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jazz_music says

Trump fanned fears and rode anger into power.

Let me rephrase it:
Trump fanned justifiable fears that blue-collar workers are out of jobs and luck and rode their anger into power. The other candidate thought that her $MILLION book deals mean that country is doing just fine.

jazz_music says

"More than half of today's Klans formed in the last three years."
--US News

In 2015, the overall number of organized hate groups spiked from 784 the year before to 892. In 2015, the top five states with the most hate groups were Texas, California, Florida, Tennessee, and Pennsylvania
--CS Monitor

What's the membership numbers like.

If they were going from a few thousand to a million, you'd be pumping them. But they aren't.

jazz_music says

People are exhibiting a real short memory for White Extremist violence incidents.

How many cops were killed in Dallas by a BLM Symp a few years ago?

How many gays were killed by the son of an Afghan refugee who claimed allegiance to ISIS/AQ?

Hey, guess what?

Fuck you Donald Trump
Fuck you FIFA
Fuck you US Soccer
Fuck you, all men everywhere
Fuck you, haters
Fuck you, misogynists
Fuck you, homophobes
Fuck you, bigots everywhere.

The #USWNT are back-to-back champions.

— Bailey Sparklefists 🌈 (@BaileyGrey789) July 7, 2019

"The Decline of Empathy".

Also, no matter how much lesbians (pretty much the only women's sports watchers) complain, nobody gives a fuck about women's sports outside of their family.

jazz_music says

porkchopexpress says

The way to transform yourself into human garbage is to care only about getting more money.

Very True.

Also true: the way to transform society into garbage is to enact socialism, annihilating the incentive to produce, innovate, and excel, bringing the standard of of living down for everyone. Yes, we will be "more equal" when it comes to 1 specific metric, but life got much worse for the vast majority, and life got better only for a tiny minority. As time goes on, even the minority will suffer.

The rate at which we grow matters. A homeless person likely enjoys a better standard of living today, than a typical working person from 300 years ago. Socialism, in the rare case that the country actually works, grows much slower than capitalism. Everyone gets lifted with our advancements. I think it's critical that govt policies focus on incentivizing people to behave in ways that are beneficial to society.

If you give everyone free shit, the rate of production and innovation will greatly fall.

We have a pretty good brand of capitalism IMO. Capitalism and free markets are our default, but in cases where it works badly for some people, we step in via govt and help people. I think we have good welfare and social programs, and they will continue to evolve and improve. I'm always eager to find ways to help people help themselves, creating systems that naturally incentivize and disincentivize things that form a better society at scale.

IMO Socialism is mostly appealing to those who react on emotion, lack key scientific skills such as analysis, critical thinking, and economics, and often use mostly short term thinking. Hugs and rainbows do not form a good substituent for economics.

jazz_music says

Trump fanned fears and rode anger into power. All radio voices like Limbaugh and TV voices on Fox fan the same fears and hatred while ridiculing any opposition. TOTAL PROPAGANDA, LIES, DISINFORMATION ALL CONTRIVED TO MAKE AUDIENCES FEEL SMARTER WHILE ACTUALLY BECOMING DUMBER. --PROVEN FACTS HERE!

Very True.

Also true: CNN and other left wing media has been doing the same. Identity politics is a vile scourge.

You are a goddamn fool if you think somebody is gonna care about you more than you do. Empathy isn't giving handouts, it's teaching people how to bootstrap themselves.

www.youtube.com/embed/elrnAl6ygeM

epitaph says

You are a goddamn fool if you think somebody is gonna care about you more than you do. Empathy isn't giving handouts, it's teaching people how to bootstrap themselves.

www.youtube.com/embed/elrnAl6ygeM

That's right - but it's actually fairly easy to give somebody enough empathy to accept their different point of view on something. Doesn't cost you much if at all - only the triggered left can't do it.

jazz_music says

Hircus says

CNN and other left wing media has been doing the same.

BULLSHIT.

When did any of them make up shit?

The more common tactics are to "conveniently" mislead viewers (aka "oops"), or to "conveniently" leave out key details in a story that just happens to significantly change the story, allowing it to fit their narrative. Also, choosing to cover certain stories, or to skip them, is another form of dishonesty and misrepresentation of the truth. Also, another one of their favorites is to recklessly run stories frontpage, with the agenda amplification knob turned to 100 when the story is new, and facts are scarcer. Then, as the truth emerges, retractions are put on the backpage, if any. The net result is lots of people see the first story, and very few see the retraction. This is very much intentional, and works incredibly well with our current system of news aggregators which wont float low volume stories to the top, where anyone would see them.

I see it often. If you really care, you would make it a point to follow both left and right wing news out of an honest desire for the truth. It seems like you don't if you genuinely think CNN is isn't a dishonest propaganda outlet who quietly poisons the water.

It's easy enough to search https://www.bing.com/search?FORM=INCOH2&PC=IFJ1&PTAG=ICO-c9d0fc87&q=cnn%20caught%20lying

Remember the Covington scandal CNN orchestrated? That one was huge. In fact, they're being sued for it right now. You may even still think it was real.

Or, here's an arbitrary one I'm not familiar with, but the vid seems self sufficient enough:
www.youtube.com/embed/Hak8WM3AT30
Watch the end where they show the orig clip w/ the kid saying murderers, then rewind to the beginning and watch the blonde CNN Shill deflect and carefully and confidently choose her words to trick her viewers into thinking the accusations are false. A court might say she didn't technically lie, but she accomplished the very same thing.

Also, back in Nov or whenever the first caravan happened and it was all over the news, I watched that unfold. I watched MANY different news outlets, and it was my opinion that CNN was playing the games I described above. The would cover certain things, and skip others. Even worse, they would quote statements from interviews, leaving out the statements that revealed the truth about why the illegal immigrant child died (the father specifically said it wasnt the border patrols fault), but CNN ommitted that statement, even though they quoted other statements he made at the same time, and this allowed them to maintain the public outrage. They let that run for 1 or 2 more days before they finally ran another story which revealed that the child was NOT withheld water, food, and medical attention like they had been saying, and like the father had said. It was gross propaganda. CNN just couldn't resist - the primary elections were unfolding if I recall, so they had to vilify the evil republicans for things they didn't do.

I'm being serious here. I'm not saying that I think the left wing media lies and the right doesn't, nor am I trying to imply one lies more than the other. They both lie, a lot. I AM SAYING that if you don't realize that, you should wake up. I feel that watching just left, or just right, makes one see a very, very false reality.

edit - oh, wasnt that you who posted a vid that tried to lie about the size of trumps crowd at 4th of july, saying it was small, and showing a crowd that was misleadingly small? And, I showed you the real pic?

jazz_music says

Nobody runs around through life with a fact checker so they're in making you feel not only smarter but smug too while being full of outrageous lies.

Reality is that life of blue-collar workers suck. Every other candidate told them that this is their fault and they need to "learn to code", which is preposterous. Trump tapped into their anger and got elected. I do not think Trump will make their life better, but he at least pretended to care.

d6rB says

jazz_music says

Nobody runs around through life with a fact checker so they're in making you feel not only smarter but smug too while being full of outrageous lies.

Reality is that life of blue-collar workers suck. Every other candidate told them that this is their fault and they need to "learn to code", which is preposterous. Trump tapped into their anger and got elected. I do not think Trump will make their life better, but he at least pretended to care.

Agreed and Trump did make their life better, the economic data doesn't lie. Having a job and self worth or not can mean everything for a displaced cis white straight fucking male who just wants to care for his family and who has been hated on by the leftoids on a daily basis. Trump is a breath of fresh air.

As of 2016, the Anti-Defamation League puts total KKK membership nationwide at around 3,000. This is an utterly insignificant number and there will always be a few marginal lunatic idiots, courtesy of way how human brain works. I am not sure how we would be able to bring their number to 0, which obviously would be preferable.

SPLC was recently outed as not being exactly trustworthy, I will take Anti-defamation number.

Don't blow a fuse, it's just logical. Occam's razor says there's a 99.999999% chance that Trump bettered their lives economically, and a less than 0.000001% chance that Trump voters suddenly became overnight white supremacists and are voting in hope for the next Hitler and concentration camps. That would be an exceptional case of mass hysteria. Also there are more and more hispanics and blacks voting for Trump, without their vote he could not have won in 2016. How do you explain that? More mass hysteria, they want to deport themselves into concentration camps by voting for ZOMG! literally Hitler? Come on, you possibly can't believe that.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

The 13th Amendment was illegally imposed.

Therefore the KKK is merely standing up for property rights of the disenfranchised plantation owners who were denied the fruits of their assets' labor, exactly as the Founding Fathers commanded.

It's crap but amendments can't be thrown away, can they? Only deactivated by new amendments or so. Nobody advocates for the 13th amendment. Not on patnet and not everywhere else, except for a few kkklansmen maybe.

This is the bestest idea all year!

Over the holiday I was at my uncles house discussing my dad buying a sofa bed. Never typed anything in. About 30mins in I realized that bitch was listening to me so I told her to go to sleep. I've been getting sofa bed adds for the past 3 days.

Somebody needs to kill it.

It’s just creepy isn’t it?

On many occasions I’ll be discussing a topic, and over the next few days get bombarded with ads for that topic.

jazz_music says

Nationwide, there are still an estimated 3,000 Klan members and unaffiliated people who "identify with Klan ideology," according to the ADL. Membership, though, remains spread across dozens of groups. The largest Klans reportedly don't have more than 50 to 100 active members, and most have fewer than 25.

320+ million people. 320+ million people. 320+ million people. Fucking 3,000 of them are a concern? You'd literally have an easier time finding a legit needle in a haystack versus a public encounter with a KKK member. Explain why this is a problem? And then why this isn't a problem in your world? https://heyjackass.com

3,000 poor white trash people "talking" about "niggers" and you've got a city where they just shoot each other all the time? I'm sure the klan is to blame for this problem, right? Your priorities and faux outrage are so misdirected it's not even funny anymore. You are the symptom to a societal problem with the fact you've even posted anything about the kkk. Make them relevant. You just posted a screen shot of a graphic for kkk annual flier distribution for what? What's the end goal? Flier distribution?

WookieMan says

3,000 poor white trash people "talking" about "niggers"

More people ate tide pods. There are 5 times as many members of the church of Satan. There are more members in that NXIVM sex trafficking club than KKK members.

KKK is as irrelevant as a group could be.

Yet, during the 2016 election cycle the KKK got more press per member than the Golden State Warriors.

Propaganda much?

Still going to need that KKK landing page and sign up sheet. What you saying that the KKK is now a secret society of Bat Man Billionaires and don't need active fund raising and new membership drive?

BayArea says

It’s just creepy isn’t it?

On many occasions I’ll be discussing a topic, and over the next few days get bombarded with ads for that topic.

What did you expect? After all, you hooked up an ear that is on the Internet 24/7. May want to think twice about hooking up cameras to protect from burglars.

I have no idea why anyone would voluntarily put an Alexa in their home. Might as well install a spy cam in your bedroom with a hard link to the internet.

Jazz really why are you spreading misinformation? Do you honestly believe that in 2020 the KKK are a REAL Threat?

A fucking Senator can't even eat in peace in a fucking public Restaurant without being harassed and chased off. And the Police will just sit there and watch and not do a damn thing about it. NOW If there really were KKK(Of course there are KKK, but I mean if they were Trump supporters like you are fantasizing about) wouldn't the Soros ANTIFA Army harangue them and make their life difficult? I mean if your chart there has actual counts of groups, then they must know where they are. Why hasn't Open Borders Society sent the Antifa there to fuck their shit up. Why hasn't a zealot Liberal Congress critter called them to Congress to testify? There are so many fucking what IF's I could do this for hours.

One thing for sure, the Antifa are hell bent on suppressing Trump supporters and give three shits about the KKK real, invented or otherwise? Where is the KKK Doxing, and violent threats against them?

Either give a real honest answer to these questions, or I'm going to have to write you off to the realm of HeyYou, and not take one thing you say seriously.

Tenpoundbass says

Jazz really why are you spreading misinformation? Do you honestly believe that in 2020 the KKK are a REAL Threat?

Desperation. What will the Left's platform be if there's truly little to no racism from White people?

Some people fantasize about the KKK returning so they can be victims and have a legit reason to cry.

www.youtube.com/embed/7nPy-wqipCc

@Patrick -
ad bots here!

They yell 'lawsuit money, lawsuit money' to get the attention of their minority 'victims', who are customarily too engaged beating on and shooting each other.

WookieMan says

jazz_music says

Nationwide, there are still an estimated 3,000 Klan members and unaffiliated people who "identify with Klan ideology," according to the ADL. Membership, though, remains spread across dozens of groups. The largest Klans reportedly don't have more than 50 to 100 active members, and most have fewer than 25.

320+ million people. 320+ million people. 320+ million people. Fucking 3,000 of them are a concern? You'd literally have an easier time finding a legit needle in a haystack versus a public encounter with a KKK member. Explain why this is a problem? And then why this isn't a problem in your world? https://heyjackass.com

3,000 poor white trash people "talking" about "niggers" and you've got a city where they just shoot each other all the time? I'm sure the klan is to blame for this problem, right? Your priorities and faux outrage are so misdirected it's no...

Crickets.... Just start a new thread I guess?

d6rB says

@Patrick -
ad bots here!

Lol, yup. These SOB's spring up from time to time. Just like our bitcoin bot with a human "watcher" so to speak.

No Pick up trucks? Not very authentic looking to me. That one guy has baggy pants and his hat is on sideways, and three of them in the back have their faces exposed.

Is this from the movie set Blackkk? I bet they got years of hoax footage from that production.

jazz_music says

Jobs are scarce.

Wrong. Jobs are plentiful. Everyone has a job if they want one and can actually do productive work. There are help wanted signs everywhere, more than I’ve seen before ever!
Sinecures are what are hard to find. If you want a “job” that pays you to do nothing, you do need to be pretty well connected. Most of those are doing silly stupid shit like “diversity officer.”

Upton Sinclair said it best when he wrote “it’s impossible to convince a man of a truth when his job requires that he remain ignorant of it.”
You’ve been given enough opportunities to learn the truth. I can now deduce that you are working for the Left in some specious capacity.

jazz_music says

don’t look at what’s happening in Austria and say it couldn’t happen here; it already is.

I hope you’re right.

Well how come the Antifa don't stop them, and Congress doesn't haul them in for a hearing?

jazz_music says

Radical white-supremacist terrorists have already carried out and will inevitably continue to attempt mass murders of Jews, Muslims, Latinos, immigrants, and other “undesirables,” both here and in other countries.

Muslims most certainly win in body count by a huge margin. Why does no one in collective Left (or very, very few - with exception of may be Bill Maher) say much about that?

Old article. The same author posted one a couple weeks ago that’s slightly more relevant.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/mind-in-the-machine/201906/why-is-trump-so-popular

In the older article you posted, the author makes many many MANY assumptions and claims that are provably false. His first points are fair, if presented in a very biased way, but slide down into absolute ridiculous lies toward the end of his silly list.

The second article he purports to analyze Trump’s analytical ability and contrast that with his intuition. After doing some extremely sketchy pop psychology “science” using media clips (yah I know, it’s what gives psychologists a bad name), he asserts that the Donald is practically an imbecile when it comes to analytics. Then he asserts that his intuition is high but doesn’t say how he knows this. Then he denigrates the value of intuition as unscientific and in enlightened.

Robert Heinlen wrote that “Intuition is the result of the most sophisticated sort of thinking.” It’s that “gut” feeling we get when we can’t explain how we know something but we just do. It’s a survival mechanism that pairs our subconscious mind with our conscious mind to establish a visceral certainty that must be acted upon.

As human beings in a chaotic and unpredictable world, we don’t usually get much data about each decision we have to make, leaving us to make a best guess about many choices. The subconscious mind which controls our autonomic functions (like digestion, heart rate, muscle memory, etc) is very powerful and is always taking note of sensory input. The conscious mind might be engaged fully in watching a show or considering a solution to a problem or typing out a response on the internet, but the subconscious mind is monitoring the situation. When it comes to a conclusion based on a dozen small clues that our conscious mind didn’t notice, it provides that certainty to us in the form of an autonomic response. If you believe something in your heart, you have to act on it. And your subconscious mind is your “heart.” If it believes that there is an intruder in your back yard, it’s going to act on that belief. Your heart rate will spike, your muscles will tense, digestion gets put on pause, and adrenaline courses your veins.
That’s intuition.
But there are subtler forms where the new belief doesn’t require a flight or fight response. Maybe you just know that grandma’s health is failing fast and she won’t last the night. Maybe you just know that your wife is cheating on you even though you haven’t actually caught her. Maybe you just know that letting Transgenders compete as “women” in the Olympics is a fucking terrible idea that will ruin the event.

Logic and reason can be applied to justify any sort of position. We can lie to ourselves and each other in creative ways, proving that up is down and black is white.
But you can’t lie to your heart. That’s why intuition is more valuable than logic when it comes to finding Truth.
If the Donald relies heavily on intuition, it would explain why he so often gets right to the heart of any matter in record time.

jazz_music says

I get pissed at myself for bothering to answer you.

Can you answer me?

WookieMan says

WookieMan says

jazz_music says

Nationwide, there are still an estimated 3,000 Klan members and unaffiliated people who "identify with Klan ideology," according to the ADL. Membership, though, remains spread across dozens of groups. The largest Klans reportedly don't have more than 50 to 100 active members, and most have fewer than 25.

320+ million people. 320+ million people. 320+ million people. Fucking 3,000 of them are a concern? You'd literally have an easier time finding a legit needle in a haystack versus a public encounter with a KKK member. Explain why this is a problem? And then why this isn't a problem in your world? https://heyjackass.com

3,000 poor white trash people "talking" about "niggers" and you've got a city where they just shoot each other all the time? I'm sure the klan is to blame...

jazz_music says

I don't need to comment on EVERY subject.

That is true - but the lesson I have learned is that most important subjects are more worth discussing. In this case body count is probably good approximation for importance.
Also, I have observed that while majority (not all) of the collective Right distance themselves from KKK etc, very few in collective left distance themselves from Islamic terror and their breeders, Antifa, etc.

jazz_music says

Neighborhoods are getting canvassed with KKK fliers such as pictured in plastic baggies along with candy.

You fully understand that it's people trolling their neighborhoods to get people up in arms just like you are, right? Active and open racism is basically a thing of the past. It will never go away completely, that's impossible. You've inflated the numbers to 20k now too. Who cares? That's statistically an anomaly for a country with the population of the US. You're getting upset over something that is a fraction of a fraction. We need to stop that. Blacks specifically harm each other at an alarming rate and you're worried about some fucking hillbilly's "acting tough" about skin color.

TDS has been hitting Jazz hard lately, was it seing all the American flags for July 4th everywhere?

jazz_music says

WookieMan says

You fully understand that it's people trolling their neighborhoods

You make no sense

you make no sense jazz. stop reading crazy stuff on left wing sites.