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zzyzzx
2017 Oct 26, 11:09am
zzyzzx
2017 Oct 26, 11:09am
I have no fucking idea. It's a crapshoot. If it comes to Maryland I may leave this state sooner, rather than later.
What will be interesting is to see what immediate repricing people do to any housing that they are currently trying to sell. Think of it as an Amazon tax, but I am expecting to real estate asking listing prices jump pretty quickly at the proposed location when it's announced.
Also, I suspect that they want something farther away from Seattle than Denver. Probably something in the east or midwest.
What will be interesting is to see what immediate repricing people do to any housing that they are currently trying to sell. Think of it as an Amazon tax, but I am expecting to real estate asking listing prices jump pretty quickly at the proposed location when it's announced.
Also, I suspect that they want something farther away from Seattle than Denver. Probably something in the east or midwest.
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lostand confused
2017 Oct 26, 11:15am
lostand confused
2017 Oct 26, 11:15am
WookieMan says
Chicago property taxes, state income taxes-Austin is my bet.
All this said, IL shoots itself in its own foot at the end of the day. While the cost of living is cheaper than the East coast, property taxes are a bear. And it's not getting better anytime soon. State taxes will very likely keep increasing as well. I want Chicago/IL to get it, but I'm also realistic and it's probably not happening.
Chicago property taxes, state income taxes-Austin is my bet.
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FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2017 Oct 26, 12:26pm
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2017 Oct 26, 12:26pm
Honestly, I don't know what these 50K people are going to do. Do they need to be near transport hubs? I'm assuming that the majority will be in analytics/IT/business development etc. In other words, I don't think that the bulk of them have to be near a shipping/warehouse hub. Have you been researching this? What do you think that they need in a 2nd HQ?
My understanding is that most warehouses are probably near customers. They want to deliver faster and faster, and it doesn't pay to have a bunch of product sitting in Chicago if the customer is on the East or West coast. They are going to store product where it is being sold to the extent practicable.
My understanding is that most warehouses are probably near customers. They want to deliver faster and faster, and it doesn't pay to have a bunch of product sitting in Chicago if the customer is on the East or West coast. They are going to store product where it is being sold to the extent practicable.
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RC2006
2017 Oct 26, 12:34pm
RC2006
2017 Oct 26, 12:34pm
YesYNot says
Thats why I thought Denver for communication and travel reasons would be the best bet especially with them getting into more non material products. Denver is the largest U.S. city to offer one-bounce satellite uplinks.
I don't think that the bulk of them have to be near a shipping/warehouse hub
Thats why I thought Denver for communication and travel reasons would be the best bet especially with them getting into more non material products. Denver is the largest U.S. city to offer one-bounce satellite uplinks.
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joshuatrio
2017 Oct 26, 6:05pm
joshuatrio
2017 Oct 26, 6:05pm
Philistine says
That's exactly what we did. I actually love it down here. I've never been this relaxed in my life. At the rate I'm going, I'll be retired at 40.
An Amazon salary in the South would fit that trend nicely and attract plenty of talent that is young enough to move around the country before they have settled down.
That's exactly what we did. I actually love it down here. I've never been this relaxed in my life. At the rate I'm going, I'll be retired at 40.
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WatermelonUniversity
2017 Oct 26, 9:45pm
WatermelonUniversity
2017 Oct 26, 9:45pm
Detroit & Atlanta LOL. move there if you enjoy black on X violence.
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zzyzzx
2017 Nov 1, 8:35am
zzyzzx
2017 Nov 1, 8:35am
http://www.dbknews.com/2017/10/02/amazon-request-for-proposal-prince-georges-county-headquarters-college-park/
Having the headquarters in College Park could cut down Route 1 traffic,
That's some pretty fucked up logic right there!!!
Having the headquarters in College Park could cut down Route 1 traffic,
That's some pretty fucked up logic right there!!!
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zzyzzx
2018 Jan 18, 8:09am
zzyzzx
2018 Jan 18, 8:09am
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/18/amazon-narrows-list-of-candidates-for-new-headquarters-hq2-to-20.html
Amazon narrows the list of metro areas for its new headquarters to 20
The remaining 20 places are:
Atlanta
Austin, Texas
Boston
Chicago
Columbus, Ohio
Dallas
Denver
Indianapolis
Los Angeles
Miami
Montgomery County, Md.
Nashville, Tenn.
Newark, N.J.
New York City
Northern Virginia
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Raleigh, N.C.
Toronto
Washington, D.C.
Amazon narrows the list of metro areas for its new headquarters to 20
The remaining 20 places are:
Atlanta
Austin, Texas
Boston
Chicago
Columbus, Ohio
Dallas
Denver
Indianapolis
Los Angeles
Miami
Montgomery County, Md.
Nashville, Tenn.
Newark, N.J.
New York City
Northern Virginia
Philadelphia
Pittsburgh
Raleigh, N.C.
Toronto
Washington, D.C.
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WookieMan
2018 Jan 18, 8:29am
WookieMan
2018 Jan 18, 8:29am
Alright, so they got it down to 20 cities that they can now directly fleece.
Definite no's on my list and surprised they made it:
Toronto - Would be a historically bad move in this political climate. Populists that use Amazon would stop immediately.
Columbus, OH - Seriously? Ohio is an awful state to visit, drive through, visit, live in, visit, etc.
Northern Virginia - I don't get this. Where?
Both Pennsylvania Locations - Why? Why would you?
Washington, D.C. - Hell no's.
All the others are probably fine. Raleigh, N.C. is not a real quality place for an Amazon type company. I know nothing about Montgomery County, M.D. but assume it's close to D.C. and/or Baltimore. I'd probably say no on that too.
So this is a list of 13 if you ask me. And even then it's still smaller. NYC is just too much money and I don't get what the benefit would be outside of talent. LA kind of falls into this category with high cost of living for employees and high state income tax. Great weather though outside of mudslides and fires.
Places that make the most sense on this list.
Atlanta
Boston
Chicago
Dallas
Denver
Indianapolis
Miami
Nashville
Newark, N.J.
If it's not one of these 9 I would be surprised.
Definite no's on my list and surprised they made it:
Toronto - Would be a historically bad move in this political climate. Populists that use Amazon would stop immediately.
Columbus, OH - Seriously? Ohio is an awful state to visit, drive through, visit, live in, visit, etc.
Northern Virginia - I don't get this. Where?
Both Pennsylvania Locations - Why? Why would you?
Washington, D.C. - Hell no's.
All the others are probably fine. Raleigh, N.C. is not a real quality place for an Amazon type company. I know nothing about Montgomery County, M.D. but assume it's close to D.C. and/or Baltimore. I'd probably say no on that too.
So this is a list of 13 if you ask me. And even then it's still smaller. NYC is just too much money and I don't get what the benefit would be outside of talent. LA kind of falls into this category with high cost of living for employees and high state income tax. Great weather though outside of mudslides and fires.
Places that make the most sense on this list.
Atlanta
Boston
Chicago
Dallas
Denver
Indianapolis
Miami
Nashville
Newark, N.J.
If it's not one of these 9 I would be surprised.
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zzyzzx
2018 Jan 18, 8:32am
zzyzzx
2018 Jan 18, 8:32am
WookieMan says
It's suburban DC. Like Northern VA, it's an expensive place to live that is very business unfriendly, so I can't imagine why they would even consider it.
I know nothing about Montgomery County, M.D. but assume it's close to D.C.
It's suburban DC. Like Northern VA, it's an expensive place to live that is very business unfriendly, so I can't imagine why they would even consider it.
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Shaman
2018 Jan 18, 8:33am
Shaman
2018 Jan 18, 8:33am
You know what Seattle residents call the swarms of Amazon executives that plague their streets?
“Amholes”
Got that from a real Seattle resident.
Oh and if the choice was mine I’d pick Atlanta also. Great place, taxes not too high like Boston or Chicago.
However Bezos is a super librul and so he will probably pick someplace a bit more “crunchy.”
“Amholes”
Got that from a real Seattle resident.
Oh and if the choice was mine I’d pick Atlanta also. Great place, taxes not too high like Boston or Chicago.
However Bezos is a super librul and so he will probably pick someplace a bit more “crunchy.”
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zzyzzx
2018 Mar 15, 9:56am
zzyzzx
2018 Mar 15, 9:56am
'Not welcome here': Amazon faces growing resistance to its second home
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/15/not-welcome-here-amazon-faces-growing-resistance-to-its-second-home
What do you get for the man who has everything? When it comes to Jeff Bezos – the richest man in the world with around $130bn to his name – many US cities competing to host Amazon’s second headquarters have an answer: billions of dollars in tax incentives.
That proposition has united an ideologically diverse group of dissenters to Amazon’s grand HQ2 competition, ranging from rightwing organizations linked to the Koch brothers to the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA). Groups and individuals that would normally agree only to mutual disdain and distrust have somehow come around to the same conclusion: that Amazon’s decision to pit 20 cities against each other in a fight to host a future hub is a bad deal for everyone except Amazon.
n Atlanta, an anonymous group of activists with roots in the Occupy movement has set up AtlantaAgainstAmazon.org, a website that compares the HQ2 process to “something like a televised Hunger Games death-match”, and has designed anti-Amazon flyers that have been plastered around town.
Generation Opportunity, a conservative advocacy group for millennials associated with the Koch brothers, has launched a targeted digital ad campaign with a slickly produced, ominously soundtracked video that compares the HQ2 competition to – wait for it – the Hunger Games.
And a petition launched by the prominent urbanist Richard Florida and dozens of other academics calling for the finalist cities to unite in a “mutual non-aggression pact” on tax incentives has garnered more than 15,000 signatures.
The idea behind the pact is that rather than engage in a tax-break arms race, everyone should agree not to offer incentives. That would force Amazon to simply choose its new home by the merits of the locations, which Florida told the Guardian he suspects they will do anyway, and free up local governments to invest their tax dollars in the kind of improvements that make a city attractive to a corporation in the first place.
“I didn’t expect to ever write a protest letter,” said Florida, who was part of the group that organized Toronto’s bid for HQ2, where he advocated against tax incentives. “But one weekend I was so mad, I started emailing my friends across the ideological spectrum, and every one of them said they’d sign on in a minute.”
Florida called the tax incentives proposed by states like New Jersey ($7bn) and Maryland ($3bn) “obscene”, an assessment shared by the Washington-based advocacy group Fair Budget Coalition.
“Jeff Bezos personally has more money than the district’s budget,” said the group’s co-director, Monica Kamen. “Are we going to give the richest man in history a tax break before we make sure that homeless children have a place to sleep?”
The Fair Budget Coalition has worked with the local DSA chapter to launch “Obviously Not DC”, a campaign that takes its name from the district’s pro-DC hashtag campaign, #ObviouslyDC.
Asked how the group felt about ending up on the same side of an issue as the liberal bogeymen the Kochs, Kamen’s co-director Stephanie Sneed chimed in: “A broken clock is right twice a day.”
Brad Landers, a member of New York City council who signed the Florida petition, said that he would be happy for Amazon to move to New York, as long as it paid its fair share.
“You’re not opening a second headquarters as a charitable project,” he said. “You are opening it to make more money, and that is going to impose all these costs that our city has to bear, especially around transit, infrastructure, schools, and housing. You’re not expected to pay more, even though you have some outsize impacts, but to ask to pay less is just appallingly bad corporate behavior.”
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/15/not-welcome-here-amazon-faces-growing-resistance-to-its-second-home
What do you get for the man who has everything? When it comes to Jeff Bezos – the richest man in the world with around $130bn to his name – many US cities competing to host Amazon’s second headquarters have an answer: billions of dollars in tax incentives.
That proposition has united an ideologically diverse group of dissenters to Amazon’s grand HQ2 competition, ranging from rightwing organizations linked to the Koch brothers to the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA). Groups and individuals that would normally agree only to mutual disdain and distrust have somehow come around to the same conclusion: that Amazon’s decision to pit 20 cities against each other in a fight to host a future hub is a bad deal for everyone except Amazon.
n Atlanta, an anonymous group of activists with roots in the Occupy movement has set up AtlantaAgainstAmazon.org, a website that compares the HQ2 process to “something like a televised Hunger Games death-match”, and has designed anti-Amazon flyers that have been plastered around town.
Generation Opportunity, a conservative advocacy group for millennials associated with the Koch brothers, has launched a targeted digital ad campaign with a slickly produced, ominously soundtracked video that compares the HQ2 competition to – wait for it – the Hunger Games.
And a petition launched by the prominent urbanist Richard Florida and dozens of other academics calling for the finalist cities to unite in a “mutual non-aggression pact” on tax incentives has garnered more than 15,000 signatures.
The idea behind the pact is that rather than engage in a tax-break arms race, everyone should agree not to offer incentives. That would force Amazon to simply choose its new home by the merits of the locations, which Florida told the Guardian he suspects they will do anyway, and free up local governments to invest their tax dollars in the kind of improvements that make a city attractive to a corporation in the first place.
“I didn’t expect to ever write a protest letter,” said Florida, who was part of the group that organized Toronto’s bid for HQ2, where he advocated against tax incentives. “But one weekend I was so mad, I started emailing my friends across the ideological spectrum, and every one of them said they’d sign on in a minute.”
Florida called the tax incentives proposed by states like New Jersey ($7bn) and Maryland ($3bn) “obscene”, an assessment shared by the Washington-based advocacy group Fair Budget Coalition.
“Jeff Bezos personally has more money than the district’s budget,” said the group’s co-director, Monica Kamen. “Are we going to give the richest man in history a tax break before we make sure that homeless children have a place to sleep?”
The Fair Budget Coalition has worked with the local DSA chapter to launch “Obviously Not DC”, a campaign that takes its name from the district’s pro-DC hashtag campaign, #ObviouslyDC.
Asked how the group felt about ending up on the same side of an issue as the liberal bogeymen the Kochs, Kamen’s co-director Stephanie Sneed chimed in: “A broken clock is right twice a day.”
Brad Landers, a member of New York City council who signed the Florida petition, said that he would be happy for Amazon to move to New York, as long as it paid its fair share.
“You’re not opening a second headquarters as a charitable project,” he said. “You are opening it to make more money, and that is going to impose all these costs that our city has to bear, especially around transit, infrastructure, schools, and housing. You’re not expected to pay more, even though you have some outsize impacts, but to ask to pay less is just appallingly bad corporate behavior.”
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WookieMan
2018 Nov 13, 7:18am
WookieMan
2018 Nov 13, 7:18am
Well, didn't figure it to go the way it did. But I guess that's why I'm not a billionaire I suppose. I'll have to work on that more I guess.
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Goran_K
2018 Nov 13, 7:21am
Goran_K
2018 Nov 13, 7:21am
Occupy Democrats: “We want fair paying jobs and healthcare.”
Atlanta, Georgia: “Hey Amazon HQ2 is at the door offering $80k per year jobs and sweet health care!”
Occupy Democrats: “No not that way!”
Atlanta, Georgia: “Hey Amazon HQ2 is at the door offering $80k per year jobs and sweet health care!”
Occupy Democrats: “No not that way!”
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zzyzzx
2018 Nov 13, 7:36am
zzyzzx
2018 Nov 13, 7:36am
It's Crystal City, VA and one other place.
Why not split it around several places that you can soak instead?
Why not split it around several places that you can soak instead?
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Goran_K
2018 Nov 13, 8:24am
Goran_K
2018 Nov 13, 8:24am
Tim Aurora says
Are you kidding? Did you even read the article? No it's obvious you did not (or ever do).
Is the Occupy Movement associated with "Republicans"?
Stop being so partisan that you don't even take 5 minutes to read the very thing you're attempting to comment on.
Wrong again.
Are you kidding? Did you even read the article? No it's obvious you did not (or ever do).
an anonymous group of activists with roots in the Occupy movement has set up AtlantaAgainstAmazon.org
Is the Occupy Movement associated with "Republicans"?
Stop being so partisan that you don't even take 5 minutes to read the very thing you're attempting to comment on.
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Goran_K
2018 Nov 13, 11:03am
Goran_K
2018 Nov 13, 11:03am
Tim Aurora says
Who gives a shit? Fortune is owned by Meredith group who also owns Bloomberg business. Not exactly the most unbiased source of editorialized news. Is this supposed to convince me that "Republicans" are the ones starting advocacy groups against HQ2 in Georgia?
See, that's the thing. You get your opinion from editorialized content to fill your opinion. Me, I look at the action of the actual groups (like Occupy Democrats) who are actually protesting the HQ2.
Big difference.
Fortune magazine agrees with me
Who gives a shit? Fortune is owned by Meredith group who also owns Bloomberg business. Not exactly the most unbiased source of editorialized news. Is this supposed to convince me that "Republicans" are the ones starting advocacy groups against HQ2 in Georgia?
See, that's the thing. You get your opinion from editorialized content to fill your opinion. Me, I look at the action of the actual groups (like Occupy Democrats) who are actually protesting the HQ2.
Big difference.
Not a gambling man, I just don't see how Atlanta is the favorite, at least on this site. I know Atlanta isn't all the bad, but man, it's the South. Not the best source for educated employees without people having to move there from other areas.
My vote is Chicago. Because I would stand to benefit from that. No other thought was put into that thought. Although we have a couple world renowned University's, great transportation (people & freight), two solid airports, cheaper cost of living to comparable large cities and of course Wookieman.
What do ya think Patnet? Who you think wins it?