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Blurtman says

If you feel that way, perhaps you could write a check for the woman

If you paid all your life into medicare-you should get better care and not the same as some bum who was on welfare and gets the same care. You have paid into the system for decades and should get proportional care.
Pull the bums of the medicare/Medicaid and you pay for them.

anonymous says

The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 signed into law in February 2006 put a little crimp into things for a whole lot of people and most won't figure it out until it's too late.

So Dubya was the biggest socialist of all?

Dan8267 says

From a judge or a jury? Never trust a judge. Always get a jury.

Jury isn't always better Dan. Everyone has their biases, difference is only in numbers. Judge 1 bias, jury... whole bunch of collective bias.

Elliemae, thank you so much for sharing that. When I get home tonight I'm gonna print out a copy and put it into our estate binder.

lostand confused says

Pull the bums of the medicare/Medicaid and you pay for them

I think you may mean people who have never worked a day in their lives, including their spouses as well. I am not too sure how many people there are like that. Elderly immigrants are likely in that group, I suppose. But your main argument is that you should pay your way, I believe. So if you paid into Medicare your whole life, and then required care that exceeded the appreciated value of what you paid in, I guess it is out in the streets time, and no more care for you, granny.

Blurtman says

I guess it is out in the streets time, and no more care for you, granny.

if that is the way it works, it should be for the bums too and they should be asked to pay on their own dime. Insurance does nto work that way, you pay a premium and if you get sick, then the insurance company pays for it. They do not come and take your house and all your assets, if it goes more than your premiums. Bums on the other hand get a free ride for life.

elliemae says

The bottom line here is simple: Don't sign the admission paperwork for a patient in a nursing home. If the patient is able to sign for themselves, have them do so. If not, it's not your responsbility to sign the paperwork.

What if the elderly person in question can't take care of themselves and doesn't want to go into the nursing home?

FortWayne says

Jury isn't always better Dan. Everyone has their biases, difference is only in numbers. Judge 1 bias, jury... whole bunch of collective bias.

In a random sampling, having 12 decision makers with biases is better than having 1 decision maker with biases because in the set of 12 the biases conflict with one another.

zzyzzx says

What if the elderly person in question can't take care of themselves and doesn't want to go into the nursing home?

Zzyzzx, and elliemae will correct me if I'm wrong and I might be, it has something to do with billing for "Rehab".

Basically, if it's not Rehab, nursing home entry generally won't be paid for by medicare.

That's why you see 85 year olds with terminal illnesses, who would like to spend the next few months at home, denied Home Health Aides and forced to stay in a nursing home.

thunderlips11 says

zzyzzx says

What if the elderly person in question can't take care of themselves and doesn't want to go into the nursing home?

Zzyzzx, and elliemae will correct me if I'm wrong and I might be, it has something to do with billing for "Rehab".

Basically, if it's not Rehab, nursing home entry generally won't be paid for by medicare.

That's why you see 85 year olds with terminal illnesses, who would like to spend the next few months at home, denied Home Health Aides and forced to stay in a nursing home.

Perhaps I should rephrase the question. I know somebody who put their demented Mom in assisted living (dementia ward in assisted living). Her Mom keeps asking when she can go home, but she is too mad off to be taken car of at home because the dementia is bad enough that she needs 24/7 babysitting type of thing. It's my guess that the Mom didn't sign any paperwork. At the moment it's more of a theoretical question since they do have another 3.5 years of long term care insurance to burn through before it really becomes a problem, and at that point the person in question will be something like 88 or 89 and hopefully dead..

Ironman says

She most likely gave Power of Attorney and Healthcare Directives to one the kids, which gave them the power and control to make that medical decision for her.

True, that did happen, but then doesn't that pretty much automatically make the kid liable?