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Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread


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996   Eric Holder   2022 May 16, 10:51am  

richwicks says
RWSGFY says
Merkel was on Putin's payroll,


Russia wasn't caught tapping Merkel's phone line just to have Merkel do absolutely nothing about it.

Obama was.


Another rambling answer having nothing to do with the original post. BTW, this is the classic Russian response to any criticism directed at Mother Russia: "At least we aren't lynching Niggers!"

As they said in the famous Domino's Pizza ad: "Dog, dog! So predictable!"
997   mostly reader   2022 May 16, 10:54am  

richwicks says
Russia wasn't caught tapping Merkel's phone line just to have Merkel do absolutely nothing about it.
But of course! Why tap the phone of someone who's already on your payroll?

You tap the phone of someone who is NOT on your payroll. Russia, for example, bugged Nuland's phone. See how that works?
998   Eric Holder   2022 May 16, 10:55am  

Growing Evidence of Military Disaster on the Donets River Pierces Pro-Russian Bubble






The destruction wreaked on a Russian battalion as it tried to cross a river in northeastern Ukraine last week is emerging as among the deadliest engagements of the war, with estimates based on publicly available evidence now suggesting that well over 400 Russian soldiers were killed or wounded.

And as the scale of what happened comes into sharper focus, the disaster appears to be breaking through the Kremlin’s tightly controlled information bubble.

Perhaps most striking, the Russian battlefield failure is resonating with a stable of pro-Russian war bloggers — some of whom are embedded with troops on the front line — who have reliably posted to the social network Telegram with claims of Russian success and Ukrainian cowardice.

“The commentary by these widely read milbloggers may fuel burgeoning doubts in Russia about Russia’s prospects in this war and the competence of Russia’s military leaders,” the Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based research body, wrote this past weekend.

On Wednesday, the Russian command reportedly sent about 550 troops of the 74th Motorized Rifle Brigade of the 41st Combined Arms Army to cross the Donets River at Bilohorivka, in the eastern Luhansk region, in a bid to encircle Ukrainian forces near Rubizhne.

Satellite images reveal that Ukrainian artillery destroyed several Russian pontoon bridges and laid waste to a tight concentration of Russian troops and equipment around the river.

The Institute for the Study of War, citing analyses based on the publicly available imagery, indicated that there could have been as many as 485 Russian soldiers killed or wounded and more than 80 pieces of equipment destroyed.

As the news of the losses at the river crossing in Bilohorivka started to spread, some Russian bloggers did not appear to hold back their criticism of what they said was incompetent leadership.

“I’ve been keeping quiet for a long time,” Yuri Podolyaka, a war blogger with 2.1 million followers on Telegram, said in a video posted Friday, saying he had avoided criticizing the Russian military until now.

“The last straw that overwhelmed my patience was the events around Bilohorivka, where due to stupidity — I emphasize, because of the stupidity of the Russian command — at least one battalion tactical group was burned, possibly two.”

Podolyaka ridiculed the Kremlin line that the war is going “according to plan.” He told his viewers in a five-minute video that, in fact, the Russian army was short of functional unmanned drones, night-vision equipment and other kit “that is catastrophically lacking on the front.”

“Yes, I understand that it’s impossible for there to be no problems in war,” he said. “But when the same problems go on for three months, and nothing seems to be changing, then I personally and in fact millions of citizens of the Russian Federation start to have questions for these leaders of the military operation.

Another popular blogger, who goes by Starshe Eddy on Telegram, wrote that the fact that commanders left so much of their force exposed amounted to “not idiocy, but direct sabotage.”

And a third, Vladlen Tatarski, posted that Russia’s eastern offensive was moving slowly not just because of a lack of surveillance drones but also “these generals” and their tactics.

“Until we get the last name of the military genius who laid down a BTG by the river and he answers for it publicly, we won’t have had any military reforms,” Tatarski wrote.

...



https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Growing-Evidence-of-Military-Disaster-on-the-17174532.php
999   Ceffer   2022 May 16, 2:50pm  

Yes, it's a grinding war of attrition with casualties on both sides, but not one the Russians are 'losing':

"The Art of Disinformation–Western Lies About the War in Ukraine"
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/art-disinformation-western-lies-war-ukraine/
"If Russia was losing or completely stuck in Ukraine, one would expect that Sergei Shoigu would be the guy calling Austin and begging for mercy. Well, that is not what happened. Nope. It was Austin that placed the call, apparently unconcerned about his recent public call to weaken Russia."
1000   Eric Holder   2022 May 16, 3:37pm  

Brave liberators liberated some seeds from the Nazis:

The occupiers completely destroyed the only plant genetic bank in Ukraine in Kharkiv

The Russian occupiers destroyed the only plant genetic bank in Ukraine in Kharkiv, which stored more than 160,000 plant varieties and hybrids from around the world. This was announced by Doctor of Agricultural Sciences, a leading researcher at the V. Yuriev Institute of Plant Breeding Serhiy Avramenko, Ukrinform reports.

The seeds were already being prepared for sowing, and since March the staff had been sowing the collection. including varieties that are hundreds of years old, old ones that we will not be able to restore. There was hell here, aluminum melted. Everything burned down, "Avramenko said.

According to the scientist, there was no military or territorial defense in the building where the plant bank was kept, and the Russians knew well where they were shooting.

"This is a purely scientific institution that was deliberately destroyed, targeted in the very place where the bank of plant genetic resources was stored," Avramenko said.

He stressed that the bank of plants survived even during the German occupation, but could not avoid the devastating blows of the Russian army.

"I am sad to say that in the days of Hitler's Germany, when all of Ukraine was under occupation, the Germans did not destroy this collection, but instead tried to preserve something, to hide it, because they knew their descendants would need it. It is a matter of food security "Breeders from all over the world, all countries, including Russia, ordered and received samples from this gene pool to create their own varieties adapted to the area," said the scientist.
1001   RWSGFY   2022 May 16, 3:40pm  

Eric Holder says

Brave liberators liberated some seeds from the Nazis:

The occupiers completely destroyed the only plant genetic bank in Ukraine in Kharkiv

The Russian occupiers destroyed the only plant genetic bank in Ukraine in Kharkiv, which stored more than 160,000 plant varieties and hybrids from around the world. This was announced by Doctor of Agricultural Sciences, a leading researcher at the V. Yuriev Institute of Plant Breeding Serhiy Avramenko, Ukrinform reports.

The seeds were already being prepared for sowing, and since March the staff had been sowing the collection. including varieties that are hundreds of years old, old ones that we will not be able to restore. There was hell here, aluminum melted. Everything burned down, "Avramenko said.

According to the scientist, there was no military or territorial defense in the building where the plant bank was kept, and the Russians knew well where they were shooting.

"This is a purely...


IT WAS A BIOWEAPONS LAB!!!!
1003   Ceffer   2022 May 16, 10:44pm  

"OVER 300 MILITANTS HAVE SURRENDERED AND ARE LEAVING AZOVSTAL IN BUSES!
The surrenders will continue tomorrow at 4am local time. It is expected that many more will surrender. They are being taken to Novoazovsk in DPR territory, 30km east of Mariupol and right on the Russian border.
The Azov Regiment has written on TG that they are "implementing the decision of the Supreme Military Command" in order to save lives.
Russian sources say 300 have left Azovstal tonight while the remaining 2000 will lay down their weapons tomorrow.
That will bring the total of captured/surrendered Ukrainians up to 6,500+"
https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=199522


This could be fake news. They have claimed American high officers before in Azovstal and it turned out to be false.
1004   Patrick   2022 May 16, 10:59pm  

https://thepostmillennial.com/msnbc-military-analyst-posts-video-game-clip-claiming-its-ukraine-war-footage/


May 16, 2022 7:30 PM EST
MSNBC 'military analyst' posts video game clip claiming it's Ukraine war footage
Retired Four Star General Barry McCaffrey who now serves as a "military analyst" for MSNBC tweeted out footage of fighting in Ukraine that was actually a clip from a video game.
1005   Patrick   2022 May 16, 11:05pm  

















My point is that the sanctions on Russia are just about the stupidest move ever made by any government in history, ever.

They are ineffective, perhaps actually benefitting Russia.

And they have undermined the faith any country can have in holding US dollars or holding their assets in any institution controlled by America.

Lose-lose.

But that's Brandon for ya.
1006   RWSGFY   2022 May 17, 4:39pm  

The only sane retired colonel left in Russia strikes again:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbcstever/status/1526329765065539592
1007   RWSGFY   2022 May 17, 4:44pm  

Patrick says

















My point is that the sanctions on Russia are just about the stupidest move ever made by any government in history, ever.

They are ineffective, perhaps actually benefitting Russia.

And they have undermined the faith any country can have in holding US dollars or holding their assets in any institution controlled by America.

Lose-lose.

But that's Brandon for ya.


I repeat again: the exchange rate you're quoting is meaningless as Rubble is not a freely convertable currency anymore.

You can't buy USD for tge price in Rubbles quoted above.

I triple dog dare Gonzalo Lira (THE ONLY ONE I TRUST!) to go to Russia and film himself buying USD in one of these street exchange windows for the above quoted price instead of silly things he's doing now like pretending he's killed by SBU while pretending he's in Kharkiv while being in Lviv.
1008   Bd6r   2022 May 17, 5:04pm  

Patrick says
Yes, definitely more than Russia.


T'is is not Ukrainian army:

https://www.warchechnya.ru/publ/foto_s_chechenskoj_vojny/foto_s_chechenskoj_vojny/1-1-0-40

Russians have been orders of magnitude more brutal than Ukrainians, killing about 20% of population of Chechnya.. About corruption, I am not sure who is worse.
1009   Tenpoundbass   2022 May 17, 5:15pm  

Patrick says


I just imagine her and Ben drinking morning coffee both working on their latest panel. She's come a long way from her long droopy styling of drawing. Either Ben is doing her human expression and caricature detail, or he's doing one hell of a job mentoring her. But she always great takes in her cartoons, definitely fits the grrrrraphics.com family.
1010   richwicks   2022 May 17, 5:19pm  

Eric Holder says
richwicks says
RWSGFY says
Merkel was on Putin's payroll,


Russia wasn't caught tapping Merkel's phone line just to have Merkel do absolutely nothing about it.

Obama was.


Another rambling answer having nothing to do with the original post.


It demonstrates that Merkel is on the US' payroll. That's why she allows her phone to be wiretapped by the US intelligence agencies.

Merkel isn't Russia's puppet, she's the puppet of the United States.
1011   richwicks   2022 May 17, 5:22pm  

Bd6r says

Patrick says
Yes, definitely more than Russia.


T'is is not Ukrainian army:

https://www.warchechnya.ru/publ/foto_s_chechenskoj_vojny/foto_s_chechenskoj_vojny/1-1-0-40

Russians have been orders of magnitude more brutal than Ukrainians, killing about 20% of population of Chechnya.. About corruption, I am not sure who is worse.


Here, I'll help with an English translation.

https://www-warchechnya-ru.translate.goog/publ/foto_s_chechenskoj_vojny/foto_s_chechenskoj_vojny/1-1-0-40?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp

People should read it, especially the all important comments from actual people, not propagandists.
1012   Eric Holder   2022 May 17, 6:27pm  

richwicks says

It demonstrates that Merkel is on the US' payroll.


No it doesn't. She always acted at odds with the US and in alignment with Putin. Among other things, she vehemently opposed Trump's ideas of NATO countries spending their agreed 2% of GDP on military and importing US natgas instead of Russian. She vehemently opposed inclusion of Georgia and Ukraine into NATO in 2008 while US was for it.

So no US payroll for her.
1014   AmericanKulak   2022 May 17, 7:33pm  

socal2 says

Merkel's predecessor Gerhard Schroeder is on Russian payroll.

https://www.politico.eu/article/outrage-germany-ex-chancellor-schroder-gazprom-board-nomination/


What I'd say, long ago?

Puts the whole "Poland must take Rapefugees" thing in a different light, now that I think about it.

"The Russians spent money (six figures) during the (2016) election!" Yeah, pushing weak Bernie and BLM.
1017   Ceffer   2022 May 18, 10:17am  

"Update for Russian military operations in Ukraine for May 17, 2022:

1. Russia continues to make slow and steady progress in Donbas, the primary area of Russia’s focus;
2. Additional Russian salients and encirclements take shape within the much largers Izyum, Lyman, Severodonetsk, Papasnya cauldron area;
3. Ukrainian “offensive” northeast of Kharkov appears to have been a costly photo-op and little more;
4. Ukrainian militants hiding in the Azovstal industrial complex begin to surrender dealing a mostly political blow to Ukraine;
5. Ukrainian militants had long since been out of the fight (since mid to late-April);
6. Pentagon claims most M777 howitzers are already on the front in Kharkov and Donbas;
7. US M777s have yet to make any discernible difference on the battlefield;
8. Pentagon admits Russia still has the majority of its combat power prepared against Ukraine available to it;"
https://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=199626
1018   richwicks   2022 May 18, 10:41am  

Eric Holder says
richwicks says

It demonstrates that Merkel is on the US' payroll.


No it doesn't. She always acted at odds with the US and in alignment with Putin.


How did she act at odds?

Merkel is the US' bitch, whore.

The left never had a problem with Russia so long as it was communist, but they have a HUGE problem with Russia now. Think Obozo was anti-communist? Read Dreams of My Father.

If Germany was smart and had a leader that was working in the interests of the German people, they would be the endpoint of the Nordstream II and many other pipelines, and they would be the gateway for Europe's natural gas and oil. They'd make an alliance with Russia, and then stop propping up the Euro.

Same with the United States - they should dump their alliance with Europe and join up with Russia. I mean fuck Europe - they are killing themselves anyhow with immigrants. If the US got into bed with Russia, there would be no need to control the Middle East's energy resources. That's what this whole stupid fucking conflict is about.
1019   AmericanKulak   2022 May 18, 12:04pm  

Hugh_Mongous says
6. Pentagon claims most M777 howitzers are already on the front in Kharkov and Donbas;


That's being aimed at the Swedish Feminist Party, right?
1020   Eric Holder   2022 May 18, 12:05pm  

richwicks says
Eric Holder says
richwicks says

It demonstrates that Merkel is on the US' payroll.


No it doesn't. She always acted at odds with the US and in alignment with Putin.


How did she act at odds?


It was literally explained in the part you cut off.
1021   Eric Holder   2022 May 18, 12:06pm  

Welt: European Parliament to propose sanctions against former German Chancellor, Austrian ex-Foreign Minister.

The members of the European Parliament want to call on the 27 EU states to include Germany’s Gerhard Schröder and Austria’s Karin Kneissl on the sanctions list.
1023   Bd6r   2022 May 18, 5:12pm  

Eric Holder says
Welt: European Parliament to propose sanctions

European Parliament is the least useful institution in visible universe. They have only "advisory powers" and exist to pay off semi-retired politicians and produce mirage of democracy.
1025   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 May 18, 6:36pm  

Patrick says




most corporations with ukraine flag logos are full of shit. next month, i bet you money, theyll rainbow gay logos moving on to gay shit. those people are full of shit.
1026   AmericanKulak   2022 May 19, 12:50am  

Real or staged? Old lady led away for "collaboration" with the Russians by heavily armed men.

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1527103282241576960?s=20&t=9isugiHZanzh_hcsj5QTlw
1027   AmericanKulak   2022 May 19, 12:53am  

Bd6r says
European Parliament is the least useful institution in visible universe. They have only "advisory powers" and exist to pay off semi-retired politicians and produce mirage of democracy.



Yep, whenever you see "EU Parliament" it's really "Council of Europe" or whatever the more closed door grouping is. The EU Parliament has no law making powers, they can only vote up or down on whatever the EU bigwigs send down to them, and can't amend or repeal either. Just yes or no.

The EU bigwigs just keep sending the same bills down until it passes.
1028   Ceffer   2022 May 19, 1:33am  

They're wising up to the cannon fodder scam and realizing they have been propagandized into committing suicide. They need to shoot the nearest Azov and surrender.
https://t.me/greatreject/36122
1030   Patrick   2022 May 19, 8:46am  

https://gettr.com/post/p1acfxffbdd


rwmalonemd
@rwmalonemd
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French former Marine returns from Ukraine shocked

French ex-soldier Adrien Bocquet spent three weeks in Ukraine and what he saw there will be etched on his mind forever, he said. Once back home he was dismayed to learn that the media keep inviting "experts" who have not been to Ukraine and have no idea what is going on there.

Speaking to French radio station Sud Radio, Adrien Bocquet said he had witnessed “a lot of war crimes“. All those war crimes were committed by Ukrainian soldiers and not by Russian soldiers, he pointed out. Bocquet is therefore enormously alarmed that Europe is sending weapons to Ukrainian neo-Nazis. They wear all kinds of Nazi symbols on their uniforms. They do not hide these symbols. What is more, they boast about them, he said.
1033   richwicks   2022 May 19, 2:27pm  

RWSGFY says




Who is Illia Ponomaren? Some CIA asshole?

Oh I see this: - yeah, that's a propagandist. It's not a person, it's either subhuman or a computer program.

Anything with is known to be bullshit. Stop pushing bullshit.
1034   Eric Holder   2022 May 19, 2:46pm  

richwicks says

RWSGFY says




Who is Illia Ponomaren? Some CIA asshole?

Oh I see this: - yeah, that's a propagandist. It's not a person, it's either subhuman or a computer program.

Anything with is known to be bullshit. Stop pushing bullshit.


Pour some ice water on your crotch - no need to be THAT exited: the guy simply conveyed what Russian ambassador said. Is Russian ambassador a propagandist? Most probably, but he's the kind your kind likes, so let's give him a pass. Anyway, he literally used the word "surrender". Here's the full sentence he used it in (I know you like googling "10 words" but he used only 8, sorryaboutthat): "We will never surrender, and never go back.”

PS. LOL:

1035   Patrick   2022 May 19, 9:47pm  

https://markcrispinmiller.substack.com/p/bush-confuses-ukraine-with-iraq-putin


Former U.S. President George W. Bush: "The decision of one man to launch a wholly unjustified and brutal invasion of Iraq. I mean, of the Ukraine"

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