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Today Trump Became President : Officially Under Investigation

By Rew   Jun 14, 3:32pm   3 links   5,858 views   148 comments   watch (0)   quote      

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/special-counsel-is-investigating-trump-for-possible-obstruction-of-justice/2017/06/14/9ce02506-5131-11e7-b064-828ba60fbb98_story.html?

Happy Birthday Trump!

Edit:
A good look at the legal team that has been assembled. Top notch.
https://www.wired.com/story/robert-mueller-special-counsel-investigation-team

#TrumpIsPresident

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109   joeyjojojunior   Jun 16, 9:10am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The left? What is the left doing? Dems have no power to do anything.

The leakers are all part of Trump's administration. Comey is a lifelong Republican.

110   iwog   Jun 16, 10:27am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

just any guy says

We have a once-in-a-lifetime chance to disrupt the establishment and "deep state", and the Left is too blinded by their own butt-hurtedness having lost the election to care. This is a classic case of cutting off one's nose to spite their face. The Left-wing media has truly brainwashed their base to a point of such severe detriment. It's sad.

This entire paragraph is ridiculous. The "Deep State" is a figment of your imagination. The US Government generally follows public opinion even to the point of absurdity. When it comes to groups that wield too much power, you're talking about billionaires like Donald Trump.

Is the left so brainwash that it doesn't realize Trump is bringing in persecution against marijuana? More government asset seizure? Eminent domain on crack? You Trumpbots never talk about these do you.

111   Rew   Jun 16, 11:30am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

CBOEtrader says

It wouldn't be appropriate to discuss details of a diplomatic meeting such as this. Everyone in the room stated Trump's discussion was prudent.

The meeting was transcribed and noted on the internal WH blotter, for meetings just such as these, where WE the US tries to glean knowledge from foreign diplomats. The notes are widlkey published to the White House itself. But, the White House got a rude shock as our President gave away such crucial information, that there was a rush to strike it from the widely facing record, so the damage could be lessened.

That is what happened.

Trump's mouth is the problem. If you don't see that yet, you have some other agenda.

112   Rew   Jun 16, 11:59am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Preach on Sarah! Preach on!

113   just any guy   Jun 16, 7:34pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

iwog says

The "Deep State" is a figment of your imagination.

You really believe that shadow government does NOT exist here in the US? You be smokin' dope.
iwog says

Is the left so brainwash that it doesn't realize Trump is bringing in persecution against marijuana? More government asset seizure? Eminent domain on crack? You Trumpbots never talk about these do you.

What legislation or executive orders are being considered for all the things you mention?

114   joeyjojojunior   Jun 16, 7:44pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

just any guy says

What legislation or executive orders are being considered for all the things you mention?

The appointment of Jeff Sessions as AG

115   just any guy   Jun 16, 7:46pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

joeyjojojunior says

just any guy says

What legislation or executive orders are being considered for all the things you mention?

The appointment of Jeff Sessions as AG

Ok...small potatoes. What else you got?

116   sagacious1   Jun 16, 8:00pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Trump advocates have good reason to be concerned. It's estimated that up to 90% of circulating bank notes contain traces of cocaine. Presumably, from the sale of the illicit drug trade and use. As result, special allowances to the law have been required as these amounts are enough to be detected by dog-sniffing agents. Theoretically, most anyone walking the street could be prosecuted for drug money laundering. The point is, never underestimate the veracity of a tenacious prosecutor who is following the letter of the law. Everyone is guilty of a crime, and an innocent person is simply a crime that hasn't been attached to them yet.

117   Rew   Jun 16, 11:06pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

sagacious1 says

Trump advocates have good reason to be concerned.

sagacious1 says

The point is, never underestimate the veracity of a tenacious prosecutor who is following the letter of the law.

Couldn't agree more. The team assembled, from what I read, is the type one would assemble to take down a group with broad international business dealings, a web of social connections, and also the type of team that specializes in finding anti-American intent and threats.

I'm not saying they will find any, all, or some of that against the Trump administration. But that is undoubtedly what they are looking for.

To your point: go looking for criminals, likely find criminals. Yes, I would be very concerned.

118   BayAreaObserver   Jun 17, 7:38am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Trump’s Businesses Have A History Of Money Laundering Charges. Robert Mueller, appointed to lead the probe of alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election, is reportedly examining whether or not President Donald Trump’s associates violated money laundering laws. That scrutiny is hardly unfamiliar to Trump, as his business empire has been repeatedly sanctioned for violating those statutes. He even at one point pressed regulators to weaken the rules.

In 1993, the Associated Press reported that two of Trump’s Atlantic City casinos were fined by Treasury Department regulators for “willfully failing to report” transactions involving more than $10,000 — a violation of the Bank Secrecy Act (BSA). Five years later, the department fined Trump Taj Mahal Associates, the company managing the eponymous Atlantic City casino, for violating the same law, which was created in 1970 to help combat money laundering.

More recently, in March 2015, three months before Trump announced his bid for the presidency, regulators fined the same casino $10 million. Trump had severed his relationship with the now-defunct Taj Mahal when he sold it to billionaire investor Carl Icahn in 2016, a move to try and save the casino following a series of bankruptcies. According to a Treasury Department press release announcing the March 2015 charges, the regulator had imposed the penalty “for willful and repeated violations of the Bank Secrecy Act… dating back to 2003” — during the time Trump was running the company.

In a Treasury Department document enumerating the 2015 charges, regulators said Trump Taj Mahal Associates and the Taj Mahal Casino “failed to implement and maintain an effective anti-money laundering program; (b) failed to report suspicious activity related to several financial transactions at the casino; (c) failed to properly file Currency Transaction Reports; and (d) failed to keep appropriate records as required by the BSA and its implementing regulations.”

Congressional Republicans are currently pushing a bill that critics say would complicate federal regulators’ efforts to combat money laundering. While some experts believe the Trump administration will not move to weaken anti-money-laundering regulations, the Trump Organization fought some of those regulations a little more than a decade ago.

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/trumps-businesses-have-history-money-laundering-charges-2552684

And in other developments....Trump Owes Millions To Banks Lobbying The Government. New financial disclosure documents show the president owes 10 creditors at least $315 million — and possibly more than a half-billion dollars

Among Trump’s largest creditors is Deutsche Bank, which has faced requests from Democrats to explain its lending to Trump. Deutsche Bank earlier this month rejected that request.

According to lobbying records, Deutsche Bank in 2017 has been pressing federal officials on "issues related to Dodd-Frank Act reform" and "issues related to the regulation of foreign banks." Trump has pushed to repeal key portions of the Dodd-Frank legislation that was passed in the wake of the 2008 financial crisis.

Trump owes up to $25 million to UBS, according to the financial disclosures. UBS has also been lobbying in 2017 on Dodd-Frank as well as on “proposals to implement a financial transactions tax.”

Trump owes at least $50 million to a shadowy entity called Chicago Unit Acquisition, LLC. Trump’s financial disclosure says that one of his entities, DJT Holdings, owns Chicago Unit Acquisition. Mother Jones recently reported that the arrangement may mean that Trump’s businesses "could owe $50 million and possibly much more to one or more creditors that have not been disclosed to the public."

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/donald-trump-owes-least-315-million-financial-firms-some-which-are-lobbying

119   just any guy   Jun 17, 8:43am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Witch hunt. The establishment is going after anything they can find to get Trump out of office. It's a shame.

120   sagacious1   Jun 17, 9:58am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

The issue is less about the possibility of any criminality discovered, since I feel that's a given. The real issues are: 1.) who will be implicated and to what degree will charges be elevated too. 2.) The perception of this exercise will ultimately have upon the electorate. Clearly it will cement division between Trump supporters and those opposing him.....that's already at play and it will paralyze the administration from carrying out it's agenda. Ultimately though, it runs the risk of many citizens feeling their votes stolen by proxy, and this can be dangerous. Should that occur, civil unrest is almost assured. For anyone seeking to unify the Country and it's people, it's an absolute nightmare scenario.

121   jazz_music   Jun 17, 10:24am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

just any guy says

Ok...small potatoes. What else you got?

Do you have a point, or are you just trying to be difficult? How come after all the public statements and news given to reviving the drug war you don't think it's happening? These links don't take very long to find.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/11/29/donald-trump-adds-another-marijuana-opponent-to-his-cabinet/?utm_term=.d89fc6aa2cf6

http://hightimes.com/news/forget-sessions-meet-the-real-marijuana-enemy-in-donald-trumps-cabinet/

https://thinkprogress.org/under-jeff-sessions-drug-legalization-and-sentencing-reforms-will-go-up-in-smoke-b8e86208d578

122   jazz_music   Jun 17, 10:32am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

123   just any guy   Jun 17, 11:24am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music says

Do you have a point, or are you just trying to be difficult?

My point is that I can handle an anti-drug agenda because I don't do drugs, so I don't care. Do you have another topic, besides "oh no, Jeff Sessions might be tough on drug users", that makes you so butt-hurt that you feel Trump deserves to be investigated of anything and everything?

You perceive me as being difficult because I call bullshit.

124   sagacious1   Jun 17, 11:26am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music says

I don't think there's any question that Sessions views Marijuana as a gateway drug. If that's an issue for you, then you have a legitimate gripe. However, his approach seems to be an attempt to curb the drug problem more universally, and I can't imagine anyone disagreeing there is a significant problem currently. Most of us hear of it in ancillary reports....yet politicians are inundated with requests for help from hundreds of thousands of grieving parents and loved ones who have lost family members in historic proportions to drugs. Are you suggesting his motive is otherwise?

125   just any guy   Jun 17, 11:33am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

It's a classic straw man argument to talk about the guy who has cancer and is only able to cope by smoking marijuana. If the Trump administration is fighting against that scenario, then I 100% agree that that is wrong. However, I just might think that their scope is illegal use of drugs, illegal drug dealing, etc.

126   joeyjojojunior   Jun 17, 11:37am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

just any guy says

jazz music says

Do you have a point, or are you just trying to be difficult?

My point is that I can handle an anti-drug agenda because I don't do drugs, so I don't care. Do you have another topic, besides "oh no, Jeff Sessions might be tough on drug users", that makes you so butt-hurt that you feel Trump deserves to be investigated of anything and everything?

You perceive me as being difficult because I call bullshit.

How about asset forfeiture? How about cops being able to search your vehicle for any reason and then take it.

127   just any guy   Jun 17, 12:13pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

joeyjojojunior says

How about asset forfeiture? How about cops being able to search your vehicle for any reason and then take it.

What about it? Please provide evidence that he's pushing for something draconian here. I'm genuinely interested.

128   joeyjojojunior   Jun 17, 1:31pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

129   Quigley   Jun 17, 1:51pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Considering that over 50,000 people died from opioid overdoses last year, I'd say it's time to get kinda ruthless with that sort of drug abuse! Especially since these are a lot of our nation's youth that are dying far too young. Heroin addiction is absolutely rampant, and can ensnare a youth with just one dose.
It's really not funny at all.

130   joeyjojojunior   Jun 17, 1:52pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

Considering that over 50,000 people died from opioid overdoses last year, I'd say it's time to get kinda ruthless with that sort of drug abuse! Especially since these are a lot of our nation's youth that are dying far too young. Heroin addiction is absolutely rampant, and can ensnare a youth with just one dose.

It's really not funny at all.

And you think throwing users in jail is the way to do it?

131   FortWayne   Jun 17, 3:50pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

I think publicly executing sellers is a way to do it.

joeyjojojunior says

Quigley says

Considering that over 50,000 people died from opioid overdoses last year, I'd say it's time to get kinda ruthless with that sort of drug abuse! Especially since these are a lot of our nation's youth that are dying far too young. Heroin addiction is absolutely rampant, and can ensnare a youth with just one dose.


It's really not funny at all.

And you think throwing users in jail is the way to do it?

132   just any guy   Jun 17, 4:34pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

joeyjojojunior says

And you think throwing users in jail is the way to do it?

Leaving them on the street and letting them continue to deal certainly isn't the right answer. Running away from the problem doesn't make it go away.

133   joeyjojojunior   Jun 17, 4:35pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

just any guy says

Leaving them on the street and letting them continue to deal certainly isn't the right answer. Running away from the problem doesn't make it go away.

How about we try to treat the users?

134   just any guy   Jun 17, 4:38pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

joeyjojojunior says

How about we try to treat the users?

Definitely, but that's only 1 side of the equation. We have to address both the supply and the demand problem because in many cases it's too late for treatment. I believe harsh punishment for drug dealers is absolutely required. I agree that punishment of users shouldn't be ridiculously harsh as it has been.

135   Quigley   Jun 17, 4:41pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

joeyjojojunior says

And you think throwing users in jail is the way to do it?

Yes, until they're clean. Combined with a detox program and counseling. These people are sick and are incapable of making the choice to quit on their own. Instead of letting their illness kill them, we should be compassionate and firm.

136   jazz_music   Jun 18, 3:18pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

just any guy says

We have to address both the supply and the demand problem because in many cases it's too late for treatment.

Where is your evidence that this would ever work? I understand that GOP has been pushing this ever since Nixon got the idea to destroy political effectiveness of hippies and blacks but that is the result along with loss of civil rights to almost everything imaginable and horrific waste of your taxes.

Netherlands has the success story about reducing drug use. Try thinking of that. They are shutting down prisons in Netherlands right now for lack of use not vowing to fill them with marijuana users. States that legalized marijuana use are also showing the greatest success in decline of use.

137   CBOEtrader   Jun 18, 6:10pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Trump officially not under investigation. Glad we figured that out

138   just any guy   Jun 18, 6:47pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music says

Where is your evidence that this would ever work?

Common sense I suppose. I'm not saying we jail users, and I'm fine trying the Netherlands or Portuguese way of handling them. But I'm also saying that the prevalence of drug dealing puts our youth at risk of just trying heroin and then having their lives ruined, regardless of any treatment option. I'd rather stop the opportunity altogether as much as possible.

139   Tenpoundbass   Jun 18, 7:44pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Not only will he be exhonerated a near futre president after Trump will pass a populous vote to expunge that record.
History will report it for the witch hunt that it was. He wont be judged as having been investigated by any competent accusers.

It will be just more shit for Obama's legacy. Funny Mr. Blame-O Lame-Obama will get his jest blame, Mr. 0 scandal president. He hasn't been parsed by the Oliver Stone of 2030 yet.

140   bob2356   Jun 18, 8:22pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

just any guy says

Common sense I suppose. I'm not saying we jail users, and I'm fine trying the Netherlands or Portuguese way of handling them. But I'm also saying that the prevalence of drug dealing puts our youth at risk of just trying heroin and then having their lives ruined, regardless of any treatment option. I'd rather stop the opportunity altogether as much as possible.

If you want to stop the opportunity we should give Afghanistan back to the Taliban. They had opium almost eradicated when we stomped in.

So what new and innovative plan do you have to stop the opportunity? The war on drugs is almost 50 years old and no more successful today than in 1971. If there is demand there will be supply.

There is no way to emulate Portugal's handling of drug use in the US. In Portugal the social, legal, and public health system are closely tied together for treatment for drugs. BTW drug dealing is illegal and drug dealers go to jail in Portugal. .

141   jazz_music   Jun 19, 12:16pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Hey look.

Sage wisdom from the bible, Psalm 109: 8

Let his days be few; and let another take his office
May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow.
May his children be wandering beggars; may they be driven from their ruined homes.
May a creditor seize all he has; may strangers plunder the fruits of his labor.
May no one extend kindness to him or take pity on his fatherless children.

142   Rew   Jun 19, 1:35pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

CBOEtrader says

Trump officially not under investigation. Glad we figured that out

To his lawyer's and Trump's knowledge, they are not under investigation ...


“I don't appreciate you putting words in my mouth when I've been crystal clear that the president is not and has not been under investigation,” Sekulow told Wallace later.
“But you don't know that he's not under investigation, right?” Wallace responded.
“You're right, Chris. I cannot read the mind of the special prosecutor,” Sekulow responded.

;)

143   Quigley   Jun 19, 1:47pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music says

Sage wisdom from the bible, Psalm 109: 8

Let his days be few; and let another take his office

May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow.

May his children be wandering beggars; may they be driven from their ruined homes.

May a creditor seize all he has; may strangers plunder the fruits of his labor.

May no one extend kindness to him or take pity on his fatherless children.

Let's put that quote into context with a few verses that define the people about which David opines:

" For the mouth of the wicked and the mouth of the deceitful are opened against me; They have spoken against me with a lying tongue. They have also surrounded me with words of hatred, And have fought against me without a cause. In return for my love, they attack me, But I am in prayer. They have repaid me evil for good, And hatred for my love.”
‭‭PSALM‬ ‭109:1-5‬ ‭AMP‬‬
http://bible.com/1588/psa.109.1-5.amp

Remind you of anyone?

144   Quigley   Jun 19, 1:48pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Here is the best response to this entire Russia-gate mess.

https://patrick.net/1307381/2017-06-19-hodgkinson-s-disease

145   jazz_music   Jun 19, 1:55pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

Remind you of anyone?

Yes it reminds me of Republican Kansas House Speaker Mike O’Neal who wrote those verses from Psalm 109:8 in an email about Obama.

O’Neal added: “At last — I can honestly voice a Biblical prayer for our president! Look it up — it is word for word! Let us all bow our heads and pray. Brothers and Sisters, can I get an AMEN? AMEN!!!!!!”

146   Quigley   Jun 19, 3:48pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

jazz music says

Yes it reminds me of Republican Kansas House Speaker Mike O’Neal who wrote those verses from Psalm 109:8 in an email about Obama.

Odd that you'd admire this guy's asinine meta-curse so much that you'd attempt to steal it.
Kind of a pansy dodge tho, attributing it to him only after I pointed out the context.

147   jazz_music   Jun 19, 8:00pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Quigley says

Odd that you'd admire this guy's asinine meta-curse so much that you'd attempt to steal it.

Don't you expect sage wisdom from the Bible? Ironic isn't it? Did I say I admired it?

Quigley says

Kind of a pansy dodge tho, attributing it to him only after I pointed out the context.

Does that butt hurt mean your comment doesn't apply if said about Obama?

You never heard about the original incident? That shows it must have not been covered.

148   Rew   Jun 20, 1:24pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Sessions : lawyered up.

Bannon - unconfirmed rumor from the hill : he physically detained/obstructed two female WH staffers from leaving an area, and is now facing criminal charges.

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