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Evidence we are going to get walloped in 2024 if we don't get smart


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2023 Sep 20, 8:19am   8,129 views  100 comments

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Trump won this district in 2016 and 2020 and Sununu won this district by 22 points! A Democrat just won a special election for a house seat by 12 points.

The Republican who lost is a pastor and said "the Prophets told him that Trump won 2020". I suppose they will blame this on voter fraud too? Should be easy to ferret out in a smaller election.

https://twitter.com/RedaMor/status/1704347649598435721

It is not fair, but Trump is permanently branded a loser and is mortally wounded by all the lawfare and fake scandals. His negatives are sky high and we have numerous elections since the midterms showing that there are too many American sheep who will vote against their own interests to vote against Orange Man Bad.

We can be sober and accept political reality and try to change course. But because are are the stupid party who let the Democrats and the Media to radicalize us and play us like a drum to support Trump, we are going to walk over this cliff and likely lose a very winnable election no matter how much data is presented to us.

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26   AmericanKulak   2023 Sep 20, 4:50pm  

socal2 says


but we have had 3 additional election cycles 2018, 2020 and 2022 (in addition to some special elections) where MAGA candidates are getting clobbered.


Trump is the all time 2nd highest popular vote winner in US History, the incumbent (2020) President increased his vote total by 11M (!!!) while winning almost every one of the almost 20 bellweather counties yet "somehow" still lost.

The same GOP that went balls to the wall over some hanging chads in 2000 rolled over and deliberately died as Trump was a threat to handing out borrow-and-spend largess to their cronies, while fundraising millions off of it from their betrayed base. Guiliani was hung up by National GOP leadership in the days after the Stolen Election with claims that it was good for fundraising for Trump to lose.

2018 was a typical off-year recapture by the opposition party fired by Media Frenzy against Orange Man. Ryan was deliberately slow walking everything so as not to give Trump any serious Policy victories and tamper down the MAGAized base turnout to help Democrats.

2022 was an off year election and Bideninflation finally swung control back to the under-Magaized Republican Congress, but it was far less of a swing than predicted.

Trump must win to demoralize and weaken the Establishment GOP. The GOP is a bigger enemy than the Democrats, as it's had the Purse power almost 3 decades with only a few breaks, and most of the State Governments, yet here we are with Transwoke and $33T in debt.
27   AmericanKulak   2023 Sep 20, 5:00pm  

Desantis is:

* Just as hated as Trump by the Media and Democrats.

* Does not have a history of winning the 2nd most popular vote of any President in US History despite massive Media demonization and multiple GOPe attempts to sabotage him.

* Still Young and has plenty of time.

Trump beats Biden by half a point in average of National Polls:



Desantis loses to Biden by almost 3 points in average of National Polls:


28   mell   2023 Sep 20, 5:21pm  

NH, a beautiful state, is full of never trumpers. Not surprised, but this is of no consequence.
29   AmericanKulak   2023 Sep 20, 6:25pm  

mell says

NH, a beautiful state, is full of never trumpers. Not surprised, but this is of no consequence.

Yuge Masshole population over the past two decades, also.
30   AD   2023 Sep 20, 6:33pm  

RWSGFY says


If this is your single issue you have weird priorities.


Of course this is not as serious as the other disasters of Birdbrain Biden and the Democrat Party such as its Inflation Act and energy policy.

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31   richwicks   2023 Sep 20, 6:43pm  

mell says

NH, a beautiful state, is full of never trumpers. Not surprised, but this is of no consequence.


My sister and husband live in NH - it's not a state filled with "never trumpers"...

I know the Massaholes are just down south, but that's limited to the shitty of Boston.
32   clambo   2023 Sep 20, 6:51pm  

But a lof of Massholes live in NH and commute down to Mass for their jobs.
33   PeopleUnited   2023 Sep 20, 7:05pm  

socal2 says


Are you kidding?

No. The warmongers own DeSantis.

The warmongers hate Trump.

That’s pretty much why they must destroy Trump, he is not a warmonger. He will never be a warmonger, and they know they have no leverage to force him into war.

Did you go to the caucuses and/BPOU meetings in 2015 and 2016? The venom and hatred by the never trumpers and political elites against the grass roots new republican who showed up to support Trump was unprecedented and quite frankly unwarranted. The Republican leaders don’t want a big tent. They want to continue to status quo and expect the grass roots to grin and bear it while they sell us out again and again.

So fuck them, if losing means those assholes lose, then it is a victory for the grass roots who are tired of being sold out by RINOS like Romney, Mcain, Bush and Lindsey Graham. Fuck them all. If they can’t work with Trump, it’s because they hate him. If they hate him he must be doing something right.
34   UkraineIsTotallyFucked   2023 Sep 20, 7:18pm  

apex says

> let the Democrats and the Media to radicalize us and play us like a drum to support Trump

This smells suspicious to me. If you were one of "us", you would know damn well that:

1. We are NOT radicalized.
2. The Dems and the media did not trick us into supporting Trump.
and most importantly
3. Doesn't matter. Still voting Trump.



35   socal2   2023 Sep 21, 8:40am  

mell says

NH, a beautiful state, is full of never trumpers. Not surprised, but this is of no consequence.


Trump won this district twice handedly and Sununu won it by 22 points.

Yet a very Trumpish candidate just got walloped in 2023. We lost in 2018, 2020 and underperformed in 2022.

So much winning!

I guess we can take comfort in worthless national polls?
36   PeopleUnited   2023 Sep 21, 6:46pm  

First of all there are no Trumpish candidates. There is only one Trump. He’s far from perfect, but thankfully they broke the mold so we will never have to worry about “another Trump”.

Second there is no comfort for anyone who doesn’t understand that if Trump can’t win, it’s because the globalist warmongers have stacked the deck, weaponized the justice system and pulled out all the stops to guarantee a globalist puppet is elected.

I’m still waiting to hear about the candidate (other than the front runner) who won’t start or perpetuate any wars who you think can win the electoral college, let alone the primary.
37   RWSGFY   2023 Sep 21, 6:50pm  

ad says

RWSGFY says



If this is your single issue you have weird priorities.


Of course this is not as serious as the other disasters of Birdbrain Biden and the Democrat Party such as its Inflation Act and energy policy.

.


And yet this is what popped up first. Are you suffering from UDS? :D
38   richwicks   2023 Sep 21, 7:03pm  

PeopleUnited says

That’s pretty much why they must destroy Trump, he is not a warmonger. He will never be a warmonger, and they know they have no leverage to force him into war.


This is right.

The problem they had with Trump is he wasn't a Neocon warmonger, and he wasn't purely a puppet. War is destroying this country. Our FUCKING federal government could only dole out $700 per family in Maui. Fuck them. Billions to Ukraine - EVEN IF UKRAINE wins, who does this help the United States??

They just want endless stupid war, senseless war.
39   PeopleUnited   2023 Sep 21, 7:13pm  

richwicks says


They just want endless stupid war, senseless war.

They want total subservience to the supreme leader of the globalist regime, but war is an essential part of subservience. War, death, and lies are the currency of the satanic globalists.
40   richwicks   2023 Sep 21, 7:46pm  

PeopleUnited says

They want total subservience to the supreme leader of the globalist regime, but war is an essential part of subservience. War, death, and lies are the currency of the satanic globalists.


Sunlight is the best detergent...

That's what the Internet is for. Why do you think they are attacking free speech? Why do you think there is censorship? It's taken so much longer than I EVER would have imagined, but we are getting there. Censorship is a sign of weakness and the Internet really cannot be censored. There's always going to be somebody who just says "fuck it".

We need open dialogue or we end up all as slaves. There's a mistaken belief that people in power aren't slaves, they are the most slavish of us all.
41   just_passing_through   2023 Sep 21, 7:50pm  

Stop watching FOX News
42   richwicks   2023 Sep 21, 8:18pm  

just_passing_through says

Stop watching FOX News


Stop watching television period. If you think reading the NY Times or the Economist is informing you, you're still naive.

Seriously, go to the library and go through the newspaper and magazine morgue, and see what they were saying about Iraq in 2004, Libya in 2012, Syria in 2016. It's all nonsense propaganda.
43   PeopleUnited   2023 Sep 21, 8:54pm  

just_passing_through says


Stop watching FOX News

Exactly. In other words quit willingly subjecting yourself to Maoist propaganda. If it is on network TV, it is Maoist propaganda. The networks are run by globalists after all, every single network is a globalists poison stream right to your unsuspecting cerebral cortex.
44   AmericanKulak   2023 Sep 21, 9:49pm  

richwicks says


I know the Massaholes are just down south, but that's limited to the shitty of Boston.

clambo says


But a lof of Massholes live in NH and commute down to Mass for their jobs.


Exactly. The People's Republic became so unaffordable, there were big waves before the Great Recession. Since then it's only gotten worse. People in NH have been complaining about it since the 90s.

NH beat Florida slightly for Massholes leaving the state. About 20,000 for each destination with NH slightly more than Florida, bringing their overwhelming Democratic Leftoid Hillary Loving asses with them.

Also, Massholes are all over the state, except perhaps the far Western corners. MA was bluer much harder and much longer than California or NYS.

Even NYS has had one of it's legislative bodies Republican controlled in this century for some years. And don't believe upstaters that NYC is the only drag on NYS; the rustbelt/university cities are just as key to Democratic Control in NYS: Rochester, Binghampton, Buffalo, Ithaca, Syracuse, Albany, Poughkepsie, Plattsburgh, etc. are all dark blue power centers. It's the NYC burbs that provide much of the counter-socialist forces.
45   UkraineIsTotallyFucked   2023 Sep 24, 5:06pm  

One Democratic strategist who asked for anonymity to speak candidly said that anyone who doesn’t think Trump can win in 2024 is “an absolute fool.”

The strategist cited inflation, concern about Biden’s age and immigration, emphasizing “the crisis that you are seeing playing out in multiple states because of the number of people coming across the border.”

Trump has huge liabilities, of course. His favorability ratings are notably poor, he brings chaos in his wake and critics see him as an existential threat to American democracy itself.

For all that, he is running neck-and-neck with Biden in early general election polls.

“It’s pretty clear that the Democratic strategy is, ‘Voters will never vote for an indicted or convicted nominee,’” said the Democratic strategist who wanted to remain anonymous.

“But my response to that is — it depends on how bad things are.”


https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4219325-democrats-fret-trump-more-electable-than-believed/
46   AmericanKulak   2023 Sep 24, 8:24pm  

Trump is the biggest popular vote getter in US History, beating Obama in the same number of races by millions of votes

Now Haley is being pushed as the Warmongering "Senate" Choice.

She doesn't have a chance in hell.

All of the top 5 candidates after Trump can't match him combined in polls.

It is time to circle around the Trump Wagon.
47   AmericanKulak   2023 Sep 24, 8:38pm  

"I can't spare this man, he fights" - Lincoln on Grant.


48   REpro   2023 Sep 24, 10:28pm  

Ceffer says

socal2 says


Make it make sense!

Stop being spun and take off the blindfold if you will. However, you can believe anything you want. However, propaganda beguilement isn't selling so well these days.

Presidential Medal of Freedom is different than President commendation.
Trump did NOT give Fauci the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
49   AD   2023 Sep 24, 10:30pm  

Trump up by 10% over Birdbrain Biden in latest ABC poll

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

My concern is that the Dems and news media are trying to manage the narrative so that by summer of next year it will be all good news about Biden and the economy. So they are letting all the bad news come out now until spring of next year.
50   AmericanKulak   2023 Sep 25, 12:17am  

Thanks for triggering my brain on something, @ad

I noticed a few weeks after the election and Jan6, once the bruhaha waned and these Number Crunchers got over the victory and started their "Explanations" about "How" Biden won, they got very twitchy, nervous, and vague.

I think they realized the pattern was very, very strange, and I think they know.
52   UkraineIsTotallyFucked   2023 Sep 25, 1:36am  

ad says


Trump up by 10% over Birdbrain Biden in latest ABC poll


And it is....Mathhole time, kiddies!

Biden has 42%. 10% of 42% is 4.2%. Trump's lead is higher.

10 is what percentage of 42?

~24%

So Trump is up almost 24% over Biden in that poll.
53   UkraineIsTotallyFucked   2023 Sep 25, 6:24am  

Polls Show Democrat Campaign Strategy Of Indicting Political Opponents Has Backfired Horrifically

This weekend, ABC News and the Washington Post released a poll showing former President Donald Trump with a commanding 10-point lead over President Joe Biden in the 2024 presidential election.

The Washington Post was clearly embarrassed by its poll, and scrambled to come up with reasons readers should ignore it. Democrat analyst Larry Sabato, who confidently predicted Hillary Clinton would win 352 electoral votes in 2016 (she received 227 in her loss to Donald Trump), asked the Washington Post, “How could you even publish a poll so absurd on its face? Will be a lingering embarrassment for you.”

The poll systematically privileges Democrat candidates in dramatic fashion, both nationally and at the state level. But that just makes this weekend’s results more frightening for Democrats.


https://thefederalist.com/2023/09/25/polls-show-democrat-campaign-strategy-of-indicting-political-opponents-has-backfired-horrifically/
54   HeadSet   2023 Sep 25, 7:37am  

ad says

My concern is that the Dems and news media are trying to manage the narrative so that by summer of next year it will be all good news about Biden and the economy. So they are letting all the bad news come out now until spring of next year.

It may be that this is to get the mill weight Biden out of the way, and then the good economic news fallacy comes out in time to help the new Dem pick.
55   socal2   2023 Sep 25, 9:18am  

A National poll against Biden who is currently one of the least popular presidents in modern times?

Impressive! Problem is that Biden is not running next year.

Seriously, is there anyone with 2 eyes who has seen Biden this past year thinking he could do another 4 years as President? Democrats are waiting for us to go all in on Trump and they will pull a switcheroo with a brokered convention with someone younger who can walk up a flight of stairs without tripping. By the time some Republicans get sober and realize our mistake, it will be too late and the party will be hopelessly divided if we tried to ditch Trump last minute.

And if Trump was able to manage a win - what would we get other than a 4 year lame duck who will need to spend most of his time battling indictments?

We are the stupid party and the Democrats are playing us like a fiddle.
56   AmericanKulak   2023 Sep 25, 12:57pm  

socal2 says


We are the stupid party and the Democrats are playing us like a fiddle.

Yes, because we keep accepting milquetoast leaders who don't do shit like Ryan, Boehner, and McCarthy. And Abbott "Oh look I sent the TX National Guard to handout water bottles again to illegals. Look at my performative nothingburger."

I've realized they don't do shit not because they're incompetent, but because they don't want to reduce the massive number of laborers crossing the border, their donors don't want them cutting the budget and thus contracts they want to get, etc.

What the GOPe and Ronna McRomney really need to be doing is fighting PA that just announced automatic voter registration. But they won't, since they are about preventing the GOP Platform and helping Democrats as the fake opposition they are.

The GOP Establishment is worse than the Democrats.

Only proven MAGA candidates.
57   UkraineIsTotallyFucked   2023 Sep 25, 1:11pm  

socal2 says

Seriously, is there anyone with 2 eyes who has seen Biden this past year thinking he could do another 4 years as President?


You mean like Diane Feinstein?

It is almost impossible to get an incumbent POTUS to step down from running again if they don't want to.
58   socal2   2023 Sep 25, 1:35pm  

AmericanKulak says

What the GOPe and Ronna McRomney really need to be doing is fighting PA that just announced automatic voter registration.


You realize that Trump was instrumental in getting the useless Ronna McDaniel appointed for a 4th term as the GOP Chairwoman - right? What has Trump done to combat Democrat vote cheating other than to say to wait until election day to vote so our voters can be stuck in the rain in long lines?
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3833616-trump-congratulates-mcdaniel-on-rnc-chair-reelection/

AmericanKulak says

The GOP Establishment is worse than the Democrats.


Respectfully - this is crazy pill stupid thing to say. Even the most liberal Rhino JEB! would have governed better on the border, taxes and culture compared to what we are seeing from Biden and the Democrats today.

AmericanKulak says


And Abbott "Oh look I sent the TX National Guard to handout water bottles again to illegals. Look at my performative nothingburger."


WTF? Abbot sending busses of illegals to New York, LA, Boston and Chicago has perhaps been the most successful immigration reform policy by any Republican politician in my lifetime.

Never in my life did I think I would ever see folks like the Mayor of New York absolutely losing his shit about illegals in New York asking the Feds to help.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGf2a1xJjLo

What is "performative" is Trump saying he will make Mexico pay for the wall. What is 'performative" is Trump saying he will deport millions of illegals - and then putting a 2 week pause on deportations (2 weeks to stop the spread!) only to end up deporting less people than Obama in his first term.
https://time.com/5612779/trump-deportations-immigration/
59   socal2   2023 Sep 25, 1:41pm  

Trollhole says

You mean like Diane Feinstein?


Diann said she is not running again for 2024. She is just trying to finish out her current term.

While Trump is a dynamo compared to Biden, Trump is just one fall or cheeseburger away from risking serious cognitive issues at his advanced age.

You can already see that Trump has lost a few steps from his first campaign. He is not going to get any sharper over the coming years.
60   socal2   2023 Sep 25, 1:46pm  

Speaking of Cognitive decline.

Trump mixing up the Bushes after mixing up Obama and Biden the week before and saying Biden would start WWII.

https://twitter.com/SonofHas/status/1706404675371639020
61   AmericanKulak   2023 Sep 25, 1:58pm  

socal2 says

Respectfully - this is crazy pill stupid thing to say. Even the most liberal Rhino JEB! would have governed better on the border, taxes and culture compared to what we are seeing from Biden and the Democrats today.

Why would you think that?

Sucessive Republican Presidents and Houses have done jack shit on the border, and we have the worst border crisis ever.

Just like the Budget under Ryan, blew right up.
62   socal2   2023 Sep 25, 2:23pm  

AmericanKulak says

Sucessive Republican Presidents and Houses have done jack shit on the border,


Sure they could do alot more, but I really doubt that a JEB! would be telling illegals to "surge" to the Border like Biden did here. I doubt a RHINO President would let the DOJ sue border states for trying to stem the tide of illegals as Biden's DOJ has been doing the past 3 years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYwLYMPLYbo

The border situation has never been worse. I could use a little Mitt Romney or JEB! border control right about now.

Even our worst RHINO is galaxy level better than the bonkers Donkey party on immigration. And we are going to get 4 more years of unrestrained bonkers Liberalism because Trump will likely lose to any Democrat not named Biden or Hillary.


63   AmericanKulak   2023 Sep 25, 2:34pm  

socal2 says

Sure they could do alot more, but I really doubt that a JEB! would be telling illegals to "surge" to the Border like Biden did here. I doubt a RHINO President would let the DOJ sue border states for trying to stem the tide of illegals as Biden's DOJ has been doing the past 3 years.

Dubya paints pictures of Mexicans, Jeb! has always been an open borders advocate

Texas Republicans, run by Bushites, themselves hem and haw on the border and don't treat it as a crisis.

We just saw GOP Establishment priorities in Texas when Bushites tried to impeach Paxton on no evidence rather than tackle real problems like the Border and LGBTQ+ fascism.

I don't care about Biden, I care about bothering to elect the RIGHT opposition, not the Fake Opposition.
64   AmericanKulak   2023 Sep 25, 2:36pm  

Remember 2016? Here's Jeb's Open Border:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVyq8eO_rC0

"Donald Trump's immigration plan is not conservative and doesn't reflect America's Values" - !!!Jeb!!!

And this was his stance in a primary, when he was trying to appeal to the base, and still he expressed concerns about civil liberties, distaste for a wall, and lots of platitudes about the US being the Nation of Immigrants.
65   AmericanKulak   2023 Sep 25, 2:39pm  

Jeb Bush demands Trump ends "Heartless" Border Policy, 2018
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/06/18/jeb-bush-demands-trump-end-heartless-child-border-policy/

And always "Dreamers... and a path to citizenship"
https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/1008730704497258496

In reality, he means, wide open border and constant amnesties and and look aways to maximize cheap labor for his donor class.

So no, Jeb is the very model of the milquetoast fauxservative Corporate Socialist.

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