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Trump is a shit wolf if he signs that relief bill


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2020 Dec 21, 9:50pm   1,549 views  19 comments

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If he does we all will see just how the dumb the fker really is, he just don't get it.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/pandemic-relief-payments-congress-voting-early-week-mnuchin/story?id=74842477

Any sane person does not sign what they have not read and understands FULLY.

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1   Cash   2020 Dec 21, 10:00pm  

I absolutely agree with AOC something I never thought I would do hell must have frozen over.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lawmakers-six-hours-6000-page-covid-relief-bill
Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-NY., was quick to blast the short timeframe, arguing lawmakers "have not read this bill."
"It’s over 5000 pages, arrived at 2pm today, and we are told to expect a vote on it in 2 hours," she tweeted. "This isn’t governance. It’s hostage-taking."
2   Patrick   2020 Dec 21, 10:01pm  

I agree too.

Lawmakers should all have to read and understand the laws they vote on.

If they don't have time, then that proves that the laws are too complex.
3   Cash   2020 Dec 21, 10:09pm  

Patrick says
Lawmakers should all have to read and understand the laws they vote on.

Especially since none of them have written a law for years and most probably would have to read it slow having such a very hard time understanding the legalities of what they were reading. Just think about poor AOC and the likes having to actually understand what was written in those 6k pgs. Lobbyist are the law writers and for the right amount of personal benefit, pay and spiffs they get past.
4   Patrick   2020 Dec 21, 10:57pm  

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/12/21/atrocious-congress-crams-language-criminalize-online-streaming-meme-sharing-5500

Lawmakers in Congress are under fire from digital rights campaigners for embedding three controversial changes to online copyright and trademark laws into the must-pass $2.3 trillion legislative package—which includes a $1.4 trillion omnibus spending bill and a $900 billion Covid-19 relief bill—that could receive floor votes in the House and Senate as early as Monday evening.

The punitive provisions crammed into the enormous bill (pdf), warned Evan Greer of the digital rights group Fight for the Future, "threaten ordinary Internet users with up to $30,000 in fines for engaging in everyday activity such as downloading an image and re-uploading it... [or] sharing memes."


THIS is why they don't want anyone to have time to read the bill.
5   WookieMan   2020 Dec 21, 11:08pm  

I'll get nothing again this time, not that I want or need it. Just have to pay for everyone else as usual now and down the road. Sad state of affairs for a trivial virus that kills unhealthy geezers.
6   REpro   2020 Dec 22, 1:26am  

5,000 pages..,yes that is creation over several months. Congressman need to be paid for something. At least to pretend how to spend taxpayer's dollars in good way. Fun job, its "not my money."
7   Tenpoundbass   2020 Dec 22, 7:46am  

All but 5 GOP Senators signed it, and the ones that didn't are the standard Snake in the grass Republicans. The only reason they didn't sign it, because there was already plenty of people who already signed it, and they will try to get political mileage out of saying they didn't sign it. In a later date when they run for President or something.

It's Veto proof, by Trump not signing it, it would only be a symbolic gesture.
8   Onvacation   2020 Dec 22, 8:36am  

WookieMan says
I'll get nothing again this time,

I'll get an increased tax bill and a decreased dollar value.

$600 would not make a difference in my life, or many life's for that matter. Even the people that can't afford a $400 emergency will probably spend the cash on partying.

Open the country. Let Fauci and Gates shove the Wuhan antivirus up their ass.
9   NDrLoR   2020 Dec 22, 8:42am  

Onvacation says
$600
You give me $600, I'll give you $600 is what it amounts to.
10   HeadSet   2020 Dec 22, 11:12am  

Patrick says
I agree too.

Lawmakers should all have to read and understand the laws they vote on.

If they don't have time, then that proves that the laws are too complex.


Yes, and what happened to putting bills on the Internet for the public to view before Congress takes a vote?
11   Onvacation   2020 Dec 22, 11:37am  

HeadSet says
Yes, and what happened to putting bills on the Internet for the public to view before Congress takes a vote?

They're out there. You just have to be a speed reader.
https://rules.house.gov/sites/democrats.rules.house.gov/files/BILLS-116HR133SA-RCP-116-68.pdf
12   Onvacation   2020 Dec 22, 11:45am  

Copied and pasted from the bill:

(i) in the paragraph heading, by strik2 ing ‘‘NON-FEDERAL SPONSOR’’ and insert3 ing ‘‘ELIGIBLE SUBRECIPIENT’’;
4 (ii) in the matter preceding subpara5 graph (A), by striking ‘‘the non-Federal
6 sponsor shall’’ and inserting ‘‘an eligible
7 subrecipient shall, with respect to the dam
8 to be rehabilitated by the eligible sub9 recipient’’;
10 (iii) by amending subparagraph (A) to
11 read as follows:
12 ‘‘(A) demonstrate that the community in
13 which the dam is located participates in, and
14 complies with, all applicable Federal flood in15 surance programs, including demonstrating that
16 such community is participating in the National
17 Flood Insurance Program, and is not on proba18 tion, suspended, or withdrawn from such Pro19 gram;’’;
20 (iv) in subparagraph (B), by striking
21 ‘‘have’’ and inserting ‘‘beginning not later
22 than 2 years after the date on which the
23 Administrator publishes criteria for hazard
24 mitigation plans under paragraph (3),
25 demonstrate that the Tribal or local govDecember 21, 2020 (7:54 a.m.)
1342
U:\2021OMNI\14OMNI\DivO-FF.xml SEN. APPRO.
1 ernment with jurisdiction over the area in
2 which the dam is located has’’; and
3 (v) in subparagraph (C), by striking
4 ‘‘50-year period’’ and inserting ‘‘expected
5 life of the dam’’; and
6 (C) by adding at the end the following:
7 ‘‘(3) HAZARD MITIGATION PLAN CRITERIA.—
8 Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment
9 of this paragraph, the Administrator, in consultation
10 with the Board, shall publish criteria for hazard
11 mitigation plans required under paragraph (2)(B).’’.


The fuck you say? What does some dam on some reservation that mandates flood insurance have to do with a covid stimulus?

I suspect some congressman's brother in law (the "subrecipient") owns a backhoe and is going to get some cash to fix up some dam somewhere.
13   HeadSet   2020 Dec 22, 3:14pm  

Onvacation says
HeadSet says
Yes, and what happened to putting bills on the Internet for the public to view before Congress takes a vote?

They're out there. You just have to be a speed reader.
https://rules.house.gov/sites/democrats.rules.house.gov/files/BILLS-116HR133SA-RCP-116-68.pdf


Thanks, good to know.
14   Bd6r   2020 Dec 22, 5:27pm  

Patrick says
Lawmakers should all have to read and understand the laws they vote on.

They should read out the whole damned bill in front of Congress before voting for it.
15   richwicks   2020 Dec 22, 6:01pm  

Rb6d says
They should read out the whole damned bill in front of Congress before voting for it.


Yes. If this was done, imagine how much shorter the bills would be, and how fewer bills would exist?

And this - bills should have an expiration date. Say 10 years, and they have to be passed again, and they have to go through the same process.

Remember - "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
16   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2020 Dec 22, 7:50pm  

Bill too fucking long.
17   Patrick   2020 Dec 22, 10:46pm  

richwicks says
Rb6d says
They should read out the whole damned bill in front of Congress before voting for it.


Yes. If this was done, imagine how much shorter the bills would be, and how fewer bills would exist?


But how could such a rule ever get passed? It's not up to us, it's up to the Congressmen we supposedly elect (though I'm not even sure we really do that anymore).

What would motivate Congressmen to create a rule that they have to read the bill in front of Congress before voting on it?

Right now, they have less than zero incentive to do that.
19   NDrLoR   2020 Dec 23, 8:44am  

Onvacation says
What does some dam on some reservation that mandates flood insurance have to do with a covid stimulus?
95% probably has nothing more to do with COVID other than the name in the title. Classic example of pork.

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