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Rew says

Is Malaysia a failed state? Turkey? Algeria? Bangladesh?

Isn't Bangladesh the country where Atheist bloggers are hacked to pieces?
Isn't Algeria a country that just went through a deadly civil war in the 90s between army and islamists?
Isn't Turkey a country where the Islamist president is purging the press and political enemies, when he is not busy covertly supporting ISIS?
Not sure about Malaysia.

Malaysia is a wonderful liberal country.. but perhaps the exception.
Catholic Venezuela is muuuch worse

So perhaps is just about having rules that don't allow a country to have too dogmatic presidents... like Maduro, Marsi or Trump

Lots of problems with Rew's chart.

For one, it pulls a trick of "Foreign Born Terrorists", when many terror attacks are committed by 2nd Generation or converted individuals, which is misleading as it excludes many terrorist-caused fatalities. Omar Mateen for one, Rizwan Farook for another, John Allen Muhammed - whom the Bush Admin dishonestly refused to characterize as an Islamic Terrorist - for yet another.

For every terrorist attack in the US resulting in fatalities, there are many others that are stopped.

Also, if we go by the chart, we should shut down tornado warning centers, other NOAA projects on tornados, and repeal tornado-based safety regulations and building codes, since Tornadoes kill even fewer than "Foreign Born" Terrorists.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Also, if we go by the chart, we should shut down tornado warning centers, other NOAA projects on tornados, and repeal tornado-based safety regulations and building codes, since Tornadoes kill even fewer than "Foreign Born" Terrorists.

Not one of your best comments.

Rashomon says

Not one of your best comments.

I should also mention where the "Asteroid (Global Impact)" odds come from? I imagine the last person killed by an Asteroid was probably a single Siberian hunting in the woods during the Tunguska Event, if that counts as a "Global Impact". I suspect asspull numbers and guesstimations.

No, you really needn't. Where in Rew's post did he say that nothing should be done to prevent terrorism? How much time and money is spent on the twin threats of asteroids and tornadoes? How much of the media and political landscape is consumed by those two? How about terrorists? It's a threat that should be contained based on a rational approach, not by peddling fear at every opportunity.

Rashomon says

No, you really needn't. Where in Rew's post did he say that nothing should be done to prevent terrorism? How much time and money is spent on the twin threats of asteroids and tornadoes? How much of the media and political landscape is consumed by those two? How about terrorists? It's a threat that should be contained based on a rational approach, not by peddling fear at every opportunity.

Rew says

The threat isn't much of one for the cure people are asking for. I'll gladly live braver and freer, than scared and safer, from something that has been made significantly bigger than it actually is. The rationale behind the fear of Islam is for it be used as a politically unifying motivator, and one that can be ramped up to a greater level when needed.

That, combined with the highlighting of terrorism on the Odds Chart, makes it pretty clear what Rew's stance is.

"Since tornadoes will happen again, I'd rather accept a freer economy by dumping safety rules that impose costs on builders and homeowners, since people are gonna die anyway and the code enforcement is expensive and not foolproof, diverting tax payer dollars from heart disease and cancer research."

Rew says

The rationale behind the fear of Islam is for it be used as a politically unifying motivator, and one that can be ramped up to a greater level when needed.

And dumped when the fear level, instigated by the Media, interferes in the free movement into the US of new renters and capital.

That being said, it's not just Terrorism. There's a ton of crime. In France, a ludicrously disproportionate amount of crime is committed by North Africans. For some other Euro states like Sweden, we don't have reliable ethnic numbers because the government refuses to collect them on grounds of Ray's Cyst. In the UK, as MMR reported, they lump Sikhs and Hindus with Muslims by using the deliberately less specific "Asians", trying to imply Rotherham and other rape gangs had substantial non-Muslim membership. We have honor killings on a regular basis, as does all of Europe.

When the French Police try to patrol crime and radicalism ridden neighborhoods on behalf not only of Native French Victims, but Asian ones, riots break out.

It's very hard for middle class liberals to understand, but not everybody has a modern secular materialist worldview and just wants a digital dishwasher. Some people are devoted to Family/Clan Honor and their Religion.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

That, combined with the highlighting of terrorism on the Odds Chart, makes it pretty clear what Rew's stance is.

Yes, and it should in no way then lead you to post:

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Also, if we go by the chart, we should shut down tornado warning centers, other NOAA projects on tornados, and repeal tornado-based safety regulations and building codes, since Tornadoes kill even fewer than "Foreign Born" Terrorists.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

In the UK, as MMR reported, they lump Sikhs and Hindus with Muslims by using the deliberately less specific "Asians", trying to imply Rotherham and other rape gangs had substantial non-Muslim membership.

No, they weren't. I'm British and everyone was perfectly aware of the details of that case.

Rashomon says

Yes, it should in no way then lead you to post:

Why not? We lose economic liberty and incur opportunity costs every time we pass another housing code and regulation.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Why not? We lose economic liberty and incur opportunity costs every time we pass another housing code and regulation.

You're just embarrassing yourself now.

Rashomon says

No, they weren't. I'm British and everyone was perfectly aware of the details of that case.

After it was covered up/dismissed/depreciated by authorities for years, mostly because of PC fears, yes? Reports and some early investigations began in 1999, but it continued for long after that, no? They certainly had so many complaints and reports it really couldn't have been for ignorance or any other reason.

What some of those convicted scream as they were led out of the Courtroom? You guessed it!

Rashomon says

You're just embarrassing yourself now.

Not really. If tornadoes kill fewer people than terrorists... unless... the regulations are the reason for fewer deaths... but then that means that terrorism might be worse if ...

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

After it was covered up by authorities for years, mostly because of PC fears, yes? They certainly had so many complaints and reports it really couldn't have been for any other reason.

I'm glad you know the reasons. Of course Britain has a long record of covering up crimes against white girls to protect Pakistani Muslims. Oh, hang on, that doesn't sound quite right.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Not really. If tornadoes kill fewer people than terrorists... unless... the regulations are the reason for fewer deaths... but then that means that terrorism might be worse if ...

You're just wrapping yourself up in nonsense now. It was clear what he said and the equivalency you're trying to draw is meaningless. Measures are taken to protect against tornadoes. Measures are taken to protect against terrorists. How many deaths are caused by them? There is clearly huge political (and economic) mileage being made from terrorism disproportionate to the actual threat it poses - simplified stories to try and give the populous meaning in a chaotic world, and through which they can then be more easily manipulated.

Rashomon says

I'm glad you know the reasons. Of course Britain has a long record of covering up crimes against white girls to protect Pakistani Muslims. Oh, hang on, that doesn't sound quite right.

It sure does. Wasn't somebody just awarded the MBE for her efforts to shed light, despite official's attempts to bury it, no?

Did anybody resign over the handling of the allegations? Maybe more than one?

Rashomon says

How many deaths are caused by them? There is clearly huge political (and economic) mileage being made from terrorism disproportionate to the actual threat it poses - simplified stories to try and give the populous meaning in a chaotic world, and who can then be easily manipulated.

And one of them is "Political Islam is unimportant, one narrow category of terrorist (foreign-born) only kills Americans a bit more than tornadoes".

There's also a democratic element to this story, as to why the Political Class, in the face of great opposition, keeps insisting on mass migration regardless to what it does to crime, social order, definitely wages, overburdened services, and especially affordable housing? Isn't it easier to change one thing (Mass migration) than solve each of ALL the knock-on problems mass immigration creates?

Is Burger King paying 20 pounds/hour in Hull for cashiers and burger flippers, that they need so many immigrants? Zero-hour contracts have disappeared, and businesses flailing under the weight of high wages, inflation out of control?

A big element to all this is "Middle Class Virtue Signalling", those who is sheltered from most of the problems by virtue of geographic segregation, and the Working Class who puts up with the increased crime, reduced social trust, cost of housing, etc. etc.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

It sure does. Wasn't somebody just awarded the MBE for her efforts to shed light, despite official's attempts to bury it, no?

Did anybody resign over the handling of the allegations? Maybe more than one?

No, it doesn't. This was a failure on the part of local authorities and police in one small northern town, not a grand conspiracy.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

There's also a democratic element to this story, as to why the Political Class, in the face of great opposition, keeps insisting on mass migration regardless to what it does to crime, social order, definitely wages, overburdened services, and especially affordable housing? Isn't it easier to change one thing (Mass migration) than solve each of ALL the knock-on problems mass immigration creates?

Mass migration? There is no policy of mass immigration of Muslims into the US. The numbers being touted before any ban were relatively minuscule, so what is the relevance of your point?

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

and the Working Class who puts up with the increased crime, reduced social trust, cost of housing, etc. etc.

And you think that is down to Muslim immigration? You really do have a habit of massively simplifying things to lay blame at the door of whatever your pet peeve is at the time.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

For one, it pulls a trick of "Foreign Born Terrorists", when many terror attacks are committed by 2nd Generation or converted individuals, which is misleading as it excludes many terrorist-caused fatalities. Omar Mateen for one, Rizwan Farook for another, John Allen Muhammed - whom the Bush Admin dishonestly refused to characterize as an Islamic Terrorist - for yet another.

Feel free to inform us of the correct threat so we can live our lives accordingly. Is it 1 in 20,000? 1 in 10,000? If you don't like the numbers, then don't do your usual whine about them, put up the real numbers.

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Also, if we go by the chart, we should shut down tornado warning centers, other NOAA projects on tornados, and repeal tornado-based safety regulations and building codes, since Tornadoes kill even fewer than "Foreign Born" Terrorists.

How much have we spent on the war on tornadoes? It costs a lot to toenail roof sheathing instead of straight in nailing. Using hurricane ties would add at least $100 to new houses. Those are some really onerous costly building codes we are talking about. Much more expensive than what we've spent on the war on terrorism since 9/11. But wait. There are no residential building codes for tornadoes, only suggested building practices. Too funny.

As usual TL makes an ridiculous comparison and anyone that challenges it just gets even more ridiculous comparisons.

If we go by the chart, since TL doesn't have any numbers, we should spend 100,000 times more on the war on terrorism than on tornado warnings? We don't care about people living in tornado ally? Another liberal east cost elite feminist black lives student protester immigrant fake news conspiracy against the red states and white males?

This news has got to be EXTREMELY dissappointing to T LIps.

Rashomon says

No, it doesn't. This was a failure on the part of local authorities and police in one small northern town, not a grand conspiracy.

Strawman - I said no such thing. You dodged the bit about resignations.

Rashomon says

Mass migration? There is no policy of mass immigration of Muslims into the US. The numbers being touted before any ban were relatively minuscule, so what is the relevance of your point?

Again, you've read mass migration generally into mass migration of Muslims. What is the reason the UK and Britain need so many mostly unskilled people?

With 7B people in the world, a a big chunk of those in poverty, is the US/UK expected to take a significant number of those annually to stop world poverty or some such? What good would that even do, anyway?

Rashomon says

And you think that is down to Muslim immigration? You really do have a habit of massively simplifying things to lay blame at the door of whatever your pet peeve is at the time.

Again, I did not say Muslim immigration.

Left wingers keep dodging WHY we NEED mass immigration and why simply turning it down isn't cheaper, easier, faster than treating all of the symptoms mass immigration brings with it. The most likely explanation is that it serves Middle Class virtue signaling, Upper Class interests with downward wage pressure and rent increases, and the burden on services and social order is borne mostly by the Working Classes.

bob2356 says

Feel free to inform us of the correct threat so we can live our lives accordingly. Is it 1 in 20,000? 1 in 10,000? If you don't like the numbers, then don't do your usual whine about them, put up the real numbers.

I've already pointed out that terrorism is especially narrowed down (Why, if the overall number is low), that the Asteroid Global Impact is likely to be a complete asspull based on a very difficult-to-predict Black Swan event with no recent precedence.

If the chart is correct, and thus we shouldn't do much about domestic terror attacks terror, then we should do even less about tornadoes.

bob2356 says

How much have we spent on the war on tornadoes? It costs a lot to toenail roof sheathing instead of straight in nailing. Using hurricane ties would add at least $100 to new houses. Those are some really onerous costly building codes we are talking about. Much more expensive than what we've spent on the war on terrorism since 9/11. But wait. There are no residential building codes for tornadoes, only suggested building practices. Too funny.

Ridiculous claim dispelled with 5 seconds on Google, if that:
https://www.cityofmoore.com/building-permits-regulations-tornado-areabob2356 says

$2000 increase in cost of home. Oka https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/14/opinion/an-oklahoma-suburb-tornado-ready.html

Also Bob, I haven't seen you fulminate much about Drone Bombing.

This is another problem with the Left:
1. Bombing the shit out of people, destabilizing entire regions that deteriorate into Civil War with rampant Terrorism, arming mercenaries, insisting that AQ dominated groups are freedom fighting liberal democrats - all generally without overt permission or UN resolutions - bad if other team does it, not bad when our team does it.

2. Prohibiting entry of people from Problem Areas: Total Fucking Fascism.