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California Considers $1,000 Fine for Waiters Offering Unsolicited Plastic Straws


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2018 Jan 25, 10:41am   12,754 views  51 comments

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http://reason.com/blog/2018/01/25/california-bill-would-criminalize-restau

Ian Calderon wants restaurateurs to think long and hard before giving you a straw.

Calderon, the Democratic majority leader in California's lower house, has introduced a bill to stop sit-down restaurants from offering customers straws with their beverages unless they specifically request one. Under Calderon's law, a waiter who serves a drink with an unrequested straw in it would face up to 6 months in jail and a fine of up to $1,000.

"We need to create awareness around the issue of one-time use plastic straws and its detrimental effects on our landfills, waterways, and oceans," Calderon explained in a press release.

This isn't just Calderon's crusade. The California cities of San Luis Obispo and Davis both passed straws-on-request laws last year, and Manhattan Beach maintains a prohibition on all disposable plastics. And up in Seattle, food service businesses won't be allowed to offer plastic straws or utensils as of July.

The Los Angeles Times has gotten behind the movement, endorsing straws-on-request policies in an editorial that also warned that "repetitive sucking may cause or exacerbate wrinkles on the lips or around the mouth." Celebrity astronomer Neil DeGrasse Tyson (always up for a little chiding) and Entourage star Adrian Grenier have appeared in videos where an octopus slaps them in the face for using a plastic straw.

The actual number of straws being used is unclear. Calderon, along with news outlets writing about this issue—from CNN to the San Francisco Chronicle—unfailingly state that Americans use 500 million plastic straws a day, many of them ending up in waterways and oceans. The 500 million figure is often attributed to the National Park Service; it in turn got it from the recycling company Eco-Cycle.

Eco-Cycle is unable to provide any data to back up this number, telling Reason that it was relying on the research of one Milo Cress. Cress—whose Be Straw Free Campaign is hosted on Eco-Cycle's website—tells Reason that he arrived at the 500 million straws a day figure from phone surveys he conducted of straw manufacturers in 2011, when he was just 9 years old.

Cress, who is now 16, says that the National Restaurant Association has endorsed his estimates in private correspondence. This may well be true, but the only references to the 500 million figure on the association's website again points back to the work done by Cress.

More important than how many straws Americans use each day is how many wind up in waterways. We don't know that figure either. The closest we have is the number of straws collected by the California Costal Commission during its annual Coastal Cleanup Day: a total of 835,425 straws and stirrers since 1988, or about 4.1 percent of debris collected.

Squishy moderates on the straw issue have pushed paper straws, which come compostable at only eight times the price. Eco-Cycle skews a bit more radical, with their "Be Straw Free" campaign—sponsored in part by reusable straw makers—that urges the adoption of glass or steel straws. Because we all know how good steel smelting is for the environment.

In any case, criminalizing unsolicited straws seems like a rather heavy-handed approach to the problem, especially since we don't actually know how big a problem it is. But don't take my word for that. Ask Milo Cress.

"If people are forced not to use straws, then they won't necessarily see that it's for the environment," he tells Reason. "They'll just think it's just another inconvenience imposed on them by government."

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27   lostand confused   2018 Jun 25, 6:46am  

The one guy is the elader of the democrat majority in the lwoer house.This leader is proposing jailing people for 6 months for offeringa straw.
28   lostand confused   2018 Jun 25, 5:08pm  

What happens if the straw giver is an illegal-how will a liberal deal with that?
29   RC2006   2018 Jun 25, 5:42pm  

lostand confused says
What happens if the straw giver is an illegal-how will a liberal deal with that?

The same thing when they steal peoples socials, cross border, drive with no license or insurance, use fake ID's, nothing.
30   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Jun 25, 5:49pm  

marcus says
I'm sure one of the reasons the typical
Trumpeter prefers dunkin donuts coffee to starbucks is the styrofoam.


The coffee doesn't taste like it was left on the burner for hours.

That, and for far cheaper, they put the cream and sugar in for you.

And no crap about venti or grande and shit.

AND it doesn't get cold in 15 minutes from shitty burn your fingers to freezing cold paper crap.

Finally, it's a franchise for many families, not just a faceless corporation.
31   HeadSet   2018 Jun 26, 6:55am  

South Korea, their recycling program is mandatory and getting more stringent by the month.

Not a bad idea, and it will happen here. But I would like to add to the program a Bill Clinton style 'Welfare to Work" program where people on the dole are used to sort trash and do related recycling work.
34   Onvacation   2022 Aug 15, 7:02am  

marcus says

Al Gore is heavily invested in the biggest paper straw makers ?

Actually, he invested in the little plastic covers that go over the paper straws. There is no money in paper.
35   Eric Holder   2022 Aug 15, 10:31am  

Looks like In-n-Out has ditched paper straws and is back to dispensing plastic ones. Happened some time over the last month.
36   Ceffer   2022 Aug 15, 10:33am  

I'm so glad Covid fraud absurdity vanquished so many of other petty Orwellian absurdities. I guess there is only so much room for fiat money supported absurdities.
37   FarmersWon   2022 Aug 15, 10:52am  

California bans expensive washing of dirty “French laundry” by politicians.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/18/us/newsom-california-covid-french-laundry.html
38   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Aug 15, 8:13pm  

any of you old enough to remember when straws weren’t a thing that everyone required? was only a fast food drive thru thing
39   Patrick   2022 Aug 15, 8:35pm  

Eric Holder says

Looks like In-n-Out has ditched paper straws and is back to dispensing plastic ones. Happened some time over the last month.


They seem more based than most fast food places.
40   AD   2022 Aug 15, 10:46pm  

zzyzzx says

California Considers $1,000 Fine for Waiters Offering Unsolicited Plastic Straws


And Governor Newsome advertised California living in Florida, albeit those ads were in Miami. LMAO

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41   AD   2022 Aug 15, 10:49pm  

Patrick says








I would just like seeing more recycling of plastic. My Ocean Kayak (scrambler model) is made of recycled plastic. Lots of opportunities to reuse plastic instead of being placed in the landfill. Granted, a landfill could be used for natural gas production but those plastics take a long time to decompose compared to the organic material.

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42   Patrick   2022 Aug 15, 10:55pm  

Plastics are made of carbon, mostly, and if you can burn them at a high enough temperature, you get just CO2, some chlorine salts, and some elements like arsenic and lead.

The key is getting to really high temperatures. You might actually be able to generate power from plastics too.
43   AD   2022 Aug 16, 12:39am  

Patrick says

The key is getting to really high temperatures. You might actually be able to generate power from plastics too.


Yes, as far as if they are used in an incinerator. The county just shut down an incinerator here that use to burn garbage.

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44   richwicks   2022 Aug 16, 12:50am  

Patrick says

The key is getting to really high temperatures. You might actually be able to generate power from plastics too.


They do this.

Provided it's a high enough temperatures, it burns cleanly. This is what is done with most recycled plastic, provided it's not just sent to a landfill and that happens plenty too.

We really shouldn't be using so much plastic. It's stupid, for example, that bottled water is sold in plastic, and not a paper carton like milk is. Actually, bottled water is stupid.
45   Eric Holder   2022 Aug 16, 11:00am  

Plastic going into rivers and oceans is really Asian problem, not Europeand or American. 99.99999% of it gets into the ocean from Asian countries. But since it's easier to look for car keys under the street light than in the dark forest where they were lost, is us who's hammered with stupid bans on this and that. I don't throw anything on the ground, even fucking banana peels, while it's totally socially acceptable to throw all kinds of garbage into rivers in Asia. Or shitting in a plastic bag and trowing it into the bush or onto neighbor's roof in Kenya. But good luck telling them to stop it.
46   Patrick   2022 Aug 16, 9:11pm  

That "Great Pacific Garbage Patch" could actually be worth a lot of money if someone can make a ship that scoops it up, dries it off, and burns it or refines it back into oil.
47   HeadSet   2022 Aug 17, 6:14am  

Patrick says

That "Great Pacific Garbage Patch" could actually be worth a lot of money if someone can make a ship that scoops it up, dries it off, and burns it or refines it back into oil.

More likely that all that low density floating plastic would barely make enough fuel to fill the gas tank of the boat that scooped it up.

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