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msm creates muslim bogeyman, Donald "Adolf" Trump wins by by a landslide, vice president takes the reigns just after she witnesses horrific assasination... rinse repeat

watchman says

msm creates muslim bogeyman, Donald "Adolf" Trump wins by by a landslide, vice president takes the reigns just after she witnesses horrific assasination... rinse repeat

could happen that way, sort of, but the msm is not the one shooting down random people in the streets. only super-devout muslims do that. the msm just reports on it.

but yes, every massacre of random civilians by muslims helps the donald, because no one else in the race will even state the words "islamic terrorism", as bill maher so aptly noted.

kind of surprised that the donald has lived this long, since he is clearly threatening to the entrenched parties on both sides.

and yes, he's fairly likely to pick a woman vp because it's politically smart.

i'm now more impressed with the new york post than the new york times. which is sad. i loved the times until i concluded that they value PC platitudes above the truth

Most of us know the truth Patrick. We just don't limit ourselves to the narrow minded and hateful version of it that you do. It's not about being PC for PC sake.

I've never heard you answer the tough questions about this. Such as, what does the world you want look like ?

What does the world where most western countries agree Islam is evil and that Muslims are our enemy (and therefore ostracized to go live in some desolate corner in poverty until they can learn to play nice) look like ?

What does the world where billions of people are ostracized from participating in the family of nations look like ?

Is it a safer world ?

How about this question. IS there a potential reward for risking a small number of murders in the west in exchange for helping Islam evolve out of their dark ages ?

Yes, I understand that risking those murders means that some will happen.

How do we help Muslims to evolve ?

Are you sure that the best way is telling them to fuck off until they learn how to play well with others ?

How are you so sure ? IT's the opposite of what my intuition tells me. And what my intuition tells me, based partly on evidence, doesn't have a single fucking thing to do with being PC for the sake of being PC.

marcus says

How do we help Muslims to evolve ?

speak out, tell the truth about what islam really teaches. they certainly do not hear it in their own countries.

this article is pretty good: http://patrick.net/Islam

Ironman says

Dan8267 says

Maybe he doesn't see it because he killed bin Laden and had his body sunk to the bottom of the ocean where sunlight doesn't reach.

Weren't those pictures and videos of the raid, his dead body and the burial at sea amazing??

Oh wait, there weren't any...

Yes, it's all a conspiracy, just like global warming. You're not a paranoid, delusional fuck. Not at all. You know you could stop the CIA from spying on you by using the microwave oven on your head. It fries the chips they implant in your brain.

AS I thought. Not only no answers, a bunch of dogma and an unwillingness to think about the questions his point of view raises.

Why do you want enemy invaders in your country Marcus? Are you a masochist, or do you just feel safe from them and hate the rest of us? Which is it?
It's not a "Race" thing. It's a culture thing. I say we welcome Arabs/pakis who denounce their horrible Islamist religion and embrace another religion. That's all it will take. Just renounce Islam and we will take you.
Otherwise, feel free to die for your beliefs IN YOUR OWN DAMN COUNTRY!!!! Don't bring that shit over here and expect US to die for your beliefs as well (in explosions).

Until the whole world recognizes that Islam is a horrible religion that is not to be tolerated, but quarantined like a deadly infectious disease, we will have no peace.

Well, there is no way to vet such a thing, there are no records, no papers, just bunch of people who simply "show up". But it doesn't stop political posturing by the left. Left really hates America.

FortWayne says

Well, there is no way to vet such a thing, there are no records

you could check the tax records in beverly hills

in other words , the theory is that these 10,000 are not tired huddled masses, but rather rich enough to afford a get out of hell free card. just a guess, mind you.

Quigley says

Why do you want enemy invaders in your country Marcus? Are you a masochist, or do you just feel safe from them and hate the rest of us?

More thoughtful answers to my questions.

marcus says

What does the world where most western countries agree Islam is evil and that Muslims are our enemy (and therefore ostracized to go live in some desolate corner in poverty until they can learn to play nice) look like ?

Like Britain or Germany circa 1975.

marcus says

What does the world where billions of people are ostracized from participating in the family of nations look like ?

Not at all different. Islamic Literary, Scientific, Artistic, etc. contributions to the world in the past few centuries have been negligible. I seem to recall - I've posted it somewhere on this forum - that the only three categories where academics from Muslim nations have the most cited papers are in Camel Breeding (no joke, a Vet Researcher from Cairo), Desalination Plant Engineering, and (imagine this) Islamic Theology. You'd never know they were gone.

marcus says

Is it a safer world ?

YES! Most of the world's current conflicts involve Islam. From Nigeria's Boko Haram to Uighurs in Xiang province of China.

marcus says

How about this question. IS there a potential reward for risking a small number of murders in the west in exchange for helping Islam evolve out of their dark ages ?

The primary responsibility of any state is to protect it's citizens, not engage in social engineering - especially not outside it's own borders. Isn't engaging in social engineering outside your own borders the very definition of IMPERIALISM?

marcus says

How do we help Muslims to evolve ?

The Security Council should confirm an Islamic-Civilization wide ban on arms and weapons platforms, then let them hash it out.

marcus says

Are you sure that the best way is telling them to fuck off until they learn how to play well with others ?

Yes. It works in Star Trek. Prime Directive: Primitive Civilizations should not be contacted.

thunderlips11 says

marcus says

Is it a safer world ?

YES! Most of the world's current conflicts involve Islam. From Nigeria's Boko Haram to Uighurs in Xiang province of China.

Ostracizing them from most developed countries of the world countries does nothing to address this.

thunderlips11 says

marcus says

Are you sure that the best way is telling them to fuck off until they learn how to play well with others ?

Yes. It works in Star Trek. Prime Directive: Primitive Civilizations should not be contacted.

I guess if we were talking about leaving them on another planet that might make sense.

WOuld we even be civilized, if we hadn't had the chance to be somewhat prosperous ?

DOn't get me wrong, I'm not claiming that people living in inhospitable countries where there are not good opportunities and where the wealth is even more narrowly held in the hands of a few, and bullshit propaganda is used toward even worse ends than it is here, are our problem.

I don't claim to know the solution to all of this. But the current mania is far out of proportion to what history tells us about the ability of Muslims to live in countries they do not dominate, side by side with other people of other religions.

The wacko extremist beliefs have been pumped up in recent decades by the Saudis and maybe others, for reasons I don't understand. That is where our anger (or the UN's) should be directed. Not at all of Islam.

marcus says

om most developed countries of the world countries does nothing to address this

Sure it does! Just like quarantining a colony of lepers addresses the leper problem. If one is cured, miraculously, then maybe they can leave the colony.
In fact, it's the easiest thing: just make a choice not to follow the teachings of an insane, pedophiliac, war-mongering camel jockey and you're "cured!"

The Islamic world is far too large to quarantine.

That kind of thinking is an example of American arrogance.

Quigley says

just make a choice not to follow the teachings of an insane, pedophiliac, war-mongering camel jockey and you're "cured!"

and then the others will try to kill you, since it is islamic law that anyone who attempts to leave must die, preferably in public, as an example to the others.

marcus says

That kind of thinking is an example of American arrogance.

And thinking the Muslims - esp. the Somalis - are going to be instantly transformed into secular normal people simply by moving to the US isn't arrogance?

Retarded strawman.

Btw, I never suggested that there shouldn't be substantial vetting.

marcus says

Btw, I never suggested that there shouldn't be substantial vetting.

How do you vet in a refugee camp, with real but bribed (ie indistinguishable from the real thing, on the right paper with the right stamps after slipping a Syrian Bureaucrat $50) documents? FBI Agents are going to go into Aleppo dodging bullets and artillery fire to interview neighbors and ex-employers cowering in basements - if they're still there are all?

How much will it cost?

Vetting refugee claimants in a civil war is totally impractical.

Daddy Tsarnev's brothers and relatives laughed at his claim they were oppressed. They said Tsarnev watched a lot of Baywatch and thought by moving to the US, he'd get a red sportscar and be famous. The Immigration Service believed his bullshit.

Finally, if they are "Moderate Muslims", wouldn't the worst thing to do would be to send all the non-crazies out to Europe, Canada, and the USA? Then the only people left in Syria would be the Fundamentalists.

Quigley says

Until the whole world recognizes that Islam is a horrible religion that is not to be tolerated, but quarantined like a deadly infectious disease, we will have no peace.

Well said. Thanks.

thunderlips11 says

How do you vet in a refugee camp,

If they believe in the sharia laws, they are terrorists.