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I'm so old I remember when the Brits thought jogging was a demented, ridiculous fashion of the slope browed United States.

Patrick says

I'm really enjoying the salt I made by boiling two gallons of seawater for about a day. I got maybe 3/4 of a pint of salt from that.

The flavor is definitely much better than table salt, but I don't know why.

You had to boil the water for 12 or so hours? What's the cost to make that amount of salt?

Yes, it took a long time to boil down the water. I figure at least $10 in gas on the stove.

I think the industrial way its done is by putting seawater in large shallow holding pools(?) and letting the sun/heat evaporate the water leaving the salt to sweep up, so to speak.

Tenpoundbass says

You call it jogging I call it running around

LOL! When I was a kid and lost my virginity the chick told her parents she was going out jogging.

Patrick says

I'm really enjoying the salt I made by boiling two gallons of seawater for about a day.

I'm 2 days into a beef bone boil at 170F. Tomorrow 185F so it falls apart.

GNL says

I think the industrial way its done is by putting seawater in large shallow holding pools(?) and letting the sun/heat evaporate the water leaving the salt to sweep up, so to speak.

If you fly over the SF bay you'll see some. Hayward toward South bay. Unless they were cleaned up by now?

Patrick says

I enjoy running, usually feel really good after it.

I use a NordicTrack ski exerciser for the cardio, but it does not have the outdoor ambience that your running has. For that, I do bicycling. No joint injuries so far as no real impact with either.

Running really works for me. When my first son was born 15 years ago I went from 210 down to 175 by running and eating a balanced diet. I would run 6 days per week 5 to 8 miles per day. It worked for me back then.

I developed sciatica pain in 2015 from running so much. A Chiropractor basically told me that I needed more muscle to support my hips and legs. Dead lifts saved me.

Now I run a 5k about 4 times per week after a session of deadlifts, squats and push ups to warm up. No more pain and the weight stays off. Running gets rid of anxiety for me and it's better than eating and having beers all the time.

AmericanKulak says

Running is the worst exercise for heavy people trying to lose weight, esp if they were sedentary.

I'd agree with that for sure. The other thing is history with other athletics. I was a multiple time all state athlete and trained my ass off. Never tore anything, but my knees are shot so running isn't in the works for me. I can knock out a one off 5k here and there if the wife asks. I feel like pure shit though afterward. So probably my bias against running.

I just see people doing it almost daily and they don't look healthy. Some runners are thin, but they likely would be that way without running. Not looking for the comment but I think someone said swimming. Bingo for the win. Literally is the best exercise you can get. Low impact on the body with maximum results. Lifting heavy weights is how you get injured. I know a guy that's basically in a wheel chair at 48(ish) after years of heavy lifting. His back is shot. Crippled basically.

WookieMan says

I can knock out a one off 5k here and there if the wife asks. I feel like pure shit though afterward.

Would you do a 5k without training in advance of the race? If so, that could be part of the problem.

Agree about swimming, but you can run anywhere.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Would you do a 5k without training in advance of the race? If so, that could be part of the problem.

Agree about swimming, but you can run anywhere.

I don't train for anything anymore. I can still knock out a sub 25m 5k without a doubt. Not fast at all, but sill fast for not doing a damn thing. I'll just feel like shit. The problem is even with training I'll feel like shit daily. I don't have the knees for running.

Honestly if you have an hour a day just walk 3 miles. It doesn't have to be running. Just gotta move. Maybe do some light lifting of some sort. I'm anti heavy lifting if that hasn't been noticed. It's not good for you. Good women are NOT attracted to huge muscle. It's not sustainable. Lean, thin and fit. You'll get injured and end up fat and ugly going the heavy route. This is fact 9 out fo 10 times from the people I know. A few can maybe pull it off. It's rare.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

lol. Don't have 'em but you know that hurts.

just_passing_through says

I'm 2 days into a beef bone boil at 170F. Tomorrow 185F so it falls apart.

Is that how bone stock is made?

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Half-way into a marathon these puppies will be slapping her knees. 👹

Patrick says

Is that how bone stock is made?

Correct. You can make a rolling boil which emulsifies and isn't clear or just get it up to temp with a blip here and there and it'll stay clear. Lower temp takes a lot longer.

Also, with respect to time: The longer you simmer bones etc., like this the more histamine is created which some are sensitive to.

I make my own so I don't have to buy those milk boxes of stock that are full of crap or maybe even worse, bullion cubes.

Keeps the air moist indoors in winter and since I left CA I now have a large chest freezer in the garage I'm freezing quarts of stock in.

Emulsified stock is used in Korean soups and Japanese Tonkatsu broth. Most Euro-based recipes look for the clear stuff, the French in particular. (Frog onion soup for example)

RWSGFY says

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Half-way into a marathon these puppies will be slapping her knees. 👹

Marathon? Lol. Her back is blown out in 100 yards. I'll trust the wife's word, that bitch ain't doing 1/4 mile max. Ain't bitching about the GIF though.

I do a 6 mile run about every week that has lots of hills and elevation change. I run primarily for cardio to keep in surfing shape. I do enjoy zoning out, listening to tunes and getting a runner's high, but it is starting to take a toll on my body.

socal2 says

I do a 6 mile run about every week that has lots of hills and elevation change. I run primarily for cardio to keep in surfing shape. I do enjoy zoning out, listening to tunes and getting a runner's high, but it is starting to take a toll on my body.

Aren't you better off swimming? You're already getting in the water if you're surfing. Just do some freestyle swimming along the shore for 20-30 minutes a day. You'll be ripped. Running is just bad on everything. Is it the worst, no. So many better work outs is all.

What running does to the knees, according to a large survey of marathon runners

Many doctors see osteoarthritis as a “wear-and-tear” condition, but a large survey among long-distance runners found no increased knee or hip risks.

“Runners should be encouraged by our results,” Tjong said. “They refute the current dogma that long-distance running predisposes an individual to arthritis of the hip and knee.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/knees-running-osteoarthritis-marathoners-orthopedic-rcna71270

Does running cause arthritis?

Mounting evidence suggests the answer is no.

Mounting evidence suggests that that running does not cause osteoarthritis, or any other joint disease.

A study published in 2017 found that recreational runners had lower rates of hip and knee osteoarthritis (3.5%) compared with competitive runners (13.3%) and nonrunners (10.2%).

According to a 2018 study, the rate of hip or knee arthritis among 675 marathon runners was half the rate expected within the US population.

A 2022 analysis of 24 studies found no evidence of significant harm to the cartilage lining the knee joints on MRIs taken just after running.

These are just a few of the published medical studies on the subject. Overall, research suggests that running is an unlikely cause of arthritis — and might even be protective.

The bottom line

Trends in recent research suggest that running does not wear out your joints. That should be reassuring for those of us who enjoy running. And if you don't like to run, that's fine: try to find forms of exercise that you enjoy more. Just don't base your decision — or excuse — for not running on the idea that it will ruin your joints.

https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/does-running-cause-arthritis-202304262930

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

What running does to the knees, according to a large survey of marathon runners

Marathon runners generally are trained athletes, not Joe Bob making a New Year's resolution to lose weight after years of office work.

Running is bad for an overweight/obese sedentary person to start with. Not only are their joints and muscles not up for it, but it puts a sudden new strain on the heart and lungs, PLUS they have added weight. I've seen paunchy runners, but no obese ones.

The worst thing overdoing it with free weights is a few days absence from the gym from DOMS.

As for arthritis, the amazing power of self-selection. A weightlifter in his 60s and 70s probably has no rotator cuff issues. Those that did, stopped.

Best exercise of all for sedentary people looking to get back into things is swimming in chop. Balance, core, a little cardio. Merely walking waist deep in rough water is also good.

AmericanKulak says

Best exercise of all for sedentary people looking to get back into things is swimming in chop. Balance, core, a little cardio. Merely walking waist deep in rough water is also good.

Chair Yoga is good, too.

I am not joking.

So I am sitting back with a nice runner’s high. Hard to describe it. You feel really relaxed with a body type high.

I laid off running recently cause I switched to the really cushiony Brooks Glycerin 20’s, which tweaked my lower back. I should have known better. Same thing happened with Hoka’s. Maybe the rebound from the foot plant? Don’t know, but I am back to the Ghost 15’s and feeling fine.

In the interim, I did elliptical. 15 high intensity intervals with 15 rest intervals in between. 2 minute warmup and 2 minute cool down. Sweat like a pig. Calorie burn between 400-500. And I get to watch videos on the flat screen. The weird thing is, usually the fist 5-10 high intensity intervals, I am at max heart rate, but then the next 10-5, my heart rate drops, even though I am at the same resistance level and at the same RPM’s.

I run for the same amount of time, but my heat rate never gets that high, and I don’t burn as many calories, but I am outdoors. Yeah, I coud run faster, but I am doing the best I can. Machine better than nature?

You guys seem to have trouble of getting pictures of the shoes.

So I do elliptical every day - 35 minutes total, 2 warm up, two cool down, and then 31 minutes of high intensity interval training - 16 high intensity intervals interspersed with 15 low intensity intervals. I use a fitbit to track my heart rate. Usually burn between 400-500 calories, and my max heart rate is for a few younger age groups - its a good way to die.

Anyway I have become a big fan of Starbucks instant coffee. Comes in a small cylindrical tin and makes a surprisingly good cup of coffee. I mothballed my Moccamaster coffee machine as I stopped routinely drinking coffee. Used to drink an entire pot a day. Got a bean grinder and fixated on Costco/Starbucks beans. Now, I’ll have a cup of instant when the mood strikes me, or if I require it to be alert for business purposes.

I had two large cups of the instant coffee today and then later hit the elliptical. My average elliptical high intensity interval pace was a lot higher than without caffeine. Plus I got a huge post workout endorphin high afterwards, much moreso than usual.

Caffeine and cardio - there must be studies showing a benefit.

Obligatory:

A recurring elliptical pattern: I do 40 minutes of elliptical every day now. 1-2 minutes of warmup and 1-2 minutes of cool down. But between that, 1 minute high intensity, one minute low intensity, one minute high intensity, etc. So a total of 18-19 high intensity intervals interspersed with 18-19 low intensity rest intervals. The first 5-6 of high intensity intervals, my HR gets jacked to around 165-168 bpm, but for the remainder of the high intensity intervals, it settles down 110-115, even though the resistance and elevation settings are the same. I am looking for a physiological explanation for this. Does anyone have any ideas?

I should be playing tennis instead.

Uh what were you saying? Sorry, I got distracted.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

The first 5-6 of high intensity intervals, my HR gets jacked to around 165-168 bpm, but for the remainder of the high intensity intervals, it settles down 110-115, even though the resistance and elevation settings are the same. I am looking for a physiological explanation for this. Does anyone have any ideas?

@Al_Sharpton_for_President

I've noticed similar things myself, and I remember from biochem that hemoglobin has multiple possible states and moves between them based on blood acidity iirc.

So it could be that when you start working out, your hemoglobin is in some state that doesn't bind oxygen as well, requiring a greater heart rate. But then later after you've been working out, you've altered your hemoglobin so that it binds oxygen better and your heart doesn't need to pump as much.

Or something like that. Basically, you've "warmed up".

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Caffeine and cardio - there must be studies showing a benefit.

I had a co-worker who was a semi-pro biker (sometimes won prize money). He swore that he had consistently better times if he was amped up on caffeine.

All I can think about in this thread is fleshlights. I have to keep going back to the beginning to realize its nominally about jogging shoes.

The girl at the top reminds me of one of my neices. She's half white and half spanish. Very attractive.

Patrick says

I had a co-worker who was a semi-pro biker (sometimes won prize money). He swore that he had consistently better times if he was amped up on caffeine.

Yeah.... Caffine ;) That's what did it.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doping_at_the_Tour_de_France

That's just the big race. They all do drugs. Bikers are weirdos. As weird as it sounds I don't trust them as humans. The people I know that bike frequently are all proven liars.

Does Pre-Workout Actually Work?

In the pantheon of workout supplements, few ingredients outside of creatine and caffeine can claim they consistently lead to better workouts. However, a new study might start to change that narrative.

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Pre-workout products are notorious for loading up on proprietary blends and charging you top dollar, even though caffeine is the only ingredient making a difference. Or, they include good active ingredients at a dosage that doesn’t make a difference.

In other cases, you might be seeing results, but it’s because the product contains banned substances. Unfortunately, researchers found that health officials have issued almost 800 warnings to dietary supplements containing dangerous ingredients. In nearly every case (98%), the USDA found that the ingredients in question were nowhere on the label. (This is just one more reason we trust and recommend Momentous)

In the latest study, participants used a product consisting of many ingredients, including caffeine, citrulline, creatine, and beta-alanine. Rather than having different participants test different products, the individuals competed against themselves. Some days, they used pre-workout and other days, they used a placebo, and they weren’t aware of which they took.

Compared to the days they used the placebo, taking pre-workout improved power and reps. They also experienced less fatigue and could push themselves harder during their workouts.

The catch? It’s hard to know which of the ingredients made the biggest difference. For example, dozens of other studies suggest you need at least 3.2 grams of beta-alanine to improve muscular endurance, but the product in the research used just 2.6 grams per serving, meaning it was likely an inactive dose and didn’t play a role in the results.

Our takeaway: A good pre-workout is hard to find, but it can boost performance with the right formula. Some ingredients that have the most scientific support include caffeine (150-300 mg per serving), creatine (3-10 grams), citrulline (>6 grams), nitrate (500 mg-1,500 mg, depending on body size), beta-alanine (>3.2 grams), and ashwagandha (300-600 milligrams). If a product only shares a proprietary blend, proceed with caution. And, if it’s not third-party certified (such as NSF for Sport or Informed Sport), you risk taking a product with lower quality or a misleading label.

https://arnoldspumpclub.com/blogs/newsletter/preworkout-actually-work

Oh lord. Where do you find these? I want to bookmark that site.