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Does anyone have a family member that supports vax mandates?


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2021 Sep 25, 11:11am   847 views  28 comments

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I told everyone in my family that if they support vax mandates, we are no longer family. I told them to never have anything to do with me again. Don't call, don't visit. I included my parents in that message.

How about you?

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8   Patrick   2021 Sep 25, 11:57am  

There are reports that the immune suppression from getting the vaxx is leading to cancers.
9   PeopleUnited   2021 Sep 25, 12:16pm  

The health care workers and school teachers are indoctrinated into the Covidianism. It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for them to see the destruction that their religion is wreaking in this world.
10   RWSGFY   2021 Sep 25, 12:41pm  

PeopleUnited says
The health care workers and school teachers are indoctrinated into the Covidianism.


Not all of them. I know a nurse who openly laughs at all the coof hysterionics.
11   Patrick   2021 Sep 25, 12:55pm  

How does she still have a job?
12   PeopleUnited   2021 Sep 25, 12:56pm  

Some institutions are upholding religious exemptions. That, and they have to keep their mouth shut and play along with the charade at work.
13   RWSGFY   2021 Sep 25, 12:58pm  

Patrick says
How does she still have a job?


No idea. She probably doesn't laugh at that shit while on the job. And being a union member must be worth someting.
14   Automan Empire   2021 Sep 25, 1:53pm  

Patrick says
Most "liberals" have proven themselves fascist at their core in direct contradiction to their stated values.

Liberals tend to be authoritarian, violent (BLM/Antifa are great examples of this), utterly intolerant of dissent, not willing to debate a point rather than attack the person.

It's almost funny how they can't see what horrible people they have become.


The deplorable irony of writing this in a thread about nuclear rejecting ONE'S OWN FAMILY simply on the strength of them uttering a single sentence. No attempt to understand their point of view and the reasons for holding it or the epistemic path that led them to that state at that moment in time. No attempt to persuade them of your own point of view on the merits of the facts as you can show and defend them. Just instantly taking the most authoritarian road forward out of all the choices available.

Then going on to blame it all somehow on liberals.

This pattern plays out over and over.

I'm anti covid "vax" and very anti mandate, for the record. Also for the record, I find this response approaches the level of sociopathy.
15   mell   2021 Sep 25, 2:00pm  

Automan Empire says
Patrick says
Most "liberals" have proven themselves fascist at their core in direct contradiction to their stated values.

Liberals tend to be authoritarian, violent (BLM/Antifa are great examples of this), utterly intolerant of dissent, not willing to debate a point rather than attack the person.

It's almost funny how they can't see what horrible people they have become.


The deplorable irony of writing this in a thread about nuclear rejecting ONE'S OWN FAMILY simply on the strength of them uttering a single sentence. No attempt to understand their point of view and the reasons for holding it or the epistemic path that led them to that state at that moment in time. No attempt to persuade them of your own point of view on the merits of the facts as you can show and defend them. Just instantly taking the most authoritarian road forward out of all the choices available.

Then...


It depends on whether prior attempts were made and if there are children or other family members involved for whom the agent administration or not is being decided. I agree if they are independent entities they can make their own choices, but it's problematic if somebody supports forced vaccination imo, no matter if family or not. But it should always be tried first to find some common ground to remove the element of coercion and keep family together, but it can fail. Also this is a bit of a straw man since cutting someone off is not a coercive act unless they depend on you in some way. Very different from forcing inoculation on someone.
16   Automan Empire   2021 Sep 25, 2:13pm  

mell says
this is a bit of a straw man since cutting someone off is not a coercive act unless


I see what you're trying to get at here, but the crux of my difference with you and OP here is the ability to frame "assuming unilateral control of communication with entire family" as "somehow not itself authoritarian or coercive OF ME."

There exist family situations and dynamics where cutting off is the most sensible and/or expedient response to their behavior. However, OP's action did not describe or stipulate any condition other than the binary "for or against vaccine mandates at the moment of asking."

I think you have to already not care about your family for this to even make sense.
17   Patrick   2021 Sep 25, 5:31pm  

Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by the rejection of political plurality, the use of a strong central power to preserve the political status quo, and reductions in the rule of law, separation of powers, and democratic voting.


Wow, does that perfectly describe Democratic voters and Biden or what?

- rejection of political plurality => all non-woke opinions are instantly dismissed without debate
- the use of a strong central power to preserve the political status quo => Biden's federal overreach, mandates, censorship coordination with Facebook in violation of 1A
- reductions in the rule of law => comically blatant corruption, Hunter taking bribes, selling "art", Burisima, and no investigations
- reductions in separation of powers => Biden simply ignoring the Supreme Court on evictions
- reduction in democratic voting => Democrats consistently opposing any and all election integrity measures to preserve their cheat machinery
18   Rin   2021 Sep 25, 6:05pm  

Patrick says
There are reports that the immune suppression from getting the vaxx is leading to cancers.


Since Covid is increasing the COX-2 expression ...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32995789/

Excerpt: "We found that SARS-CoV-2 infection induced COX-2 expression in both human cell culture systems and mouse models"

That it's feasible that it's an adjuvant to a cancer forming environment, as high COX-2 expression is associated with tumor genesis ...

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30341914/

Excerpt: ".. promotes apoptotic resistance, proliferation, angiogenesis, inflammation, invasion, and metastasis of cancer cells"

I don't have to tell you what inhibits COX-2 ... yes, Quercetin & Turmeric again. There are a slew of papers on it on PubMed.
19   mell   2021 Sep 25, 6:24pm  

Cox 2 inhibitors are plenty, I think most antihistamines are, but turmeric and quercetin are natural ones.
20   Rin   2021 Sep 25, 6:43pm  

mell says
Cox 2 inhibitors are plenty, I think most antihistamines are


Many of the synthetic ones have adverse effects on one's organ systems, blood pressure, immune response, etc.
21   Shaman   2021 Sep 25, 10:47pm  

If your family members believe that you should be forced to get the vax on pain of job loss or whatever, they aren’t worth knowing. I don’t care what their reasons may be. If they want to remove your right to choose what goes into your body, they suck and aren’t worth a wet shit.
22   komputodo   2021 Sep 25, 11:37pm  

WineHorror1 says
I told everyone in my family that if they support vax mandates, we are no longer family. I told them to never have anything to do with me again. Don't call, don't visit. I included my parents in that message.

How about you?

If I did that with every ignorant family member, I'd have none left to talk to.
23   Shaman   2021 Sep 26, 5:31am  

komputodo says
WineHorror1 says
I told everyone in my family that if they support vax mandates, we are no longer family. I told them to never have anything to do with me again. Don't call, don't visit. I included my parents in that message.

How about you?

If I did that with every ignorant family member, I'd have none left to talk to.


People need to have their ideological cages rattled by some hard and honest truth. Contrary to popular belief, societies aren’t swayed the most by popular opinion. They’re swayed by recalcitrant minorities who absolutely REFUSE to go along with something until the majority makes concessions for them. Just think about the last time you went out for dinner or lunch with friends or coworkers at a moments notice. Who picked the restaurant? Betting it wasn’t the one who “could eat anywhere.” It was the one with very firm ideas on where you all should go to eat, who may have even threatened to bail if her demands weren’t met.

Stand your ground! Especially with family. They have plenty of reason to rethink their beliefs rather than piss you off. If you hold such a strong belief, then the RIGHT thing to do is to warn them about violating it. This creates a boundary beyond which you will not tolerate certain behavior. If they want to associate with you, they have to respect your boundaries! That is every person’s right to set boundaries and not be a door mat.
24   HeadSet   2021 Sep 26, 11:29am  

Shaman says
They have plenty of reason to rethink their beliefs rather than piss you off.

Yes, that happens, but not just against tyranny. Plenty of parents have "rethought" their beliefs when a child gets into the LGBT trend. Rather than destroy a relationship with the kid, the parents will go along with the kid declaring themself a different gender, and even call the kid by the new name and even put a rainbow decal on the car.
25   Automan Empire   2021 Sep 26, 12:33pm  

Shaman says
If you hold such a strong belief, then the RIGHT thing to do is to warn them about violating it. This creates a boundary beyond which you will not tolerate certain behavior.


Your post describes healthy establishment of boundaries, and communication that can maintain and repair relationships despite differences.

The way OP wrote makes sense only in already hopelessly dysfunctional families, or when pursuing hopelessly dysfunctional ideologies that are far into "purity spiral" territory. There's hyperbole to make or emphasize a point, and there's grinding along in a dysfunctional rut.

HeadSet says
Plenty of parents have "rethought" their beliefs when a child gets into the LGBT trend


I'd like to think, if this actually happened to you personally, you'd gain a deeper understanding than to go on believing your very own progeny went through years of angst and inner conflict and is still doing nothing less superficial than following A TREND. Look at the case of Dick Cheney, whose anti LGBT ideology helped shape national policy and attitude, yet all that went out the window when his own daughter came out. Cases like these (and they are very numerous) highlight how ideology can blind someone to reality so thoroughly, that they can't see their own child is gay the kid's entire life till they literally come out and tell them well into adulthood.

It reminds me of my BIL who is Latino with a stereotypical Machismo attitude. My second nephew was obvs gay way back in grade school, and I saw them 3-4 times a year and have notoriously weak gaydar. Yet he acted all shocked and disappointed when the kid was approaching 18, despite it by then becoming as obvious as that comedian (Chappelle?) who pantomimed a guy enthusiastically sucking one dick while jerking two more pausing to lilt matter of factly, "Yeah, I'm gay." After a long period of contentious fighting he kicked that son out of the house FFS. Thus was formed yet another gay young adult who instead of just existing like everyone else, moved to North Hollywood and wears his sexuality on his sleeve and makes it a conspicuous part of his identity. The sane ones find acceptance and satisfying relationships and settle into normalcy by their late 20s. The ones that parade like clowns in middle age at pride parades may be annoying to average people whether liberal or conservative, but it's the outcome of deep scars from a literal lifetime of rejection of who they are from their most intimate human connections.

It makes one think back in time. What other ideologies and political persuasions have been big on polarizing people to the point of shunning close family on a single binary question?
26   GNL   2021 Sep 26, 12:40pm  

To make it a little more clear, I told them "IF" they support vax mandates...

I do not know anyone that supports vax mandates in my parental/sibling group. I do suspect there may be at least one that may based on their angry response to the message.

I have written off about 10 friends and extended family members though.
27   Automan Empire   2021 Sep 26, 3:49pm  

WineHorror1 says
To make it a little more clear, I told them "IF" they support vax mandates...


Thank you for trying to clarify, but that point is not in question. You made it sufficiently clear from the first post that continued contact was made conditional by you upon them giving you a no answer to that single question.

You're basically unironically boasting of superiority to a somewhat inflated/strawmanned authleft position, from a consciously chosen self-righteous authright position. These are the expected outcomes of a late stage purity spiral. See if you can address these points or prove them wrong.
28   GNL   2021 Sep 26, 4:45pm  

Automan Empire says
WineHorror1 says
To make it a little more clear, I told them "IF" they support vax mandates...


Thank you for trying to clarify, but that point is not in question. You made it sufficiently clear from the first post that continued contact was made conditional by you upon them giving you a no answer to that single question.

You're basically unironically boasting of superiority to a somewhat inflated/strawmanned authleft position, from a consciously chosen self-righteous authright position. These are the expected outcomes of a late stage purity spiral. See if you can address these points or prove them wrong.

You are mistaken. If you can't smell what's happening, I feel for you. Family members most certainly can become enemies. I never believed in the notion that family is unassailable. If so, you would be led into countless bad situations.

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