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Trump is doing well so far

By someone else   Apr 21, 10:08am   9,234 views   155 comments   watch (0)   quote      

Ended TPP, rightly tried to limit Muslim terrorist visas, increased deportation of illegal illegals (did I mention that they are here illegally?), limited H1b visas which depress US wages.

Health care was too big to deal with so far, but that's far from over.

Still absolutely zero proof of any Russian involvement in Trump's election.

A little disappointed that he fired missiles at Syria in response to gas attacks which Syria probably did not commit, but politically it was brilliant, pointing out the hypocrisy of the press: they complained he was doing nothing about Assad, then he does something and they complain about that as well. Lol, proves the elitist press is indeed the opposition party and absolutely nothing will ever satisfy them. They have no credibility.

Also disappointed that he has not called out Saudi sponsorship of worldwide terrorism.

I give Trump 7 out of 10 for performance so far.

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116   TwoScoopsMcGee   Apr 24, 10:20am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

joeyjojojunior says

Like I said--if cracking down on Wall St. and the banks was one of issues you based your vote on, why did you pick the guy exponentially worse than Obama?

Let's say Trump and Obama are equally bad. What was the other choice to Regulate Wall Street?

HILLARY CLINTON!?!?!?!?! LOL hahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha Snoort hahahahahaha
Bill Weld and the Libertarians ??? hahahahahah

117   TwoScoopsMcGee   Apr 24, 10:23am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

NYT Times over election day:

118   joeyjojojunior   Apr 24, 10:25am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

"Let's say Trump and Obama are equally bad. What was the other choice to Regulate Wall Street?"

You mean, let's lie and pretend they are the same? One regulated Wall St and banks. One is deregulating Wall St. and the banks.

Under no possible conditions could anyone ever say those two statements are the same.

119   TwoScoopsMcGee   Apr 24, 10:26am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

errc says

Why didn't the Democrats reinstate Glass-Steagall in 2009 when they controlled both Houses and the Presidency - they had a clear mandate after the 2008 Election?

Errc, why did the Democrats win in 2008?

Why did they lose in 2009?

120   joeyjojojunior   Apr 24, 10:26am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Clearly the media didn't understand probabilities, dependent variables, and typical margins of errors in Presidential polling.

538 gave Trump ~34% chance of winning. Which was correct.

121   Strategist   Apr 24, 10:33am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

marcus says

About 33%.

Many dImbulbs rightwingers will gleefully tell you that that means they were wrong.

When probabilities are used, both sides are always right. Then who loses?

122   joeyjojojunior   Apr 24, 10:48am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

"Really??? Is that why they were oversampling by YYuuggee margins to try and keep Hillary in the lead in the polls??"

They weren't oversampling as you have been shown over and over. I'm afraid it's a bit too complicated for you to understand.

"Nate was WRONG throughout the complete election cycle, to keep using him as your "benchmark" is foolish."

Nate's opinion that Trump would melt down was wrong. Nate's models, however, were very good and his predictions based on them were well done.

123   TwoScoopsMcGee   Apr 24, 11:05am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Back to the original topic for a second:
KING: The Democratic Party seems to have no earthly idea why it is so damn unpopular

In other words, the Democratic Party has a favorability rating 11 points lower than Pence, nine points lower than Trump, and even one point lower than the GOP.

Their unfavorable rating is 17 points worse than Pence, five points worse than Trump, and four points worse than the GOP.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/king-democratic-party-doesn-unpopular-article-1.2993659?

The Democratic Party is less popular than Trump or Pence.
http://www.suffolk.edu/documents/SUPRC/3_7_2017_tables.pdf

124   errc   Apr 24, 11:10am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

errc says

Why didn't the Democrats reinstate Glass-Steagall in 2009 when they controlled both Houses and the Presidency - they had a clear mandate after the 2008 Election?

Errc, why did the Democrats win in 2008?

Why did they lose in 2009?

I see. The Trumpcucks are reduced to comparing their idol to Bama and Clinton. Why did you answer my question with a question?

125   joeyjojojunior   Apr 24, 11:12am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

"Back to the original topic for a second"

What do you think the original topic is exactly?

126   Quigley   Apr 24, 11:24am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

errc says

Most importantly I vote on Constitutional Rights like Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. This includes Healthcare as the most important one, and protecting the Individual from being harmed by Republican Fascist legislation like Obamacare which was penned by Republicans at The Heritage Foundation, and supported by almost all Republicans.

Let's just examine this statement for accuracy. Constitutional rights like life
-nobody has a right to life. In fact, the mortality rate is and has always been 100%! What you have a right to is due process before the legal system takes away your life.
Liberty
Nobody has a right to that either! And what does it even mean? Freedom to do what you want? For sure that isn't allowed, and especially not guaranteed by any mysterious constitutional right.
Pursuit of happiness? Hah! It is to laugh. You're quoting Jefferson from the Declaration of Independence, not the bloody Constitution!
A right to Healthcare? Not currently, and not constitutionally!

You know, for someone who likes to go around calling people "willfully ignorant," you seem to fit the bill of lading.
Better lay off the pot.

127   Quigley   Apr 24, 11:30am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

joeyjojojunior says

Nate's models, however, were very good and his predictions based on them were well done

I guess you grade for "form" instead of accuracy, adherence to political norms instead of truth. Nate couldn't have been more wrong about everything related to this election.
He was looking at the size of Goliath, his huge spear and sword, and impenetrable armor. He should have been looking at David's sling and the fact that he was deadly accurate with a weapon that could fire nearly as fast as a .45 caliber round. Goliath never stood a chance.

128   joeyjojojunior   Apr 24, 11:49am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

"Sure thing Tatty. Nate had Hillary up in the 80% - 90% range up until the last day or two (when he had his "oh shit" moment). But keep believing the party line... "

Incorrect. Nate had HIllary in the 80% range when she had a 8-9% lead. When the Comey stuff came out and the lead shrunk to 4%, he adjusted the probability accordingly.

"And that would be a lie, as I showed over and over again, the history of all those oversampled polls are here, go refresh your memory:

https://patrick.net/users/Ironman"

The only thing you showed was your lack of understanding.

129   TwoScoopsMcGee   Apr 24, 12:07pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

joeyjojojunior says

What do you think the original topic is exactly?

"Trump is doing well so far"

Being viewed more favorably than the Democratic Party and the Media, his primary detractors, is an indicator of this.

130   TwoScoopsMcGee   Apr 24, 12:11pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

errc says

I see. The Trumpcucks are reduced to comparing their idol to Bama and Clinton. Why did you answer my question with a question?

"Socratic method" and "Comparing among choices".

To repeat, the only viable choice to Trump was $200k+/ Speech Hillary, who earned a total of $22M from her post-SOS 'speaking tour', with heavy appearances at Banks, from Goldman to Itau. Where she explained her "Public and Private Positions on Policies"

https://theintercept.com/2016/10/07/excerpts-of-hillary-clintons-paid-speeches-to-goldman-sachs-finally-leaked/

Oh, I forgot her "Private Position" on Simpson-Bowles:

At a speech for Morgan Stanley on April 18, 2013, Clinton praised the Simpson-Bowles deficit reduction plan — which would reduce corporate tax rates while raising the Social Security age. “But Simpson-Bowles — and I know you heard from Erskine earlier today — put forth the right framework. Namely, we have to restrain spending, we have to have adequate revenues, and we have to incentivize growth. It’s a three-part formula,” she said.

131   joeyjojojunior   Apr 24, 1:24pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

"Namely, we have to restrain spending, we have to have adequate revenues, and we have to incentivize growth. It’s a three-part formula,” she said."

Oh my Gawd! She said she agrees with the idea of reducing spending and incentivizing growth?? SCANDAL!!!!!!!!! SCANDAL!!!!!!!!!

I love that you continue to bring up Clinton, though. You do realize the election was almost 6 months ago, right?

132   Peter P   Apr 24, 2:00pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

I give him a B+/A-. There is still room for improvement.

133   someone else   Apr 24, 3:40pm     ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Peter P says

I give him a B+/A-. There is still room for improvement.

I agree.

134   HEY YOU   Apr 24, 4:07pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Has he got the money for The Wall from Mexico yet?
Is he profiting from his private businesses while being a Big Govt. SOCIALIST.
How much have you paid for his golfing trips?
A+ for fucking the American people.

Trump idiots are in Bliss.
The rest of us are PISSED.

135   Strategist   Apr 24, 4:10pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Patrick says

How much have you paid for his golfing trips?

A+ for fucking the American people.

How much did we pay for Obama's golfing trips?

136   CurrentRuin   Apr 24, 9:02pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Trump does not have an idea of his own. He has two conflicting narratives based on the two camps he keeps in the WH.

The first camp is Steve Bannon and Breitbart. These are populist, nationalist right wingers.They hate TPP, H1Bs, China, baby boomers and wall street. They love the military and middle america.

The second camp is the wall street crowd. Gary Cohn and Jared Kushner. These guys are globalists that do not want to harm anything that will make them more money. They love wall street, want to trade with china and want to keep H1Bs. They're supported by their CEO friends who all they care about is making "shareholders" richer.

Right now Trump is leaning more towards the Globalists in his policy. Yes he's dropped TPP but we do not know what he will replace it with. Everything else is hogwash. He's done nothing with H1Bs, done nothing with health care and is starting a war with North Korea to distract the fact that he's done nothing with china.

I just wish people stopped supporting candidates like they support a basketball team.

137   CurrentRuin   Apr 24, 9:04pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

To me the funniest part is people saying how great he is by not taking a 400K salary. In the meantime Melania is at NY costing tax payers 100k a day. Such fucking idiots.

138   TwoScoopsMcGee   Apr 24, 9:20pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

CurrentRuin says

Right now Trump is leaning more towards the Globalists in his policy. Yes he's dropped TPP but we do not know what he will replace it with. Everything else is hogwash. He's done nothing with H1Bs, done nothing with health care and is starting a war with North Korea to distract the fact that he's done nothing with china.

Yep, and notice how the Media has toned down the Criticism since he bombed Syria and said no sanction removal on Russia.

it's almost as if there is an elite consensus on these things, immune from Democracy.

Or after 8 years of Obama, the banks are even too bigger to fail then they were when he took office.

139   someone else   Apr 24, 9:56pm     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

it's almost as if there is an elite consensus on these things, immune from Democracy.

Yes, the "elite consensus" and how it's immune from Democracy was a major theme of the book "Listen Liberal!"

https://patrick.net/1305081/2017-04-17-the-9-and-their-alliance-with-the-1-destroyed-the-democratic-party

Trump slipped past the elite consensus that could never be elected, and it's a joy to behold if for that reason alone. Democracy actually worked, briefly, in spite of the elite's best efforts to undermine it.

140   Peter P   Apr 24, 9:58pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Looks like voters in France and Netherlands are not ready to think outside of the box.

141   BayArea   Apr 25, 4:43am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

CurrentRuin says

I just wish people stopped supporting candidates like they support a basketball team

Spot on

142   joeyjojojunior   Apr 25, 5:37am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

"Trump slipped past the elite consensus that could never be elected, and it's a joy to behold if for that reason alone. Democracy actually worked, briefly, in spite of the elite's best efforts to undermine it."

The problem with this argument is you assume people are against Trump because he's not "one of the elite". When, in fact, people are against him because he's proven to be a complete buffoon at every opportunity. His last interview with AP was so incoherent that parts of it couldn't even be transcribed. Idiocracy, indeed.

143   BlueSardine   Apr 25, 5:55am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike   quote    

80% of the people who voted trump already know this.
You have a hard time focusing on the fact the reason he is in office is to throw a wrench into the machine, for better or worse.
Decades and decades of the same deep state shit ain't cuttin it anymore...

joeyjojojunior says

The problem with this argument is you assume people are against Trump because he's not "one of the elite". When, in fact, people are against him because he's proven to be a complete buffoon at every opportunity. His last interview with AP was so incoherent that parts of it couldn't even be transcribed. Idiocracy, indeed.

144   BlueSardine   Apr 25, 5:57am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Excellent.
For once a person in charge without a deep state agenda...
Expect the worst, but hope for the best.

CurrentRuin says

Trump does not have an idea of his own.

145   joeyjojojunior   Apr 25, 6:04am     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike   quote    

"You have a hard time focusing on the fact the reason he is in office is to throw a wrench into the machine, for better or worse"

When does the wrench throwing start? Because he looks just like the typical Republican to me. Tax cuts for the rich. Doing corporate America's bidding--removing regulation, lowering corporate tax rates. Am I missing all his tear down the system work?

146   marcus   Apr 25, 6:12am     ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Patrick says

Democracy actually worked, briefly, in spite of the elite's best efforts to undermine it.

Your definition of "the elite" is far far different than mine. In my world the elite won this election like they've never won before. You're still drooling over the shell of the trojan horse, and the elite (the very worst of the elite) have climbed out of the belly of that trojan horse for everyone to see as you scream repeatedly, YAAAAY,....BRAVO,...AWESOME,....THIS IS SO COOL !!!!

147   HEY YOU   Apr 25, 10:14am     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

Don't boycott Republican elites.
BOYCOTT ALL Republicans!

148   PeopleUnited   Apr 27, 10:02pm     ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote    

Patrick says

Lashkar_i_Trumpi says

it's almost as if there is an elite consensus on these things, immune from Democracy.

Yes, the "elite consensus" and how it's immune from Democracy was a major theme of the book "Listen Liberal!"

https://patrick.net/1305081/2017-04-17-the-9-and-their-alliance-with-the-1-destroyed-the-democratic-party

Trump slipped past the elite consensus that could never be elected, and it's a joy to behold if for that reason alone. Democracy actually worked, briefly, in spite of the elite's best efforts to undermine it.

True. Also more evidence that democracy can be ugly. Elected officials are just the product of legitimized mob rule. The best form of government? Perhaps, until the mob goes off the deep end. I think that the mob got it right this time in the choice between a lying narcissist and Hilary Clinton. But who's to say that democracy always gets it right?

149   someone else   Apr 27, 11:28pm     ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote    

marcus says

Your definition of "the elite" is far far different than mine.

True. I'm talking about the media and academic elite (the 9%) which despises the middle of the country.

https://patrick.net/1305081/2017-04-17-the-9-and-their-alliance-with-the-1-destroyed-the-democratic-party

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