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Reports Of Russia Breaking Apart Surface Again


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2023 Aug 14, 7:06am   1,113 views  25 comments

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#russiabreakingapart Some months ago an intelligence report from the Swedish Army raised the prospect of Russia breaking apart as a result of the Ukraine war. The report said that nuclear weapons would be used inside Russia. Another report has surfaced reinforcing this possibility.

The Ukraine War might really break up the Russian Federation
By Alexander J. Motyl, opinion contributor,

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It’s time to start taking the potential disintegration of Russia seriously.

A number of analysts see the shattering of the Russian Federation as a possible aftermath of Vladimir Putin’s catastrophic war in Ukraine.

Although the world would be better off with a much weakened Russia, its fall may not go smoothly.

The Jamestown Foundation’s Janusz Bugajski would probably agree with this assessment: “as a rump state, under intense international sanctions and shorn of its resource base in Siberia, [Russia] will have severely reduced capabilities to attack neighbors.”

As a result, “NATO’s eastern front will become more secure; while Ukraine, Georgia and Moldova will regain their occupied territories and petition for European Union and NATO integration without fear of Russia’s reaction.” Moreover, “countries in Central Asia will also feel increasingly liberated.”

Washington Post columnist David Ignatius holds a gloomier view: “A fragmenting, demoralized Russia is a devil’s playground. … Russia’s internal disarray poses a severe dilemma for Putin, but it’s very dangerous for the West, too.”

The Carnegie Endowment for International Peace’s Tatiana Stanovaya occupies a middle ground, while leaning toward Ignatius. She writes that, on the one hand, “the Kremlin will be wrestling simultaneously with…a deepening crisis of Putin’s leadership, a growing lack of political accountability, increasingly ineffective responses by the authorities to new challenges, an intensifying fragmentation among elites, and a society that is growing more antiestablishment.”

On the other hand, although “the world will have to contend with a more dangerous and unpredictable Russia,” it’s likely that “this inward turn could lead to a more pragmatic approach to the war against Ukraine.”

Bugajski’s optimism derives from his focus on a post-disintegration Russia, one that is a rump state under international scrutiny, lacking the economic and military resources it would need to pursue an imperialist agenda. Ignatius’s pessimism, like that of Stanovaya, derives from their focus on the process of Russia’s disintegration, which, even in the best imaginable circumstances, would be very messy. Both Ignatius implicitly and Stanovaya explicitly worry about a less predictable Russia, which would presumably be more dangerous.

So, who is right?

Bugajski is correct to argue that a rump Russia reduced to the area bounded by St. Petersburg, Moscow and Nizhny Novgorod would immediately cease being a major geopolitical player and thus a threat to any of its neighbors — especially if the latter band together with the West. Life within that state might be poorer, but it would also likely be safer and more secure.

And even if rump Russia retained all of its nuclear weapons, it would be in no position to use them, except in the highly unlikely event of a coordinated attack by its neighbors.

But Ignatius and Stanovaya are also right to worry about the path to Russia’s final disintegration. Putin is trapped and possibly inclined to take desperate measures. Russia’s former president and prime minister, Dmitry Medvedev, is, as his unhinged missives suggest, arguably insane — and he is not, alas, alone in his insanity. Russia’s elites are fractured and fragmented, lacking a cohesive and coherent vision of their country’s future; no one knows what to do about the disastrous war with Ukraine.

As Stanovaya says, “these developments are transforming Russia into a far less cohesive entity, one rife with internal contradictions and conflicts, more volatile and lacking predictability.”

But why is internal disarray and unpredictability a problem for the West — or, for that matter, Ukraine, or any of Russia’s other neighbors?

Russia has been in disarray for 30 years. True, the Boris Yeltsin years in the 1990s were especially difficult, but Putin has decidedly failed to build a cohesive society and functioning economy. A repressed society may be more pliant, but it is not cohesive and stable, as the Soviets learned during perestroika.

A dirigiste economy may enable the authorities to funnel resources toward whichever projects they want, but it is not therefore more functional. Putin did succeed in building a stronger regime and state, but even that success has been deceptive. It’s clear now that strengthening the forces of coercion while permitting the bureaucracy to run roughshod and seize rents is no way to promote state strength, but it is an excellent way to promote corruption and self-enrichment.

In sum, post-Soviet Russia has always been, in Stanovaya’s phrase, “rife with internal contradictions and conflicts.” The difference is that now they’re visible.

Post-Soviet Russia has also been unpredictable. Who thought Yeltsin would open fire on the parliament? That an unknown KGB officer would succeed him? That that unknown KGB officer would destroy several buildings inhabited by hundreds of Russians in order to consolidate his rule? That he would imprison and then free Mikhail Khodorkovsky? That he would launch a war against Ukraine in 2014 and relaunch it in 2022? That he wouldn’t crack down on a putschist mercenary leader who led an aborted coup attempt?

Putin has always been appreciated for his ability to outplay and surprise the West. What is that, if not unpredictability? Is unpredictability likely to increase if Russia experiences disintegration? Or is the opposite more likely — that, as both Ignatius and Stanovaya predict, Russia will become more repressive at home, that Putin will become more desperate, that the war will remain a quagmire for Russia and a liberation struggle for Ukraine, and that Putin’s rule and regime are headed for oblivion?

Russia’s neighbors and the West have been living with a deeply unstable and unpredictable Russia for three decades. Whatever the reasons for this state of affairs, there is almost zero likelihood that Russia will suddenly shed its instability and unpredictability and stop its slide toward disintegration. As Bugajski, Ignatius and Stanovaya recognize, instability and unpredictability are a product of Russia’s internal affairs. As such, they will continue to take their course, regardless of what the West or Ukraine do.

All that the West and Ukraine, as well as Russia’s other neighbors, can do is win the war, insulate themselves from Russia’s mayhem and imagine what will need to be done to make sure that Bugajski’s vision proves durable.

Alexander J. Motyl is a professor of political science at Rutgers University-Newark specializing in Ukraine, Russia and the USSR. He is the author of 10 books of nonfiction, as well as Imperial Ends and Why Empires Reemerge .

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1   Onvacation   2023 Aug 14, 8:20am  

ohomen171 says

It’s clear now that strengthening the forces of coercion while permitting the bureaucracy to run roughshod and seize rents is no way to promote state strength, but it is an excellent way to promote corruption and self-enrichment.

Are you talking about Russia? Or the US?
2   Shaman   2023 Aug 14, 8:45am  

What is clear is that Russia is not only winning the war, but has built itself richer and stronger while it’s been going on, and it’s new alliance with China is really helping its security.
Stop reading propaganda.
3   Tenpoundbass   2023 Aug 14, 9:01am  

Who thinks Putin should appologize for sucking less than Joe Biden?
4   RWSGFY   2023 Aug 14, 9:14am  

The Soviets stir this shit up to scare Western Chicken Littles into inaction. But come think of it, last time the USSR broke up it was very positive event freeing multiple peoples from under Soviet impereal yoke and bringing massive peace dividents to the rest of the world. So if they break up again into a smaller Evil Empire and some normal independent non-imperial countries as a result of their most recent stupid and frivolous military adventure nobody would shed any tears.
5   casandra   2023 Aug 14, 9:32am  

Some like kool-aid more than others!
6   GNL   2023 Aug 14, 10:35am  

Shaman says

What is clear is that Russia is not only winning the war, but has built itself richer and stronger while it’s been going on, and it’s new alliance with China is really helping its security.
Stop reading propaganda.

You just described winning.
7   Ceffer   2023 Aug 14, 10:49am  

Russia is DEAD! Long Live Russia! The screaming Swiss vampires will be touting this even as we we wind up spending gold backed rubles and they are dissolving into ash in the sunlight.
8   Onvacation   2023 Aug 14, 10:55am  

RWSGFY says

Soviet impereal yoke

Is that an egg dish?
9   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2023 Aug 14, 2:17pm  

David Ignatius is a notorious deep-state propagandist.
10   GNL   2023 Aug 14, 2:35pm  

GNL says


Shaman says


What is clear is that Russia is not only winning the war, but has built itself richer and stronger while it’s been going on, and it’s new alliance with China is really helping its security.
Stop reading propaganda.

You just described winning.


Haha, I'm a ding dong. I thought you said Russia WASN'T winning.
11   richwicks   2023 Aug 14, 2:37pm  

RWSGFY says

The Soviets stir this shit up to scare Western Chicken Littles into inaction. But come think of it, last time the USSR broke up it was very positive event freeing multiple peoples from under Soviet impereal yoke and bringing massive peace dividents to the rest of the world. So if they break up again into a smaller Evil Empire and some normal independent non-imperial countries as a result of their most recent stupid and frivolous military adventure nobody would shed any tears.


It's the US causing most of the wars today. It's the US that is the evil empire. We need to breakup.
12   AD   2023 Aug 14, 2:40pm  

As far as currency the ruble is almost back to its same level right after Russia invaded Ukraine.

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14   RWSGFY   2023 Aug 29, 7:12am  

Keir Giles - Why we should not Fear that Soviet Defeat would be more Dangerous than Soviet Victory:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6qwNNs5ukMY&feature=youtu.be
15   Onvacation   2023 Aug 29, 7:41pm  

RWSGFY says


Keir Giles - Why we should not Fear that Soviet Defeat would be more Dangerous than Soviet Victory:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6qwNNs5ukMY&feature=youtu.be

Giles argues the war is good because it's using up all of our old weapons so now we can build some new ones. Fucking warmongering globalist.

I have noticed that UTube promotes globalist propaganda like, "Watch victorious Ukrainians shoot down Russian drone!"

I wouldn't worry too much about Russia losing. The Ukrainians have to take offensive action against prepared positions. The Russians only have to hold on until the west runs out of ammo or the Ukes run out of soldiers.
16   AD   2023 Aug 29, 7:45pm  

Onvacation says

I wouldn't worry too much about Russia losing. The Ukrainians have to take offensive action against prepared positions. The Russians only have to hold on until the west runs out of ammo or the Ukes run out of soldiers.


Birdbrain Biden is requesting about $24 billion in 2024 for Ukraine, compared to about $50 billion each in 2022 and 2023.

Its revealing that he only requested less than 1/2 of previous budgets, so perhaps there is less motivation to keep the war going for various reasons such as less Ukrainian men available to serve in combat.

So this may be because they are planning a wind down toward at least a cease fire and drawn out peace negotiations.

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17   Ceffer   2023 Aug 29, 7:46pm  

The MSM Kool Aide must be pretty potent for anybody outside of literal vested employment by the propaganda machines to believe this daft shit spread about Russia.
18   UkraineIsTotallyFucked   2023 Oct 26, 8:39pm  

What happened to the Great Russian Breakup?
19   komputodo   2023 Oct 26, 8:45pm  

PumpingRedheads says

What happened to the Great Russian Breakup?

any moment now
20   Tenpoundbass   2023 Oct 26, 8:45pm  

Is Zelinski blue yet!?
21   Shaman   2023 Oct 27, 8:39am  

I honestly now believe that all this death and destruction in Ukraine was caused by the USA for the sole purpose of weakening the Russian military enough that they wouldn’t be in a position to support their ally Iran when we attack them. If Russia DOES support Iran, that leads quickly to WWIII.
So they did Ukraine first.
23   RWSGFY   2023 Oct 27, 8:46am  

... and again, and again, and again. Also Pukin has ass cancer and got 3 days to live... since 2014...

Enough of this silliness.
25   komputodo   2023 Oct 27, 1:04pm  

Shaman says


I honestly now believe that all this death and destruction in Ukraine was caused by the USA for the sole purpose of weakening the Russian military enough that they wouldn’t be in a position to support their ally Iran when we attack them. If Russia DOES support Iran, that leads quickly to WWIII.
So they did Ukraine first.

yeah the admin. is playing 5D chess. That's a lot of believing.

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