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F/A-18E downs SU-22 in Syria : dang obsolete carriers ... again

By Rew   Jun 18, 9:15pm   1 link   752 views   22 comments   watch (0)   quote      

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/06/18/us-navy-fa18e-shoots-down-su22-over-syria.html

"The strike was believed to be the U.S. military's first air-to-air kill involving manned aircraft in nearly two decades"

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1   Quigley   759/764 = 99% civil   Jun 18, 9:23pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Clearly the Syrians were bombing the wrong terrorists! This couldn't be allowed to pass...

2   BlueSardine   690/705 = 97% civil   Jun 18, 9:24pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

The article does not say where the F/A-18E was launched from, relegating the entire thread to the fucking garbage pail.
( it does have a stock photo of a plane launched from an aircraft carrier in the pacific, but this is not the plane nor supposed carrier )

3   TwoScoopsMcGee   1620/1620 = 100% civil   Jun 18, 9:41pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

"The strike was believed to be the U.S. military's first air-to-air kill involving manned aircraft in nearly two decades"

Even if it did fly off a carrier, nobody has suggested Carriers have mysteriously lost their ability to launch aircraft in a threat-free environment.

Also, why aren't we flying out of Turkey (hehehehehe)?

4   Strategist   1793/1798 = 99% civil   Jun 18, 9:53pm  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

"The strike was believed to be the U.S. military's first air-to-air kill involving manned aircraft in nearly two decades"

Well well well. I guess Trump isn't a chicken like Obama.

5   TwoScoopsMcGee   1620/1620 = 100% civil   Jun 18, 10:11pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Looks like they are USMC planes, they could be operating off a carrier, but typically they fly from land bases.

6   BlueSardine   690/705 = 97% civil   Jun 19, 5:08am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

i just wanted a chance to keep the "garbage pail fucking" scenario alive from the 'beat up iwog' thread...

7   Quigley   759/764 = 99% civil   Jun 19, 7:18am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Yah I haven't fucked a garbage can...today!
(Insert inappropriate and juvenile condom joke here)

8   Strategist   1793/1798 = 99% civil   Jun 19, 7:20am  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

Yah I haven't fucked a garbage can...today!

What about a garbage bag? The Burkha brand.

9   Blurtman   507/507 = 100% civil   Jun 19, 7:23am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

We shot down a Syrian plane in their own country?

10   TwoScoopsMcGee   1620/1620 = 100% civil   Jun 19, 7:57am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

How dare the Syrians fly planes in their own country.

Which UN Resolution is Syria Violating?

And to attack moderate Jihadis, those reasonable Al Qaeda affiliates, so unfair.

There's a Russia-US meeting on the 23rd coming up.

11   HEY YOU   889/890 = 99% civil   Jun 19, 9:30am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Didn't Lavrov warn the West? They hit the chess timer. Time might be short.

Strategist,
Fixed it. No thanks necessary.
"I guess Trump[5 time DRAFT DODGER] isn't a chicken like Obama."

It's bad that dumb ass Republican servicemen die for Republican ideology.

12   Heraclitusstudent   266/266 = 100% civil   Jun 19, 11:24am  ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Which UN Resolution is Syria Violating?

Was there a declaration of war?
Syria is a sovereign nation right?

13   Straw Man   606/610 = 99% civil   Jun 19, 11:33am  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

That was a message to Vlad to stop fuck around and finally start fighting ISIS.

14   TwoScoopsMcGee   1620/1620 = 100% civil   Jun 19, 12:52pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Yeah, Syria, WE get to prioritize which insurgent groups trying to overthrow your government you should be bombing first!

15   Quigley   759/764 = 99% civil   Jun 19, 1:13pm  ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

http://ronpaulinstitute.org/archives/featured-articles/2017/june/12/why-are-we-attacking-the-syrians-who-are-fighting-isis/

He's just so right!

"undefined

Just when you thought our Syria policy could not get any worse, last week it did. The US military twice attacked Syrian government forces from a military base it illegally occupies inside Syria. According to the Pentagon, the attacks on Syrian government-backed forces were “defensive” because the Syrian fighters were approaching a US self-declared “de-confliction” zone inside Syria. The Syrian forces were pursuing ISIS in the area, but the US attacked anyway.

The US is training yet another rebel group fighting from that base, located near the border of Iraq at al-Tanf, and it claims that Syrian government forces pose a threat to the US military presence there. But the Pentagon has forgotten one thing: it has no authority to be in Syria in the first place! Neither the US Congress nor the UN Security Council has authorized a US military presence inside Syria.

So what gives the Trump Administration the right to set up military bases on foreign soil without the permission of that government? Why are we violating the sovereignty of Syria and attacking its military as they are fighting ISIS? Why does Washington claim that its primary mission in Syria is to defeat ISIS while taking military actions that benefit ISIS?

The Pentagon issued a statement saying its presence in Syria is necessary because the Syrian government is not strong enough to defeat ISIS on its own. But the “de-escalation zones” agreed upon by the Syrians, Russians, Iranians, and Turks have led to a reduction in fighting and a possible end to the six-year war. Even if true that the Syrian military is weakened, its weakness is due to six years of US-sponsored rebels fighting to overthrow it!

What is this really all about? Why does the US military occupy this base inside Syria? It’s partly about preventing the Syrians and Iraqis from working together to fight ISIS, but I think it’s mostly about Iran. If the Syrians and Iraqis join up to fight ISIS with the help of Iranian-allied Shia militia, the US believes it will strengthen Iran’s hand in the region. President Trump has recently returned from a trip to Saudi Arabia where he swore he would not allow that to happen.

But is this policy really in our interest, or are we just doing the bidding of our Middle East “allies,” who seem desperate for war with Iran? Saudi Arabia exports its radical form of Islam worldwide, including recently into moderate Asian Muslim countries like Indonesia. Iran does not. That is not to say that Iran is perfect, but does it make any sense to jump into the Sunni/Shia conflict on either side? The Syrians, along with their Russian and Iranian allies, are defeating ISIS and al-Qaeda. As candidate Trump said, what’s so bad about that?

We were told that if the Syrian government was allowed to liberate Aleppo from al-Qaeda, Assad would kill thousands who were trapped there. But the opposite has happened: life is returning to normal in Aleppo. The Christian minority there celebrated Easter for the first time in several years. They are rebuilding. Can’t we finally just leave the Syrians alone?

When you get to the point where your actions are actually helping ISIS, whether intended or not, perhaps it’s time to stop. It’s past time for the US to abandon its dangerous and counterproductive Syria policy and just bring the troops home."

16   Rew   759/759 = 100% civil   Jun 19, 1:14pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Strategist says

Well well well. I guess Trump isn't a chicken like Obama.

Trump is an absent commander. He has turned most everything over to the military with very little hand on the wheel at all. His current Intel leadership also has no formal strategy outline for anything they are in right now: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria. Nada. It's all Obama based policy with a big question looming, "Are we doing anything different yet? No? Ok."

Heraclitusstudent says

Was there a declaration of war?

Syria is a sovereign nation right?

We are AUMFing.

No need for declarations of war anymore. We just find whatever tie we want to terrorisim, as somehow being the same groups/idelaogoy that committed 9-11, and bang ... it's legal. (Tim Kaine is trying to limit this with another senate leader. Both are pretty amazed that this is still being used to justify force 17 years on.)

Straw Man says

That was a message to Vlad to stop fuck around and finally start fighting ISIS.

Bssszzzt. Wrong. That was a "Syrian jet, you just bombed our coalition forces in Raqqa, you shall now perish."

Vlad is saber rattling back now, "Hey! Please stop blowing from de skies, ze perfectly good Russian made jets."

More Details Here:
https://theaviationist.com/2017/06/19/u-s-navy-fa-18e-super-hornet-downs-syrian-su-22-near-raqqa-syria-and-here-is-everything-we-know/

"... Carrier Air Wing 8 on board the USS George Bush ..."

17   Strategist   1793/1798 = 99% civil   Jun 19, 2:22pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

Strategist says

Well well well. I guess Trump isn't a chicken like Obama.

Trump is an absent commander. He has turned most everything over to the military with very little hand on the wheel at all. His current Intel leadership also has no formal strategy outline for anything they are in right now: Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria. Nada. It's all Obama based policy with a big question looming, "Are we doing anything different yet? No? Ok."

What do you call the following, if not different:
Sending more troops to Afghanistan.
Supporting Saudis to go after shiite terrorists and Iran.
Shooting down a Syrian jet.

18   drBu   109/109 = 100% civil   Jun 19, 2:46pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

TwoScoopsMcGee says

And to attack moderate Jihadis, those reasonable Al Qaeda affiliates, so unfair.

I believe Syrians attacked Kurds (Syrian Democratic forces=YPG), which are absolutely not Jihadists. Curiously, Kurds are the only faction supported by both Russians and Americans. They have some embedded Russian troops and a lot of embedded American troops near al-Raqqa. For those who want to read Kurdish side of story:

http://en.hawarnews.com/syrian-regime-a-fighter-downed-by-global-coalition/
http://en.hawarnews.com/gen-silo-we-would-use-self-defense-right-against-regimes-attacks/
http://en.hawarnews.com/ypg-spokesman-agreement-made-with-russia/

Links are from website of Syrian Kurds. Perhaps Assad tries to minimize territory which will be controlled by Kurds after Syrian war is over.

19   Straw Man   606/610 = 99% civil   Jun 19, 3:01pm  ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Rew says

Straw Man says

That was a message to Vlad to stop fuck around and finally start fighting ISIS.

Bssszzzt. Wrong. That was a "Syrian jet, you just bombed our coalition forces in Raqqa, you shall now perish."

You failed to see the forest behind the trees

20   BayAreaObserver   724/724 = 100% civil   Jun 19, 5:08pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Russia says will target US jets west of Euphrates. Russia threatened on Monday to "target" US warplanes flying west of the Euphrates River and said it was suspending a hotline designed to prevent accidents in response to the US downing of a Syria jet.

A US fighter jet shot down a Syrian SU-22 on Sunday after the jet had "dropped bombs" near US-backed forces fighting the so-called "Islamic State" (IS), the Pentagon said.

Syria and Russia called the US action a violation of Syria's sovereignty and an act of "aggression."

"Repeated military actions by US aircraft against the lawful armed forces of a United Nations member state, under the guise of a 'fight against terrorism,' are a profound violation of international law and, in fact, military aggression against the Syrian Arab Republic," the Russian Defense Ministry said in a statement.

Russia has aircraft, ground forces and advanced anti-air defenses in Syria in support of the Assad regime.

Speaking in Washington, US General Joe Dunford, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the US would work through diplomatic and military channels to reestablish the deconfliction hotline with Russia.

Meanwhile, Pentagon spokesman, Major Adian Rankine Galloway, said the US had taken "prudent measures to re-position aircraft over Syria" to avoid conflict.

More: http://www.dw.com/en/russia-threatens-to-target-us-warplanes-west-of-euphrates/a-39300452

21   Straw Man   606/610 = 99% civil   Jun 23, 1:21pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

BayAreaObserver says

Russia has aircraft, ground forces and advanced anti-air defenses in Syria in support of the Assad regime.

And loooooooong supply lines with very limited transport capabilities to build up the forces there quickly. They are barely keeping up with supplying what they have on the ground now. Than there is a little thing called Bosphorus which is open now, but who knows...... In short: that cowboy there has waaaay more hat than he has cattle on that particular field.

22   Strategist   1793/1798 = 99% civil   Jun 23, 8:44pm  ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Straw Man says

BayAreaObserver says

Russia has aircraft, ground forces and advanced anti-air defenses in Syria in support of the Assad regime.

And loooooooong supply lines with very limited transport capabilities to build up the forces there quickly. They are barely keeping up with supplying what they have on the ground now. Than there is a little thing called Bosphorus which is open now, but who knows...... In short: that cowboy there has waaaay more hat than he has cattle on that particular field.

Russia is not a superpower anymore. Their economy is the size of Italy. At this point, they are just a wannabe.

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