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2014 May 1, 12:55am 20,009 views 42 comments
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zzyzzx
2014 May 3, 1:42am
Yeah great idea. So you make more money for your bosses and it "trickles down" to you. I think we ran that experiment, how'd it work out?
It did trickle down, to India, China, Mexico, etc.
tatupu70
2014 May 3, 1:56am
No, that's THEIR problem.... If they decided to be a part of the 20%, instead of the 80% slug group, they would see a change of what trickles down to them...
You've must have grown up at Lake Wobegon. Everyone is in the top 20%!
tatupu70
2014 May 3, 2:03am
It's HIGHLY relevant to your constant whining about income inequality... Your trying to make an argument why corporate profits are so high, but you're not getting your slice.... Poor baby... Step up and be an asset, not a liability, to the company....
See--you always try to make it personal. Please show me where I said anything about not getting my slice. As I've told you many, many times--I'm doing quite well, thank you.
If you'd stop trolling, you might understand that the problem with income inequality is that it kills the overall economy. It's not a fairness issue, it's pragmatic.
And yes, I have ALWAYS designed my own compensation plan since I've been in sales...
Uh huh. I'm sure you have. Where are you working?
tatupu70
2014 May 3, 2:13am
So instead of coming here and whining about it all the time, go change it...
I keep trying, but I only get one vote and idiots like you keep voting for the wrong people.
Like I said, you first have to understand how a business runs before you can grasp this. Go become a 20%er and maybe you'll understand...
Like I said--I'm doing quite well and don't feel the need to brag about it on anonymous internet sites. So, you were saying--where do you work? What do you sell?
Shaman
2014 May 3, 3:20am
The "slugs" as you call them are 80% of the economy, right? And the money doesn't trickle down to them, right? So, that's the problem.
No, that's THEIR problem.... If they decided to be a part of the 20%, instead of the 80% slug group, they would see a change of what trickles down to them...
So what's your "final solution" for the 80% who can't make the top 20%? Death camps? Slavery? Lifelong welfare? Choose one. If you elect to reject the grand majority of humanity, they still exist and must be dealt with.
Keep in mind that rejecting 80% of the people limits your economy severely. I wonder if you understand that widgets and apps have to have buyers or it's meaningless to produce them?
Tenpoundbass
2014 May 3, 4:49am
Higher minimum wage would be doable, if Oil and Gas wasn't manipulated to be about 50 to 60% more than they should be. Oil should still be trading at $35 to $75 a barrel. $75 only when the middle East is rattling their swords, so they use it as an excuse to double the price.
Gas should be under $2.00 a gallon, and at $1.25 to $1.50.
I don't give a fuck what gas costs in Europe or the rest of the world, as their economy, culture, and economy isn't set up, nor dependent on the independence that Oil and Gas low price security depends.
Companies just want to make profits. If gas and Oil is going to only inflate their whole supply chain, from raw materials to production all the way down to shipping and logistics. Then the consumer will pay the price. We're paying for THAT! They had to take some from employees for prices to be what they are now. This was all done in the sham of promoting green energy, which the greedy bastards have made damn sure that there's even a big premium for that.
Liberals really need to get their heads out of their asses, that start thinking like conscious adults, and start thinking realistically. They want nothing but REAL money, and want as much of it as they can get for them selves. But for everyone else, while they think about what people can pay, or what people will receive, they are really thinking about a whole other currency that doesn't even exist, it's more suited in a realm of fantasy economics.
Tenpoundbass
2014 May 3, 4:53am
Free market my Ass.
Free market operates on supply and demand, free market, has Federal regulators to go over the books to make damn sure no body is taking everyone else for a ride. Free markets prohibit monopolies.
Why do I hate Liberal Keynesian corruption, should be the question you should be asking me. And asking your self, how do you sleep at night supporting it?
Automan Empire
2014 May 3, 5:42am
What happens to the costs to the employer when he pays the higher wages??? Those
costs get added to what he is selling, thus raising the product prices, which
means less people can afford it on their new higher min wage
The premise that $1 increase in wage equals $1 increase in the price of produced goods is so outside reality that it calls into question the business knowlege of anyone who makes this claim.
HydroCabron
2014 May 3, 6:02am
What happens to the costs to the employer when he pays the higher wages??? Those costs get added to what he is selling, thus raising the product prices, which means less people can afford it on their new higher min wage...
This logic also works when considering going from $0 per hour to $1.00 per hour for paying workers.
The extra $1 per worker-hour is passed on to the consumer, some of whom are then unable to afford the product, so there is no net benefit.
By your logic, no worker should ever be paid.
I believe there are good arguments against minimum-wage laws, but yours is not among them.
HydroCabron
2014 May 3, 1:03pm
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
Paying people to work is unconstitutional.
America was founded on ownership, such as the right to own people who work for nothing.
And let's not get all crazy about the COMPLETELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL 13th and 14th Amendments.
I have said it repeatedly: The Constitution is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!
Vicente
2014 May 4, 1:23pm
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
And let's not get all crazy about the COMPLETELY UNCONSTITUTIONAL 13th and 14th Amendments.
Man you are using too many big words there and numbers, I just can't follow it.
The problem is not the minimum wage, the problem is jobs.
Also, the laws of supply and demand apply to labor. If the tens of millions of illegal alien workers could not compete for wages, wages would naturally rise on their own.
So because the Democrats want to gain new voters, they support illegal alien workers thereby screwing American labor.
Economic growth and wealth are derived from 1. production 2. innovation
So, you see job growth and wage growth in places that have new production, examples are Texas and N. Dakota oil and gas. They have low unemployment and rising wages. Note: illegal worker labor did not create this situation.
An innovation example could be Silicon Valley or N. California. Again, illegal alien labor did NOT create this innovation or job creation.
92.6 million people are out of the workforce. They are not going to be helped one bit by the govt. mandating a high minimum wage, it's the opposite.
Vicente
2014 May 5, 7:20am
If the tens of millions of illegal alien workers could not compete for wages, wages would naturally rise on their own.
So because the Democrats want to gain new voters, they support illegal alien workers thereby screwing American labor.
RIIIIIGHT it's the Democrats like Meg Whitman who want illegals in their employ. Get back to us, when GOP backs stern measures to raid businesses and penalize employers who hire illegals.
Automan Empire
2014 May 5, 8:08am
So because the Democrats want to gain new voters, they support illegal alien
workers thereby screwing American labor.
Illegal aliens do NOT vote. Neither do a majority of aid recipients. The reward is too distant for the effort and risk involved.
My local ghetto-ass polling places should be CRAWLING with illegals and others collectively referred to off-the-cuff as "typical Obama voters," according to conservatives, but no. It's always mostly seniors voting a straight conservative plank, poll workers fighting to keep their eyelids open, and way more polling stations than voters at any given moment.
My local ghetto-ass polling places should be CRAWLING with illegals and others collectively referred to off-the-cuff as "typical Obama voters," according to conservatives, but no. It's always mostly seniors voting a straight conservative plank, poll workers fighting to keep their eyelids open, and way more polling stations than voters at any given moment
Never confuse ideologues with actual facts or logic.
Get back to us, when GOP backs stern measures to raid businesses and penalize employers who hire illegals.
There were 6 business prosecuted for having illegal aliens on the payroll during the Bush presidency. That's almost 1 a year, pretty stern measures I would say. Certainly all the other employers in the USA were quaking in their boots.
The GOP is so hypocritical about illegals its' just hard to believe. More border patrols (note 80% of the border is solid red states, a little (ok a lot) money for the home boys. You think), more police, more, more. More of everything except the one thing that would work. Putting people who hire illegals in jail. No excuses, no exceptions. Do it and there would be 20 million people walking south inside 6 months. But corporate profits would take a huge hit. Never going to happen.
FortWayne
2014 May 6, 3:06am
My local ghetto-ass polling places should be CRAWLING with illegals and others collectively referred to off-the-cuff as "typical Obama voters," according to conservatives, but no. It's always mostly seniors voting a straight conservative plank, poll workers fighting to keep their eyelids open, and way more polling stations than voters at any given moment.
It's very different in our neighborhood. Out here majority are typical Obama voters, and almost no seniors. You can spot a white voter from a mile away since they'll stand out from the crowd.
tatupu70
2014 May 6, 3:09am
Seems to me it's the liberals that are against the free market with their support of minimum wage increases.
Yep--some also want clean air and clean water.
Communist bastards.
Vicente
2014 May 6, 3:35am
I have a great idea for the GOP.
We haven't had a new Constitutional Amendment in ages.
If you aren't a registered Republican, your vote is reduced to a 3/5th vote.
We can call this the "Southern Compromise".
Automan Empire
2014 May 6, 5:40am
You can spot a white voter from a mile away since they'll stand out from the
crowd.
...Or you could step into my aforementioned polling place. A handful of white elders voting. The hoi polloi of the neighborhood- the so-called typical Obama voters, are 0% represented inside the polling places on election day.
I remember trying to gather signatures and register voters for Prop 215 to legalize cannabis. Lots of people were ready to sign, but would NOT register to vote so their signature would be worse than useless on the ballot petition. The main reasons given for not wanting to register to vote?
I don't want to be on some government list. I don't want to have to serve jury duty.
Vicente
2014 May 6, 2:24pm
I don't want to be on some government list. I don't want to have to serve jury duty.
Oh. I hadn't really thought of that. Well I guess that's the American Way
What's in it for me?
My family taught me to respect Civics 101. Jury duty is a RESPONSIBILITY you should take seriously. There's no compulsory military/civil service here like other countries. All that they ask is you serve for a week or two once in a great while in the justice system. I cannot comprehend the people who spend so much energy thinking of ways to dodge it. 4-5 days every decade or two, BFD! It's the exact same mentality as tax-dodging fatcats.
I got mine, fuck you!
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So yesterday basically looked like a total repeat of what the GOP seems to do over and over again: Vote against legislation that in turn are things that the very demographic they need in order to win are all for. This time its the minimum wage.
In one way I wasn't surprised. The GOP's seemingly blind and inexhaustible appetite to be against most any sort of legislation that serves to benefit the working, middle class , and young fits right in to this latest debate. On the other I couldn't help but wonder if anyone in their party had stopped and thought about what their vote meant for at least 5 seconds.
Think about it: The GOP has even said that a large percentage of those who work in minimum wage jobs are younger, in high school or college or whatnot. I'm not sure that's exactly true, albeit there are many from that age bracket who certainly do. But even if it were, that segment of the population is a very large piece of the demographic the party has failed to attract- in part due to their prior decisions which are equally distasteful to that age group. So in voting against this law they simply helped the Democrats even more by showing younger folks that yup- come 2016 theirs is once again not the party to vote for.
In the end its sort of sad. You would think that after 2 Presidential elections where they lost- the last one with the GOP even saying that they needed to reach out beyond the base- that the message would be loud and clear. Yet all has been forgotten and its back to business as usual with the GOP on the road to their 3rd defeat.
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