powers before the 19th Century had a policy of NEVER allowing the Germanies to unite.
7   AD   2022 Oct 18, 11:37pm  

Hircus says

virtue signaling how peaceful and evolved they are and how violent, troublesome, and stupid we are for electing a hitler-like orange man.


That is why I love seeing Secretary Blinken, a Jewish American, saying that the Germans can buy LNG from the USA. Its like karma for the smug German left wing laughing at Trump.
8   richwicks   2022 Oct 19, 12:08am  

AmericanKulak says


richwicks says


The US has bribed and bought up ever single fucking politician of any significance in the Europe, OR, the US itself is controlled by the same entity.

Not the case before or after WW1 until the late 1940s, or the crappy colonization attempts of Germany abroad, so those decisions are Germany's.

Germany rules Europe for the benefit of Frankfurt, and most of the leadership is Swiss, German, or now, South Asian (like Silicon Valley). The EU is just the Fourth Reich by Economic Means.

There's a reason all European powers before the 19th Century had a policy of NEVER allowing the Germanies to unite.



OK, I'm going to drop a truth bomb on you, which you won't believe, but that's fine.

Every government is a mafia, EVERY government is. The ruling class of Europe has ALWAYS been the banking system, at least in the last 200 years. Their big fear is an independent entity that is free of them. Russia is (largely) free of them. That's their interest in this war in Ukraine - they want to weaken Russia and to economically take it over. This is why Europe doesn't ever act in the interests of Europe, it acts in the interests of the ECB, which is ultimately controlled by the Swiss, with some restrictions by the United States to some level - Swiss bank accounts are no longer private for example. I don't know what concession was made to allow that, but something was.

The big fear of the ECB is that Russia and Germany will work together. Germany has the engineering know how and experience in manufacturing, and Russia has the raw materials, and a TON of them. If they are allowed to work together in ACTUAL free trade, they would become an economic juggernaut. This was the fear in WWII, England didn't care about Poland or France, and Hitler threw off the Treaty of Versailles which was designed to destroy Germany. The Nazi party just got rid of their dependence on the European banking system at the time, and then allied itself with the USSR.

If Stalin wasn't such a fucking retard, he would not have turned against the Germans, and it's quite likely they would have won WWII. The USSR did a lot of the heavy lifting in that war. They determined the fate, Stalin's STUPID plan was betray Germany, let Europe destroy itself, then take over all of Europe. The reason there was a Marshall Plan was to prevent that takeover. The Marshall Plan is PROBABLY what ultimately led to the US' gold default in 1971.

It's all banking interests. That's the real reason for WWII. Jews WERE targeted but not the extent we are told, there WAS a holocaust for Jewish people (and many others), but again not to the extent we're told. Jewish people were targeted because of their (likely) association with the banking of the time, and they're still there.

WWII was about economics and the banking system, and this, WWIII, is about the same thing and we are in WWIII. We've been in WWIII for a while really.

Putin was kicking out Jewish oligarchs of his country, they're just criminals just like our criminals, Zuckerberg is a criminal for example, so is Bill Gates, so is everybody. They break the laws all the time, but it's ignored, PROVIDED they work for the national security state, which is what we live in now. Putin has been doing this for 20 years. Putin also put their central bank under the thumb of the Russian government as well. East Germany still had good relations even after the wall went down, because the same people that were in power and authority then (for economic production) were still there.

All wars are about keeping nations backwards, less competitive, and under the control of a financial system. The reason the financial system is largely controlled by Jewish families, is that they were the only people allowed to engage in usury.

The situation we find ourselves in today is a result of continual persecution of Jewish people during the Dark Ages, and exempting them from the laws that Christians were forced to follow.

One person's criminal mafia family, is another person's idea of a family business. Just because the government says "X is illegal", well good luck enforcing that when that family bidness is EXTREMELY powerful, powerful enough to take down governments which can also easily flee and move to a different nation.

The problem we mostly have is our conditioning. We are told all cultures are equally good, that the law is fair and blind, that the mafia really is just a bunch of people selling drugs and prostitutes, and maybe gambling rings and that criticizing a Jewish criminal, well, you'd only do that if you're anti-Semitic. Bernie Madoff had the whistle blown on him MULTIPLE times, nothing happened to him, until he started stealing money from other Jews - WEALTHY and POWERFUL Jewish people. That's when that group decided to turn against him, before that, they protected him.

Look at what just happened to Kanye West - he's criticized the government, white people, "woke people", the liberals, blah blah blah - but he criticized Jewish people, and poof, his bank account is gone and he's silenced. If he was white, he'd be totally screwed, but he's black, that gives him some level of protection.

I think the most vulnerable group in the United States - the ones without a criminal syndicate giving them any protection, are the blacks, BTW. That mafia's of my lineage, they are small, they don't have much power, but I was raised Catholic, there's a Catholic mafia too.

You might be like "you racist anti-Semite asshole" - but no. I'm not racist, but powerful families, they are paranoid, they don't trust outsiders, I'm as good to them as a bug. They're more likely to trust people with similar beliefs and viewpoints that they have. That's just evolutionary psychology. Trust me, they are racist. As racist as Al Capone was, you didn't join his group unless you were Italian.
9   AmericanKulak   2022 Oct 19, 2:09am  

richwicks says


If Stalin wasn't such a fucking retard, he would not have turned against the Germans, and it's quite likely they would have won WWII. The USSR did a lot of the heavy lifting in that war. They determined the fate, Stalin's STUPID plan was betray Germany, let Europe destroy itself, then take over all of Europe. The reason there was a Marshall Plan was to prevent that takeover. The Marshall Plan is PROBABLY what ultimately led to the US' gold default in 1971.

This is a big post, but just on this one: It's the opposite of what happened.

Stalin was still insisting that trains loaded with Grain, Nickel, etc. be sent into Germany almost a day into reports across Poland that the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe was actively bombing airfields, fortifications, etc. led with a massive artillery barrage. He ignored unquestionable reports of Wehrmacht build up for months, hundreds of low level recon flights deep into Soviet Controlled areas by the Luftwaffe, and decided to go ahead with the yearly draft assignment for the Red Army (which is why the Russians couldn't fight - draftees not in the Army for a week or so had no idea had to clean a rifle, much less operate artillery or tanks) for fear of annoying Hitler. The Winter War was also humbling and he knew the Red Army wasn't ready to tangle with the Wehrmacht.

Stalin had been bending over backward since the collapse of Paris in 40 and all through 1941 not to piss off Hitler.

After it was clear it was a general invasion, Stalin went and sulked in his Dacha, and like Captain Whatshisname in Apocalypse Now, when the Soviet Leaders went there, he said "What are the charges?" He thought he was going to be executed for fucking up so bad, and was surprised to find himself asked for orders. The Soviet High Command simply could not think of anybody who could take over at such a time. That and they were petrified that Stalin was pretending and was actually about to identify more people for a purge.

richwicks says


OK, I'm going to drop a truth bomb on you, which you won't believe, but that's fine.

Every government is a mafia, EVERY government is.

No surprises here.

Any organized system can be described as a Mafia.

The world is an anarchistic, lawless environment. There are no police, and even if there was something like it (one could argue the Pax Americana) it's biased and double standards are inevitable: The strong do as they wilt, the weak suffer what they must. There is no alternative to this, except a tyrannical Oligarchical one-world government with no competition, and possibly no enemies eventually.

Governments are thus terrified of relative power differentials and will do anything to prevent them, including sabotage, black propaganda, and pre-emptive wars. In the process of doing so, they create power bases - financial, defense contractors, trade, etc. that end up having a major say in things. Again, much of this is unavoidable, it's only subject to mitigation that is hopefully somewhat effective and doesn't end up making things worse.

That's why geopolitics is a Tragedy.

richwicks says


I think the most vulnerable group in the United States - the ones without a criminal syndicate giving them any protection, are the blacks, BTW. That mafia's of my lineage, they are small, they don't have much power, but I was raised Catholic, there's a Catholic mafia too.

He was also cancelled not long after the "White Lives Matter". Catturd was cancelled as well and one other person whom I forget.

The first Public Figure cancelled by a Government in this century was actually Michael Savage, by the UK Government way back in the early 2000s, literally forbidden from entering the country despite a clean criminal record and precisely for his Warning of Western Decadence message. The problem is that people who criticize Jews never mention the "Good" ones.

There are good and bad in every group/org/ethnicity. Bishop Sheen on one hand, and Pope Francis on the other, for example.
10   richwicks   2022 Oct 19, 2:32am  

AmericanKulak says


After it was clear it was a general invasion, Stalin went and sulked in his Dacha, and like Captain Whatshisname in Apocalypse Now


Movies do not depict reality, at all. They are programming.

AmericanKulak says


he said "What are the charges?" He thought he was going to be executed for fucking up so bad, and was surprised to find himself asked for orders.


Pfft. You have to understand, we never see the real leaders. We see servants.

Banks controlled the USSR as well. They are the ultimate authority.

If you really get into history, you'll realize that most of what is written, is bullshit.

For example, 20 million Russians did not die in WWII. 6 million Jews were not killed in WWII. The Civil War had absolutely nothing to do with slavery. Pearl Harbor wasn't unexpected. There was no Gulf of Tonkin Incident. Iraq wasn't stealing incubators. The bombing of Libya had nothing to do with preventing a humanitarian crisis. The US didn't go to war because "Assad is gassing his own people".

If you think climatologists predicting the collapse of the environment for using fossil fuels suck, and produce bullshit propaganda, that's nothing compared to "historians". Historians are largely propagandists. They are worse than clueless. Few of them do original research, they are gullible, they are no trained in critical thinking, they don't employ it because they can't.

AmericanKulak says


There are good and bad in every group/org/ethnicity. Bishop Sheen on one hand, and Pope Francis on the other, for example.


It's possible to recognize the Jewish mafia's malfeasance, since they are so fucking incompetent at it and there IS antisemitism. SOME people are eager to point it out. There's always a continual war against the groups, but the problem is that as far as I've found, there are no good groups. We all have a mafia that misinforms us and propagandizes us for their own reasons, and we have the people producing the propaganda for their own purposes.

That's the real world.

The "good groups", if they exist, are disjointed, disorganized, disconnected, and have no centralization. Perhaps that's their strength.
11   AmericanKulak   2022 Oct 19, 2:47am  

arichwicks says


Movies do not depict reality, at all. They are programming.

Made an analogy to a movie. Apocalypse Now has nothing to do with Barbarossa.

richwicks says


Pfft. You have to understand, we never see the real leaders. We see servants.

Banks controlled the USSR as well. They are the ultimate authority.

I don't buy that. Also, a lot of the revisionist rubbish about Weimar being this decadent place is also wrong. Weimar's last governments before Hitler were pretty firmly Conservative, and they secretly trained in Ukraine to get around Versailles. Also, Schleitcher (sp?) whom Hitler assassinated as a rival actually himself assassinated on Weimar orders, informants for the Allies about noncompliance with the Versailles Treaty.

USSR itself was created by the Kaiser's High Command who put Lenin on a sealed diplomatic train with sacks of gold and Marks since the nascent Russian Parliament wasn't ending the war on the Russian Front fast enough. This is/was bragged about by all participants - Soviet Historians and the Kaiser's Officers all bragged about it in official and unofficial papers and writings; double confirmation.

Really, it's Junker-Bolshevism

richwicks says


If you really get into history, you'll realize that most of what is written, is bullshit.

For example, 20 million Russians did not die in WWII. 6 million Jews were not killed in WWII. The Civil War had absolutely nothing to do with slavery. Pearl Harbor wasn't unexpected. There was no Gulf of Tonkin Incident. Iraq wasn't stealing incubators. The bombing of Libya had nothing to do with preventing a humanitarian crisis. The US didn't go to war because "Assad is gassing his own people".

Some history is exaggerated: There were no human lampshades or soap (why would they wash in untermenschen vermin fat, anyway?) More Soviet POWs died than Jews. Most were worked/starved to death or shot, the gassing began when there were resource pinches and the labor began to be less important than the raw material; the first gas trucks were used on suspected Polish Troublemakers, non-Jews but ex-military/ex-politicans (Mostly right wing nationalists) and were CO2 based. Jews were the test group for the Slavs, whom the Germans also considered Untermenschen savages, to be run down to make way for German Colonists West of the Urals.

Pearl Harbor was unexpected; but the main threat was thought to be sabotage, so the planes were lined up in rows to make guarding the base easier against infiltrators. Whereas in the Phillipenes, the USAF was dispersed and staggered against expected air attack; the Japanese carriers were believed to be in the largely empty seas east of the Phillipenes - radar was very short range in those days and trivial for a large carrier force to hide in a place with only a few Catalinas with eyeballs from Atolls looking down at the Pacific.

The Civil War was mostly about slavery, not tariffs. #1 because the South got the lion's share of the tariff revenue in the form of canals, ports, forts, lighthouses. #2 because South Carolina threatened succession previously, but the Constitution is clear that the Federal Congress has the power to levy them, and no other Southern states joined in. Of course the whole thing was unneccessary because the South could have simply converted the slaves to sharecroppers and avoided the whole issue, but I guess it wasn't clear at the time.

Revisionists also twist history for their own purposes, and losers often retcon the real reason things happened to present themselves as the wronged party.

richwicks says


The "good groups", if they exist, are disjointed, disorganized, disconnected, and have no centralization. Perhaps that's their strength.

Not groups, individuals. Some groups are good, at least they start that way, but seldom stay that way. MADD, ADL, etc.
12   richwicks   2022 Oct 19, 3:14am  

AmericanKulak says


I don't buy that. Also, a lot of the revisionist rubbish about Weimar being this decadent place is also wrong. Weimar's last governments before Hitler were pretty firmly Conservative,


Government didn't matter. There are people right now that are selling their children to wealthy people in Sudan because, well, at least maybe they won't starve. That was Germany at one point.

AmericanKulak says


USSR itself was created by the Kaiser's High Command who put Lenin on a sealed diplomatic train with sacks of gold and Marks since the nascent Russian Parliament wasn't ending the war on the Russian Front fast enough. This is/was bragged about by all participants - Soviet Historians and the Kaiser's Officers all bragged about it in official and unofficial papers and writings; double confirmation.


Can't say. I'm actually far more interested in Middle Eastern politics than something as old was WWII. I just know that all wars are about power, and power is wielded by who controls the currency.

AmericanKulak says


Some history is exaggerated: There were no human lampshades or soap (why would they wash in untermenschen vermin fat, anyway?)


This was considered FACT when I was growing up. The only reason it no longer is, is because of DNA testing.

AmericanKulak says


the gassing began when there were resource pinches and the labor began to be less important than the raw materia


No. People who were summarily murdered were killed in most cases because they were considered useless. There were wholesale murders too though, but that was done by machine gun.

AmericanKulak says


non-Jews but ex-military/ex-politicans (Mostly right wing nationalists) and were CO2 based.


What? You mean they didn't use a deadly gas that would require using a hazmat suit in order to handle the body and instead used an easily producible gas? Noooooo....

Cyanide poising was never used. I regard modern day executions to be stupid, just remove the oxygen. It's a painless death, perhaps that's why it's not used in modern executions. An atmosphere of nitrous oxide would be deleterious. Never done whippets?

AmericanKulak says


Pearl Harbor was unexpected;


No, unlikely. The only ships in Pearl Harbor were obsolete and about to be decommissioned. A Japanese spy sub was sunk hours before the attack, it's been found since then.

https://www.historynet.com/takeo-yoshikawa-world-war-ii-japanese-pearl-harbor-spy/

This was sunk PRIOR to the attack. FDR wanted an excuse to enter WWII, it's HIGHLY likely he let it happen. The US had an embargo on Japan, that in itself was an act of war. Not excusing the Japanese, they were total asshole savages.

AmericanKulak says


The Civil War was mostly about slavery, not tariffs.


Think about what you just said? Everybody was a racist twat asshole back them. EVERYBODY was. You think a bunch of farmers in the north would join up in the war to fight for the right of "niggers" back then? It would have been a revolution.

Think about what you're saying. Black people were not equals in the north in 1850, they weren't considered equals until the 1970's, and then by only a portion of the population.

Abraham Lincoln was a dick, he wanted to export all black people to either Liberia or Panama to build the Panama canal. He wanted to abolish slavery, because black people shouldn't be around white people because it could cause miscegenation. He thought black people were subhuman. His only goal was to keep the union together.

If the civil war was over slavery, why were there 5 border states that allowed slavery, on the side of the north? Nobody fighting on the side of the north thought they were doing it to end slavery. Lincoln just wanted to get rid of black people. Why didn't the north abolish slavery before the civil war, at least in the north? It was about economic dominance.

AmericanKulak says


Revisionists also twist history for their own purposes, and losers often retcon the real reason things happened to present themselves as the wronged party.


History is history, but we get vanished and waxed versions of it.

Who bitches and moans about slavery in Libya today? It's there? It's EASY to bitch and moan about slavery in 1850, name one person you know complaining about it in Libya, where it exists today?

People don't have principles.

Here is a more difficult one, do you know anybody complaining about Israel bombing Gaza? They don't have an airforce or a military, just a group of criminals. Here are some IDF soldiers shooting a Palestinian for FUN:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/ZtUoIpoh0BA

Here, stick your neck out and condemn that. Easy to condemn the evils of the past, point out the evils of today.

AmericanKulak says


Not groups, individuals. Some groups are good, at least they start that way, but seldom stay that way. MADD, ADL, etc.


No. People are unprincipled cowards. It's trivial for me to find somebody who will condemn the Iraq War over those non existent weapons of mass destruction, but it's once in a blue moon I find somebody that also opposed the bombing of Syria, Libya, Yemen, OR Somalia. The vast majority of people are drones, they don't think. They are literally unprincipled. They have no set morals, no philosophy. I can find a blue haired fat lesbian screaming about the evils of American slavery in 1850, but I don't think I can find one screaming about the slavery currently in Libya.
13   clambo   2022 Oct 19, 4:24am  

The USA taxpayer defended Germany from a Russian invasion for decades, at a cost of hundreds of billions.
Now Ukraine is fighting the war which we hoped to avoid.
Diplomacy doesn't work with assholes; I learned this at a young age.
Putin is delusional; he dreams of the "former glory" which never existed for Russia; it was just domination of its neighbors and instilling fear in the West.
14   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2022 Oct 19, 5:37am  

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majority Germans want peace and do not view Russia as a threat

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