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Why the Left can't meme


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2020 May 3, 7:18pm   6,147 views  97 comments

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Not a bad explanation, but I think it boils down to:

Humorless Prigs have a hard time being funny, and virtue signaling requires a long drawn out explanation of who is oppressed and who isn't that precludes humor

The only pithy leftist "memes" are basically unfunny insults, like OrangeManBad Ugly, or Conservatives are dumb.

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76   socal2   2020 May 5, 1:37pm  

richwicks says
It very well may be - so what? My nation isn't sending billions of dollars a year to keep those bigots going.


We have spent billions on Egypt, Jordan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, UN and lots of other bigots around the world.

Why do you only single out Israel?
77   richwicks   2020 May 5, 1:45pm  

socal2 says
It very well may be - so what? My nation isn't sending billions of dollars a year to keep those bigots going.


We have spent billions on Egypt, Jordan, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, UN and lots of other bigots around the world.


Yeah, stop fucking doing that.

socal2 says
Why do you only single out Israel?


I don't - but Israel is the most expensive one and Egypt doesn't have refugee camps, Jordan doesn't have refugee camps, Pakistan doesn't have refugee camps, Saudi Arabia (a very despicable nation of tyrants) doesn't have refugee camps, Afghanistan doesn't have refugee camps, Syria doesn't have refugee camps.

Israel does.

They have a population with absolutely NO REPRESENTATION, they aren't a democracy or a republic in any way. The Palestinian refugee population's laws are written by the Israelis, not the PLO not Hamas. They have Dhimmi status, less than that.
78   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 May 5, 1:50pm  

richwicks says
These are foreigners imposing rules upon a people that isn't part of their nation. The people of the area had no say in it. They had no representation at all.


They had no say when the Turks ruled it from Ankara/Istanbul, or when the British ruled it from London, in the past 5 centuries before. Or when they were ruled by the Caliph in Damascus, Cairo, or Baghdad the 7 centuries before that.

They were invited to stay, and those who stayed have full citizenship with voting rights. Occasionally, when authorities try to restrict the traffic of an Arab Israeli thinking they are a Paleban with fake docs, they sue and win big bucks in court from the Israeli Government.

richwicks says
The Palestinians aren't part of that state.


The Israeli Government uses a mixture of Turkish and British civil laws for the most part; the same laws in effect over the past 5 centuries.

richwicks says

Right, the United States shouldn't have propped him up, should they?

The killed him later, in December 30, 2006.


The US used Saddam as a foil against the Iranians. Take a look at Saddam-era Iraq's weapon and industrial systems and tell me which two countries were his primary sources before the Iraq War.

richwicks says

It very well may be - so what? My nation isn't sending billions of dollars a year to keep those bigots going. They are sending billions of dollars to Israel to keep those bigots going.


Yet, you don't have the same level of vitriol over aid to Afghanistan and Egypt, or, before Trump, to shitty, bigoted, aggressive, terror supporting Pakistan.

richwicks says
I don't - but Israel is the most expensive one and Egypt doesn't have refugee camps, Jordan doesn't have refugee camps, Pakistan doesn't have refugee camps, Saudi Arabia (a very despicable nation of tyrants) doesn't have refugee camps, Afghanistan doesn't have refugee camps, Syria doesn't have refugee camps.


All of those have refugee camps. Syria, in particular, has refugee camps where after 3 generations, they still haven't extended citizenship.

richwicks says
They have a population with absolutely NO REPRESENTATION, they aren't a democracy or a republic in any way. The Palestinian refugee population's laws are written by the Israelis, not the PLO not Hamas. They have Dhimmi status, less than that.


Wrong, 20% of the Knesset is Arab. Guess what the population of Israel is Arab? 20%. Those are the Arabs that cooperated with Israel and didn't take up arms against Israel when the British left and Arab states invaded. Anti-Israeli types that depend on Mondoweiss and 973 and MintPress (Iran) News don't get this.

Want representation? Don't be a rebel.

Many groups are denied voting until "reconstruction". Unfortunately, Arab bigots are not amenable to reconciliation.
79   richwicks   2020 May 5, 1:52pm  

NoCoupForYou says
The reason Israel doesn't do this is that they intend to draw their borders all over the West Bank and beyond. They are an aggressive, expansionist state. They will move into Syria, Egypt, and Jordan in time. Eventually, like all states, they will will collapse.


Exact opposite. And I can prove it.


Watch it happen.

Of course it is!NoCoupForYou says
richwicks says
There's no evil in being white, there is however evil in being a bigot, being a murderer, being a thief. That's not limited to white people, all creeds and colors exhibit these evils. I object when a nation makes it national policy.


Is Israel larger today or smaller today than it was in 1973?


Yes. It is. The West Bank, it's almost entirely controlled by Israel today. That wasn't true in 1973. It wasn't even true in 1993.
80   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 May 5, 1:58pm  

richwicks says
Watch it happen.

It already did, 40 years ago.

richwicks says
Yes. It is. The West Bank, it's almost entirely controlled by Israel today. That wasn't true in 1973. It wasn't even true in 1993.

Nope, the West Bank is Israeli, and against my preference they are giving it to a fake people. Before that it was taken over by Jordan to no complaints from any Arab, including the Arabstinians. After all, it's only the "West Bank" if you're standing in Amman.

You're forgetting a huge piece of territory that was surrendered - in return for a peace treaty.

Not surprised you don't mention it, since I doubt your favorite sources ever do, as it's a huge counterfactual that basically destroys the "ever expanding belligerent Israel" narrative utterly.
81   richwicks   2020 May 5, 2:03pm  

NoCoupForYou says
richwicks says
Watch it happen.

It already did.


I'm well aware of this. You were denying it in this message

NoCoupForYou says
Yes. It is. The West Bank, it's almost entirely controlled by Israel today. That wasn't true in 1973. It wasn't even true in 1993.


You're forgetting a huge piece of territory that was surrendered - in return for a peace treaty.

Not surprised you don't mention it, since I doubt your favorite sources ever do, as it's a huge counterfactual that basically destroys the "ever expanding belligerent Israel" narrative utterly.


Israel will take it back. Watch.

I think it's funny you trust a country whose military's motto is "through deception, we make war".

I entirely ignore their statements, and just watch what they do. They'll take over Gaza at some point, and drive the people into Egypt just as they are taking over the West Bank who currently offers them no resistance, into Jordan and shrinking parcels of land.

They don't want peace, they want land, cheap land they can develop.
82   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 May 5, 2:11pm  

richwicks says
I'm well aware of this. You were denying it in this message


I wasn't denying it - you have no clue what territory I'm talking about.

richwicks says
I entirely ignore their statements, and just watch what they do. They'll take over Gaza at some point, and drive the people into Egypt just as they are taking over the West Bank who currently offers them no resistance, into Jordan and shrinking parcels of land.


You still have no idea what I'm talking about. I'll tell you later if you don't get it.
83   richwicks   2020 May 5, 2:19pm  

NoCoupForYou says
I'm well aware of this. You were denying it in this message


I wasn't denying it - you have no clue what territory I'm talking about.


Then tell me, because I was talking about the West Bank which they have all but taken over since 1973.

NoCoupForYou says
I entirely ignore their statements, and just watch what they do. They'll take over Gaza at some point, and drive the people into Egypt just as they are taking over the West Bank who currently offers them no resistance, into Jordan and shrinking parcels of land.


You still have no idea what I'm talking about. I'll tell you later if you don't get it.


Strange how you can't explain what you're talking about.

Gaza is a shithole that Israel tried to pass off on Egypt in the late 1960's. They didn't give anything up by getting rid of it. The United States paid the illegal settlers to move, to the West Bank. Israel didn't spend a dime on that.

Why is the United States involved?

And I guarantee, Israel will take it back. It was a fake "concession".
84   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 May 5, 2:35pm  

richwicks says

Then tell me, because I was talking about the West Bank which they have all but taken over since 1973.




By Spring of 1982, the Israelis withdrew from the Sinai, itself much larger than than all Israel, in return for a Peace Treaty with Egypt.

In Winter 1967, after the Six Day War, Israel wanted to return Sinai AND the Golan to Egypt and Syria, respectively.

The Egyptians and Syrians gave the famous "Three No's" answer:

On September 1, 1967, the Arab League summit delivered the "Three No's" - no to peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, and no negotiations with Israel. This declaration was passed as part of the Khartoum resolution, at a summit attended by eight Arab heads of state in the shadow of the Six-Day War, which saw Israel's speedy defeat of Egypt, Jordan and Syria. The conclusion of the war brought with it Israel's occupation of the Sinai Peninsula, the West Bank and the Golan Heights.

https://www.jpost.com/features/in-thespotlight/this-week-in-history-the-arab-leagues-three-nos


This hugeass area, larger than Israel itself, was returned to Egypt. A small piece of the Golan was also returned to Syria as a mark of goodwill, but that was promptly returned with funding of Hezbollah terrorism over the Lebanon border, and artillery strikes by the House of Assad from the returned piece of Golan.

Little known fact: Gaza was also supposed to return to Egyptian control, but Egypt refused it - better to antagonize Israel with stateless rebels, than have to take responsibility for the attacks itself.

To this day, the Egyptian-Gaza border is manned 24-7 by hundreds of automatic rifle armed Egyptian soliders and a big ass concrete wall that nobody talks about. It is closed almost year-round. Egyptian Navy and Army routinely sinks Palestinian boats that intrude into Egyptian waters, civilian fisherman and smugglers alike without warning or discrimination. First, because Palestinians were smuggling drugs, but today because Hamas is smuggling guns and RPGs to Al Qaeda in the Sinai to attack the the Egyptian government with.

I'm in favor of Israel declaring Hamas the Government of the State of Gaza, so the next time a rocket attack happens - probably within hours of such an announcement, Israel can freely regard it as a belligerent, unprovoked attack by a sovereign state and has no obligation to allow aid in.

So much for the ever-expanding nonsense.
85   richwicks   2020 May 5, 2:47pm  

NoCoupForYou says

Then tell me, because I was talking about the West Bank which they have all but taken over since 1973.





Jesus.

Where is the West Bank? This is the land that Israel controlled in 1947:


And just so we're clear, here's the link to that:

https://www.ijs.org.au/partition-resolution-1947/

That was UN Resolution 181, what the NEWLY FORMED JUST CREATED state of Israel controlled.

Whenever I discuss fucking Israel I get a shitload of propaganda relentlessly shoved up my asshole. Bunch of twats that either don't know history of just lie about it and I'm dealing with some jerkoff that either has absolutely no idea what they are talking about puking out evangelical bullshit propaganda or some fucking propagandist that knows what they are lying about. It's tiresome.

Yes, let's fucking pretend Israel is shrinking. Yes, let's just fucking lie. Settlements are getting smaller, not expanding.

You do realize that the use of a military to take over Lebensraum is banned by the Geneva Conventions because Nazi Germany did it? Right? I'm descended by Polish Immigrants, the plan, the WRITTEN plan was to first enslave the Polish, then exterminate them, then bring the Germans in.

I find it fucking hilariously ironic that Israel is attempting to do the same fucking thing.
86   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 May 5, 3:01pm  

Did you still miss the Sinai?

Holy shit.

It's a fact, not propaganda, that Israel returned an area larger than itself in return for a peace treaty with just ONE Arab Nation.

This utterly nullifies any claim that Israel is "Continually Expanding".

Only a militant ignorant can continue to insist on an expanding Israel.

The Settlements have actual proof of ownership where Jews were expelled by Jordan during that country's unilateral annexation of the West Bank. The settlements 100x over would not be anywhere near the size of the Sinai alone.

richwicks says
Where is the West Bank? This is the land that Israel controlled in 1947:

This plan was never approved by the Arabs. They rejected ANY area for Jews and immediately attacked.
87   Onvacation   2020 May 5, 3:01pm  

richwicks says



Israel has shrunk. The victors write the history and draw the maps.








88   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 May 5, 3:08pm  

Expanding Israel:



And bus stop rammings and random knife attacks.
89   Patrick   2020 May 5, 9:31pm  

richwicks says
What does your father think of the situation?


My father was Irish, and died in 2008, so it's hard to ask him.
90   mostly_reader   2020 May 6, 1:10am  

richwicks says
mostly_reader says
> richwicks

There are exactly two things that matter most about this conflict:

1) If Arab states lay down their arms, there is no conflict
2) If Israel lays down her arms, there is no Israel

It's as simple as that.


Oh what utter crap.

When is the last time the West Bank attacked Israel? 25 years ago maybe?

Then why do Israeli settlements in the West Bank continue to expand then?

Because Israel is going to exterminate them, slowly, but they will.

And do you know how many times I've seen what you just wrote, repeated, to me, verbatim? You're repeating propaganda to me, not a thought. If you want to talk about this issue, think, don't just repeat propaganda. It's not a land without a people for a people without a land. The entire nation was built on lies and propaganda.
Which of the two points that I stated do you dispute?

Do you claim that if Arab states lay down arms there will still be conflict, and submit settlements in the West Bank as proof?

Then you are either ignorant or intentionally misleading. Are you aware of the events of 1967, and how Jordan lost control of that land? How did that land become "subject to settlements"? Do you know what fedayeen made of it, until Israel got it under control? Do you know what King Hussein did with Palestinians who moved to Jordan, and why? This last point is relevant because it shows: fedayeen wreak havoc in any place where they find home. It later happened in Libya, which is no longer "Middle East Switzerland" and which may regret that they did not have their own King Hussein. When was the last time the West Bank attacked Israel, you ask? Here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel#West_Bank It's one google search away, you are welcome. Also, google "terror attacks Jerusalim". "Settlements in West Bank" is as weak of an argument as they get.

Or do you claim that it proves that if Israel lays down her arms she'll be just fine? Then you are delusional, plain and simple.

That statement is both accurate and damning to your point of view. You'd need to try a lot harder than dismiss it by calling a name. So far, you've submitted hissy fit in lieu of arguments.
91   richwicks   2020 May 22, 3:25am  

mostly_reader says
Do you claim that if Arab states lay down arms there will still be conflict, and submit settlements in the West Bank as proof?


I claim that the West Bank HAS laid down its arms 25 years ago, and they will slowly be driven our, or exterminated as a result, possibly a combination of both.

The West Bank is going to be annexed shortly. I give it about 5-10 years. The Palestinians in the West Bank, they are fucked.
92   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 May 22, 7:16am  

richwicks says
I claim that the West Bank HAS laid down its arms 25 years ago, and they will slowly be driven our, or exterminated as a result, possibly a combination of both.


If it's laying down it's arms, why does it continue to pay the families of terrorists who have committed attacks since then with PayToSlay? From it's International Aid Money, no less.

richwicks says
The West Bank is going to be annexed shortly. I give it about 5-10 years. The Palestinians in the West Bank, they are fucked.


Yeah, they'll get without moving what all the Levantine Arabs want to do by claiming Rapefugee status - get into a high HDI country.

The solution is easily resolved - just treat Palestinians like all other Refugees, not the special inherited nobility refugees, where their parents, grandparents, and their children - are all considered Refugees despite having multiple citizenships and properties all over the world. Like Linda Sarsour, who is born in Brooklyn, to parents born in Jordan, and kids born in NYS, who own multiple properties in the US & Abroad - yet all are "Refugees".

All the Palestinians in Jordan, Lebanon (where the PLO caused the Civil War that resulted in the flight of Christians as to lose their plurality), US, UK will be correctly considered non-Refugees, because they aren't.

That being said, West Bank Palestinians should be forced out the next time there is a major world crisis and attention is elsewhere. Jordan is 75% of the Mandate of Palestine, that's their homeland. Gaza should be declared an independent country - and if any Gaza rockets should be launched at Israel, that's an attack by a sovereign state and an Act of War.
93   richwicks   2020 May 22, 12:41pm  

NoCoupForYou says
I claim that the West Bank HAS laid down its arms 25 years ago, and they will slowly be driven our, or exterminated as a result, possibly a combination of both.


If it's laying down it's arms, why does it continue to pay the families of terrorists who have committed attacks since then with PayToSlay? From it's International Aid Money, no less.


I don't know! Why did Trump collude with the Russians? Why did Iranians place limpet mines on oil ships, including a japanese tanker when Shinzo Abe was in Iran visiting to make a trade deal? Why did Assad keep gassing his own people? Why did Qaddafi threaten to cause a humanitarian crisis in Libya? How come Saddam Hussein had a weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq? Why did Ukraine have a revolution? Why did Iraqi soldiers invade Kuwait, to remove babies from incubators, to place them on the floor to die? Why did the Gulf of Tonkin Incident happen?

Gee whiz, I just don't know. Sometimes I suspect that the media might be lying to me, but how crazy and silly would THAT be!?!

Think it's possible you might be repeating propaganda?

NoCoupForYou says
The West Bank is going to be annexed shortly. I give it about 5-10 years. The Palestinians in the West Bank, they are fucked.


Yeah, they'll get without moving what all the Levantine Arabs want to do by claiming Rapefugee status - get into a high HDI country.

The solution is easily resolved - just treat Palestinians like all other Refugees,


They're already not considered human. They NEVER were considered human, not in 1947 and not today, at least by the Zionist supremacists.

As I said, the Palestinians will be wiped out and nobody will stop it, and it will happen slowly. It's on a clear, obvious 70 year trajectory now.
95   AmericanKulak   2021 Nov 28, 7:16am  

FuckCCP89 says


Put out by the Biden DOT, LOL.

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