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Eric Holder says

Ah, back to your old 2-step: "You claimed something but where's the link? -- Here's the link, you incompentent, search-challenged fuck! -- But I don't like that link! I want a link which says CIA did something and no other link will do!"

Ignores rebuttals dozens of times, then claims people ignore his PressTV or Adam Greene links.

For example, no matter how many times you show him that Hamas was a Muslim Brotherhood group that Israel did NOT "found" but instead supported as a means of dividing Fakestines from Fatah and PFLP (something that EVERY country does to destabilize their enemies), he goes right back to the "Israel started Hamas" line

That's why he's on ignore.

NuttBoxer says

I would disagree on this definition. It's the same criteria you use to define any group of bigots or racists. Zionists believe themselves to be superior to all other humans. Now they typically are an extremist sub-set of Jews, but as patnetters have clearly demonstrated, anyone can subscribe to Zionist beliefs, regardless of ethnicity. Just saying a self-hating Zionist is conceivable.

There are 4 Levantine Arab states, each one created by a "European Colonialist OMG!".

There is one Jewish state, created by fighting for itself against mutliple countries trying to annex the area when the British left before ajudicating the remaining 1/3 of the area, fully expecting Arabs to win and to divide it amongst themselves.

And the "But muh UN!" people always ignore the fact that Israel's existance was endorsed in the 1940s by a UN General Assembly Vote

"Ordinary Americans are fed up with Zionists"

The "Ordinary Americans":

Hamas in the next few weeks:

AmericanKulak says

There is one Jewish state, created by fighting for itself against mutliple countries trying to annex the area when the British left, fully expecting them to divide it amongst themselves.

Islam is not a monolithic religion. The Palestinians are Sunni, most of the Middle East is Shia. There are Palestinian refugee camps in Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan. The Sunni and Shia are happy to kill one another, and most of the Middle East doesn't care if Israel kills the Palestinians - ever talk to two of them? I have. Both said the other wasn't really Muslim, that the other was evil and I finally told them, they were both stupid and you're being divided in order to steal your resources and subjugate you to the West. That are happy to see the US go in and fuck up a nation of the "other religion".

Part of the Israeli Palestine conflict is simply to inflame tensions. The US always lies, it never negotiates in good faith, they always take Israel's side, the constantly use their veto power to protect Israel.

Do you think the US ALONE is the ONE nation out of over a hundred that is right?

When has the US been right in foreign policy in the Middle East before? Was the US right to go to war with Syria? Iraq? Is it right to continually apply pressure on Iran, sanctioning them? But magically, they are right about Israel - I doubt it.

Israel has Jewish only settlements which only Jews are allowed to be in, and there are plenty of nuts there. This was called the Al-Aqsa Flood because October 7th was a response to a bunch of radical Jewish settlers taking over the Al-Aqsa mosque. Does our media ever mention that? No, but I know about it. You would too, if we had a media. I have to research this shit.

According to Islamic mythology, Mohammed ascended to heaven from the Al-Aqsa mosque. It's would be like if Jewish people desecrated the tomb of Jesus or something. Israel attacks the ENTIRE religion all the time and eventually the Sunni and Shia will unite in a common resistance. Eventually that will happen, and there's only 10 million Israelis total. Stop beating the hornet's nest. I don't care what kind of weaponry they have, they are a small country and if you really get say 100 million motivated soldiers, they're done. Lots of experienced soldiers in the Middle East, we've been making them for 20 years. Afghanistan too. Logistics would be the problem, getting people from point A to point B.

This current razing of Gaza has, not government's pissed off, but people. Turkish people are pissed, pissed enough to possibly leave NATO and attack Israel. The government doesn't care, they were accepting stolen oil shipments from Syria for quite some time, and that war was very much exacerbated by Israel. Israel bombed the Damascus airport:

https://yandex.com/search/?text=israel+bombs+damascus+airport&lr=102749

The excuse was that they were bombing it to stop importation of weapons from Iran. Was this true? I dunno. Israel has been trying to drag us to go to war with Iran almost my entire life. in April 1984, Jane’s Defense Weekly reported that (supposedly) German intelligence drew the conclusion that Iran was about to get a nuclear weapon "soon". This was during the Iran/Iraq War, no doubt propaganda in order to keep that war going. That's back when Saddam Hussein was our ally.

Every few years "Iran is about to get a nuke" - nope at least not under the current regime. They have declared that nuclear weapons are a sin against God essentially, and refuse to develop them. They are useless anyhow - they can only be used as a deterrent.

And remember, Arab Muslim States whose religion states once an area is taken by the House of Peace, it can NEVER be returned.

Don't have any oil, so they can't compel dozens of countries that have no oil to go along with them.

It's all their superior morality; diplomatic and economic pressure doesn't exist in this one situation unique above all others.

AmericanKulak says

It's all their superior morality; diplomatic and economic pressure doesn't exist in this one situation unique above all others.

Religion is a political tool in Abrahamic religion, this is why we keep breaking down over "moral" bullshit, the people at the top don't consider morality at all, it's geostrategic interests.

Israel causes a lot of headaches and problems for many countries in the Middle East. They were one a pivotal nation to get us to go to war with Iraq. Remember the "yellowcake uranium from Niger"? That came from Israeli intelligence. I'm sure our government knew it was bullshit, but Israel implicated themselves in producing vital propaganda to start that war. We really don't know how many people are dead from that war, but 800,000 seems to be the number that is being settled on.

AmericanKulak says

Ignores rebuttals dozens of times, then claims people ignore his PressTV or Adam Greene links.

I don't link to PressTV and I have no idea who Adam Greene is. Why do you start out of the gate lying? Why do you begin with a lie?

AmericanKulak says

For example, no matter how many times you show him that Hamas was a Muslim Brotherhood group that Israel did NOT "found" but instead supported as a means of dividing Fakestines from Fatah and PFLP (something that EVERY country does to destabilize their enemies), he goes right back to the "Israel started Hamas" line

I don't think I stated ever that Israel founded Hamas, I doubt it because I don't believe that. I have said I doubt Hamas would exist if not for the financial support of Israel. I think it would have disappeared years ago.

Supporting terrorist groups is a profoundly stupid thing to do. The US supported the Mujahideen which became the Taliban, which we spent 20 years and no idea how much money fighting to lose. The US supported "the moderate rebels" of Syria, that's ISIS. The US supported the PKK, those are our "Kurdish friends", they are a communist terrorist group.

Now, was it smart for Israel to support and fund Hamas? They aren't at war with Hamas, they are at war with the Palestinians. Hamas is controlled opposition. Whatever it started out to be, who gives a shit? The people who run Hamas are hanging out in Qatar in luxury. Israel doesn't care about the hostages, they have the Hannibal directive, several hundred are known to have been killed by the IDF.

AmericanKulak says

That's why he's on ignore.

You can put me on ignore. Makes it easier to expose your bullshit.

You don't know how to do original research, you depend on some lying fucking propagandist asshole that works for an organization that lies constantly, you don't vet anything, and you just proclaim it without reference or attribution. Basically you either steal from a "news" site, or you make it up. What did I make up? When did I not produce original sources you can verify, when did I drop attribution?

If you can find an error here:

https://americandissident.substack.com/p/why-i-think-the-united-states-overthrew

Point it out. Is there anything in there you don't think is an established fact? I get tired of you acting like gossiping high school girls. It's profoundly childish. Nobody should listen to you, you're not reliable, and you're not serious.

AmericanKulak says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPtMfj36aCk

That's Golda Meir saying she's a Palestinian. I know it would be an impossible task for you to take a minute to find what the area was called in say 1850 or 1600.

Palestine used to be part of the Ottoman Empire. It's like Wisconsin is part of the United States and you insisting Wisconsin never existed. It's a long standing region that has been recognized forever, but not as "a state". You're just splitting hairs, and you know it. This is Frank Luntz stupidity.

I'm an Adirondackinoid.

"There was never a polity called Adirondacs, it's a geographical region. It's never been a country before. In fact, when it was part of the US, all of it was in New York and ruled from the Hudson Valley far beyond that area. We already split 2/3 of that area off for you Algonquin, plus there are several other states with majorities of your actual ethnicity and religion. Leave 1/3 of it for the Iroquois. "

No! This is oppression! Blowing up babies at Sbarros is just resistance to the Adirondackinoid Cause! Anything less than 100% of the Adirondacks for the Algonquin is colonialist settler genoicde!

From mountain to mountain, it's all my fountain!

Eric Holder says

Ah, back to your old 2-step: "You claimed something but where's the link? -- Here's the link, you incompentent, search-challenged fuck! -- But I don't like that link! I want a link which says CIA did something and no other link will do!"

Lol. Accurate. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accurate Trolling admittedly. I've posted links on topics and they're just wrong in Rich's world. And if I post on things that I've personally witnessed, like it happened in real life, I'm wrong. I'm slowly giving up with Rich at this point. He's hung up on this link thing like he's some investigative journalist. Start a site dude. Prove everyone wrong and if you're right you should make shit loads of money. I think you're wrong a majority of the time.

WookieMan says

Lol. Accurate. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/accurate Trolling admittedly. I've posted links on topics and they're just wrong. And if I post on things that I'ver personally witnessed, like it happened in real life, I'm wrong. I'm slowing giving up with Rich at this point.

I don't believe you're wrong.

I believe you actively lie. You intentionally, maliciously lie.

You said I've never shown any evidence of the coup by the CIA in Ukraine. I've done this so often, I made a complete explanation, posted it, and you didn't even look at it. You claimed there was no civil war in Ukraine, yes there was. Ukraine is divided in part because of the Holodomor, Kulaks were forced off their land, and Russians were relocated forcibly, so there's a bit of a divide in that nation between two different cultures and when the coup happened, the East didn't accept it, the West did, America supported their new government, Russia supported their old government, it was basically an immediate proxy war, like Vietnam was or North and South Korea.

It's extremely simple. It's easy to ask a Russian what happened, or a Ukrainian, I know a Moldovan, but he knows nothing.

I've been on the Internet since 1989, since before Web Browsers existed. I've been using this tool for more than 1/2 my life. They keep closing off information resources, new ones pop up. Propagandists and liars are a goddamned annoyance though.

Monument to NY 107th Infantry defaced by Paleban, US flag burned.

Egyptian Truck Drivers delivering aid enraged their trucks and fellow drivers are attacked by Palestinians.



"This is a Mossad Fake" - the usual suspects who believe anything off Bitchute.

AmericanKulak says

"This is a Mossad Fake" - the usual suspects who believe anything off Bitchute.

You don't know.

Israel of course uses agent provocateurs just as the US does. Every J6 protestor was a victim of entrapment.

You know about the Lavon Affair, I've talked about it enough. You know that the 40 beheaded babies was false.

Can you use a filter? You seem incapable of this and entirely manipulated by propaganda. How hard would it be to fake that video? What would be the motivation to attack the vehicles? There is none, but you just believe it.

Tired of people for falling for every fucking lie.

AmericanKulak says

Egyptian Truck Drivers delivering aid enraged their trucks and fellow drivers are attacked by Palestinians.



"This is a Mossad Fake" - the usual suspects who believe anything off Bitchute.

Something is missing here. Why would the Palestinians attack someone bringing them aid?

HeadSet says

Something is missing here. Why would the Palestinians attack someone bringing them aid?

Uh oh, @AmericanKulak won't like what you just did. You did some thinking. Don't you know that you're just supposed to accept anything you hear or see that favors the US empire's policy goals without any question or thought? Thinking is tantamount to being a traitor to the country at this point. Truth is treason after all.

Maybe Palestinians did attack these vehicles, but I couldn't guess as to what the motivation would be. I'm impressed they were able to throw rocks through a windscreen as well, they're in good physical condition to be able to do that, or the windscreens are very poor quality. Or maybe it's entirely staged - who knows? We're in a world of constant lies.

Israel doesn't want aid going to Gaza, that's the reason they killed those people at World Central Kitchen. Propaganda is probably better than murder, probably. If this is a propaganda set piece, it creates animosity by framing an innocent population but Israel has done this many many times. Murder is pretty quick, propaganda can create animosity that lasts for generations when both targets of the propaganda (the falsely accused and the target of the "information") are tricked into hating one another.

richwicks says

Maybe Palestinians did attack these vehicles, but I couldn't guess as to what the motivation would be.

They're fucking idiots. I have black friends. Mexican friends. Indian friends. Asian friends. No Muslims or Islamist. Why is that? Am I bigot or an idiot? Nope.

I've tried to not pick a side in this. The evidence is massive that Hamas and Palestinians are shit heads. They've then indoctrinated our population somehow. Especially dip shit college students. Maybe it's Israel behind it all. Does it actually matter if that's the case? Think about it. Again, they're fucking idiots. You decide what side.

WookieMan says

I've tried to not pick a side in this. The evidence is massive that Hamas and Palestinians are shit heads.

They have one of the highest literacy rates in the region. They tend to be surprisingly well educated.

When you put a population under tremendous pressure, this is what happens.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_the_State_of_Palestine

They don't have any of the DEI bullshit either.

Israel's propaganda is that they are mindless violent animals. What they are doing is projecting. You can see this at how stupid their propaganda is. We have much worse propaganda because somebody is hiring based on ethnic nepotism. I'm not going to go into that much, but there is a reason our government is 100 percent pro Israel.

It's possible that Palestinians attacked, but it makes no sense. Writing them off as stupid, is reckless. It's quite possible a bunch of Arab Israelis attacked it. Israel does this kind of shit all the time. I gave the most famous example of the Lavon Affair. Israel is stupid, they've made enemies with everybody. I don't know why people think this is smart. They are bankrupting the US, they are an integral part in attacking white countries with weaponized immigration. Once they kill us, they are done. Mayorkis is Jewish.

Noticing this stuff will soon be illegal, that will backfire too.

I bet Cuba has a smart population too. They do an amazing job of keeping their country running. Difficult times make strong men..interesting you can see specific examples of it. Ukraine is in a very difficult time, but I think it's so difficult they won't survive, and they have a Jewish president.. He's just a puppet of course. Sometimes I think they are picked because they are more difficult to criticize.

richwicks says

I bet Cuba has a smart population too. They do an amazing job of keeping their country running.

This surely is sarcasm? Right? Do you know a Cuban? You literally have to be fucking joking. You don't get them out there in CA often I assume based on this comment.

Cross 90 miles in open Ocean to get to America. In fucking rafts. That's how much Cubans HATE their country. Willing to risk their lives. Cuba is a shit show. Cubans hate Cuba. Not really a debate unless they're in government. I know multiple Cubans. It's an awful country.

Eric Holder says

Hamas has indicated it is currently unable to identify and track down 40 Israeli hostages needed for the first phase of a ceasefire deal, according to an Israeli official and a source familiar with the discussions, raising fears that more hostages may be dead than are publicly known.

I appreciate you doing some research on this. Now you can examine the other side where Israeli government continually makes excuses for why they won't honor the deals they put out, or simply state they will never stop killing Palestinians. They are right here in this thread. Unless you think Netanyahu is lying..?

Summarizing the Zionist state view..

Amazing explanation of zionist logic in 1 minute 👏👏👏 pic.twitter.com/Wt86MagKPG

— Furkan Gözükara (@GozukaraFurkan) May 5, 2024

Given enough time the fog of war is lifted, and the truth always comes out:

What Really Happened on October 7 by Richard Sanders (Double Down News) - Full HD

"the Kibbutzes we've identified 18 people who
were pretty much certainly killed by the police"

"kill everyone than allow people to be captured" pic.twitter.com/ch4KIRN4B9

— Furkan Gözükara (@GozukaraFurkan) April 11, 2024

Hamas has accepted ceasefire, Israel has not..

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-06/ty-article-live/idf-three-soldiers-killed-near-gaza-border/0000018f-4ba4-dcda-abcf-6ba7979b0006

Jews protesting in Tel Aviv for government to accept ceasefire so they can have their loved ones returned. Wait, so Jews blame Israel, not Hamas for hostages not being returned. But patnetters told me they know better...

One woman whose son is hostage said if the government doesn’t go for the deal, the country will burn https://t.co/c4bV6ydRj1

— Mairav Zonszein מרב זונשיין (@MairavZ) May 6, 2024

Only Israeli people can end this massacre sadly

Families of Israeli detainees in Gaza:

Hamas agreed to the deal. The government must agree now, otherwise we will burn the country.pic.twitter.com/L2gq6ZrP3G

— Furkan Gözükara (@GozukaraFurkan) May 6, 2024

NuttBoxer says

Hamas has accepted ceasefire, Israel has not..

A ceasefire written up in Qatar where Hamas HQ is. Israel had NO part in negotiating the ceasefire, so really it was a unilateral ultimatum

It basically restores the Status Quo, but Israel gets 30-40 hostages, alive OR dead.

Shitty deal. You can't sign a ceasefire with somebody who broke the last one a few months ago with no warning or cause to launch a raid that kidnapped 300 civilians and killed 1200, a warcrime.

Time to extirpate Hamas.

And Biden is working behind the scenes to save Hamas.

WookieMan says

Cross 90 miles in open Ocean to get to America. In fucking rafts. That's how much Cubans HATE their country. Willing to risk their lives. Cuba is a shit show. Cubans hate Cuba. Not really a debate unless they're in government. I know multiple Cubans. It's an awful country.

Yep, I know plenty of Cubans and not a one hates America or loves Castro or buys into Nat/Int Soc Rhetoric, everybody there that isn't the 10-15% running and living off the government wants the Castros out.

NuttBoxer says

Hamas agreed to the deal.

To recap.
1. Hamas trains a generation of terrorists.
2. Hamas attacks Israel killing over a thousand and taking hundreds hostage.
3. Hamas agrees to a deal it wrote that allows it to get away with not only the October 2023 massacre but to survive to plan more attacks and continue to starve their own people by blocking foreign aid.

Hmmmm. Wouldn't 'Hamas' have to be really, really stupid to attack a mysteriously legs wide open Israel from Gaza? Would they really be under the raving delusion that they would 'occupy' territory? Did they really, really believe that repercussions would not land on the heads of disposable Palestinians?

Nahhhhh. Stupid things like that happen all the time, it's a coincidence. And, as we know, Hamas are just a bunch of depraved, scatter brained, ignorant, illiterate, low IQ, head chopping, plinkable vermin 'terrorists' after all. All those Mossad checks for controlled opposition COULDN'T have made it a Uniside caper. That would be too much Occam's Razor.

Moloch smiles.

WookieMan says

This surely is sarcasm? Right? Do you know a Cuban? You literally have to be fucking joking

No, I don't know any Cubans, but I know how their "internet" works.

WookieMan says

Cross 90 miles in open Ocean to get to America. In fucking rafts. That's how much Cubans HATE their country.

That don't hate their country, they hate their government.

I was praising the Cubans themselves, not the Cuban government.

AmericanKulak says

Shitty deal. You can't sign a ceasefire with somebody who broke the last one a few months ago with no warning or cause to launch a raid that kidnapped 300 civilians and killed 1200, a warcrime.

Time to extirpate Hamas

Israel funds Hamas. They control it.

They are fake controlled opposition, controlled by Israel.

They exist because Israel has paid for them to exist.

AmericanKulak says

And Biden is working behind the scenes to save Hamas.

Israel fucking funds Hamas. Like Biden has to secretly "save" it. The US gives money to Israel, Israel funds Hamas with it.

Want to cut off Hamas? Stop giving aid to Israel

Are you implying that Hamas wants peace?

Why don’t they surrender then?

PeopleUnited says

Are you implying that Hamas wants peace?

Why don’t they surrender then?

Because retards think the Joos control Hamas and this is one big conspiracy.

Biden, Antiqueefa, LGBT wokies and the anti-Semitic 9/11 trooper types all arm in arm making excuses for Islamists.

I doubt any of you warhawks have the guts to see what your arm chair beliefs translate to in real life, but in case you do..

https://youtu.be/YwMcO1FTRMo

Pandering of the Zionist state:

Israel's Yom HaShoah solemn 'celebration' is another act of fabrication.

Israel's leaders exploited the suffering of European Jewry to advance their post-war statehood goals. They did little to rescue our brethren trapped in the Holocaust furnace.

Like today, they view the… pic.twitter.com/A8nWUE0lfe

— Torah Jews (@TorahJews) May 6, 2024

Seems some patnetters have a lot in common with woke Facebook employees...

Meta employees have published a petition in which they indicate a proposed policy at Meta to treat the word “Zionist” as a proxy for “Jewish”.

Hey @Meta, the overwhelming majority of Zionists are non-Jewish (10s of millions of American Evangelicals are Zionists. You are going to… pic.twitter.com/0Io55yzUj2

— Zachary Foster (@_ZachFoster) May 7, 2024

I agree, forced starvation is holocaust. Just ask the Ukrainians and Russians about Holodomor.

245 calories.

Children in Gaza have only 245 calories per day! Forced starvation is an act of genocide. pic.twitter.com/99TFHMMHdy

— Mohamad Safa (@mhdksafa) May 4, 2024

NuttBoxer says

I doubt any of you warhawks

Hamas is the warhawks. Along with Houthis, Hezbollah, Iran and Qatar (state sponsor of terrorism) Why won’t they surrender if they are peace loving? Furthermore why do you and the ZDS not call for Hamas to surrender?

NuttBoxer says

I agree, forced starvation is holocaust.

Speaking of Starvation:


https://x.com/CollinRugg/status/1788234743697514714

"This is absolutely unfair. My peers and I, we are starving. We are physically exhausted. I am quite literally shaking right now as you can see."

"We are both cold and hot at the same time. We are all immunocompromised and based on the university's meeting yesterday with some of our bargaining team, they would love to continue physically weakening us."

LITERALLY SHAKING RIGHT NOW!

(There's a Sbarros down the street)

Ceffer says

Wouldn't 'Hamas' have to be really, really stupid to attack a mysteriously legs wide open Israel from Gaza?

Shhh! That is second order thinking.

I bet some, who know that it's ridiculous to claim Hunter's Laptop was Russian Disinfo and the Russians hacked 100s of accounts and created 1000s of emails, probably believe the Mossad/IDF faked 1000s of Videos and Pics made by the terrorists and Gazans themselves of shooting people, throwing them bound in the back of trucks, to huge screaming crowds yelling "Khaybar! Allah Akbar!"