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richwicks says

The people in the Donbass do. They have twice petitioned Russia to absorb them.

Fake News.

ohomen171 says

#ukraineairforce The Ukraine Air Force got some good news that I want to share with all of you. Slovakia is just about ready to donate 11 Mig-29s to Ukraine. US defense officials have changed their minds and are ready to give US jet fighters and ground attack aircraft to the Ukraine Air Force. They have told Ukraine officials: "Tell us what planes you want and we will work out a deal."
I'm proud that one of our readers is a Ukraine pilot. Denys asked me what plane I would recommend for the Ukraine Air Force. I did not have to think about it long and hard. I told him the A-10 Warthog. For those of you curious, here is an excellent video on this aircraft that has been in service with the U.S. Air Force and Air National Guard units for 50 years:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5us5ce56YHo

The A-10 is the kind of plane that I love. It is easy to fly. It is easy to maintain. It can o...

Our military aircraft are made for various branches of our armed services. They are designed and built to fulfil a task, often to lay down support for one of the other vehicles. They aren't ala carte options, "Hey which ones do you want, and what color would you like it?".

Normally the military leaders on both sides would agree on the specific military goals they are trying to achieve, and will offer up planes accordingly.

For the most part they give out an aging general purpose fighter jets. But that wont do Ukraine much good, because Russia isn't running a sortie operation against Ukraine, they send in infantry and fire missles from Russia.(If you believe that Russia is responsible for every single civilian bombing casualty, which I do NOT!)

A-10 or Apache attack helicopters do seem more appropriate for what Ukraine needs, I don't see how a Hornet will help them. But I'm sure this administration will fuck those choices up to.

A wise articulate and clean black man, once told me...
"Never underestimate Biden's ability to fuck shit up!"

The real problem here is that nobody really wants to live in Russia. Not even Russians. Because it fucking sucks. It always has, and probably always will. If you are a neighboring country, you end up with a bunch of Russians living in your country, then Vlad will want to annex you.

richwicks says

WineHorror1 says

And how much did the US pay XXX for XXX?
How much did THE US offer for XXX?

The Louisiana purchase was 15 million dollars, when gold was $20 an ounce (approximately, it was actually $19.9X something)
Alaska was 7.2 million.

Hawaii was stolen and was illegally forced into the Union.
Parts of California were forcibly taken from Mexico.
The Louisiana purchase really wasn't France's to sell.

That's my point.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

The people in the Donbass do. They have twice petitioned Russia to absorb them.

Fake News.

Whatever. If it's on American television and reported by the US government, and especially the US intelligence agencies, THEN you know you're listening to fake news.


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If it's on television, it's bullshit. This is the level of infantile propaganda we have today. Rachael Maddow is the highest paid "reporter" in the United States today. She's the most popular "news" reporter in the United States.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Donbas&oldid=649659454#Separatism

Getting more difficult to cover up history. Before my generation is dead, it won't be the winners that write the history. They already don't record it.

More shit for the Russians to blow up. Migs are Russian jets with vacuum tubes in their control parts (so they still work through an EMP). Now we have Russians using American weapons and Ukes using Russian weapons. What a lovely carnival of blood.

zzyzzx says

Do you have an example of this happening? Russians are thieves who just want to steal it.

Louisiana purchase comes to mind. There are others in our history where we did not kill people to get a tiny or big swath of land.

This is a classic machismo war that was totally unnecessary. Also, if you build a military you need to use it sometimes. That's really all this is. This could have been handled diplomatically before the first bullet or rocket was fired. It's a proxy war. Didn't need to happen.

WookieMan says

This is a classic machismo war that was totally unnecessary. Also, if you build a military you need to use it sometimes.

I think the problem with the United States is that when all you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail. The US doesn't have any competent diplomats, because it spends a trillion dollars a year on the military. The military is our hammer.

In the 1950's if some nation wanted something the US wanted, diplomacy was used, we'd scratch their back, they would scratch ours - mutual benefit, UNTIL the fucking CIA realized they could just overthrow the government, bribe or blackmail the assholes they installed, and get the same thing. We had a brief period of time of greatness, but perhaps may have been the greatest greatness of any nation ever.

I want us to be competitive, and fair, but extremely competitive.

Mutual benefit, OBVIOUSLY, benefits us all. Don't crush your partner, and your partner won't likely try to crush you. Cooperation is better than elimination. It's just game theory, and we understand game theory, but we don't practice it.

WookieMan says

Also, if you build a military you need to use it sometimes.

Sweden and Switzerland. They never need to use their militaries, even during WWII when all nations around them were at war. The US should copy that practice.

richwicks says

Whatever.

You did not provide any links which you constantly demand from others, and you have been very wrong about that part of world way too many times. Hence, one can not take your statements about E. Europe seriously.

richwicks says

She's the most popular "news" reporter in the United States.

False as well.

https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/here-are-the-top-rated-cable-news-shows-for-may-22/508248/

Tucker Carlson Tonight remains the top cable news show among adults 25-54. In May, the program averaged 522,000 viewers from the demo and 3.23 million total viewers at 8 p.m., the latter of which is No. 2 in cable news.

The Rachel Maddow Show (known as MSNBC Prime Tuesdays-Fridays) was MSNBC’s most-watched show for May (1.95 million viewers at 9 p.m.), No. 8 overall.

Senator Seward bought Alaska from the Russians.
They called it “Seward’s Folly.” With this deal the USA bought Alaska (more than 3 times the size of texas) from Russia for the small sum of $7million.

Don’t tell me land can’t be sold between countries. It’s always just a matter of the currency being gold or blood.

Bd6r says

You did not provide any links which you constantly demand from others

Yes I did, I provided this:


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Our "news media" is complete propaganda, childish propaganda at that. Why do you trust anything from our "authorities"? They are jokes.

Bd6r says

Tucker Carlson Tonight remains the top cable news show among adults 25-54. In May, the program averaged 522,000 viewers from the demo and 3.23 million total viewers at 8 p.m., the latter of which is No. 2 in cable news.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2021/03/30/rachel-maddow-has-most-watched-show-in-first-quarter-cable-news-ratings/?sh=d97457750543

I just don't care about who is the most listened to propagandist. Let's see Tucker Carlson talk openly about the Ukraine conflict. It's called the "propaganda box" for a reason.

If you're on television it's for propaganda purposes, whether you realize it or not.

richwicks says

Yes I did, I provided this:

Maddow is not a credible source as you mention in your rant above, so link with her talking nonsense does not count. Do better, find an original article/news report. Or you can't?

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Yes I did, I provided this:

Maddow is not a credible source as you mention in your rant above

There is nobody allowed on television that isn't a propaganda vector at this point.

It's the propaganda box.

richwicks says

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markjoyella/2021/03/30/rachel-maddow-has-most-watched-show-in-first-quarter-cable-news-ratings/?sh=d97457750543

Yes, lets start bringing up most watched news shows of 1954.

richwicks says

There is nobody allowed on television that isn't a propaganda vector at this point.

It's the propaganda box.

Hence, your link is meaningless in supporting your claim.

Bd6r says

Yes, lets start bringing up most watched news shows of 1954.

That would be interesting. I doubt you can provide it, but it would be fascinating if you could.

richwicks says

That would be interesting. I doubt you can provide it, but it would be fascinating if you could.

I tried to find it and could not.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

There is nobody allowed on television that isn't a propaganda vector at this point.

It's the propaganda box.

Hence, your link is meaningless in supporting your claim.

I'm just pointing out that anything you point to on television is not to believed.

Philo Farnsworth invented the television. He thought his invention would bring education and art to the entire world, but he is reported to have said to his child, when he refused to allow it in his home:

There's nothing on it worthwhile, and we're not going to watch it in this household, and I don't want it in your intellectual diet.

I really have respect for that genius. He was really brilliant.

I expect that Farnsworth would have been disappointed with the Internet, but not entirely. It's just a slow fight, but over time, the right side will win, but it's a very slow fight. It's a real struggle for knowledge.

I didn't predict or expect government propagandists, after all, I live in the United States. I never expected them to be allowed into portals, publishers, like Google, or Facebook. How naive I was. They are a disease of disinformation, they prevent resolution and common goals. They are a cancer.

Provided we can communicate, I think we can find resolution. Government won't allow that. I should have known.


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I'm always kind of surprised I'm not cynical enough and that video is over 40 years old. How can I be so naive at this age?