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ICE officers are ready to round up and deport a million illegals, Trump official says


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2019 Jul 9, 3:57am   2,910 views  57 comments

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7223835/ICE-officers-ready-round-deport-million-illegal-immigrants.html

Federal authorities are preparing to deport a million illegal immigrants, a top Trump official has said.

Ken Cuccinelli, the acting head of U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, said ICE officers would target a million people who have been handed 'final removal orders' by a judge.

Speaking to Face the Nation on CBS he insisted that ICE officers were just 'doing their job' and said deportations 'should be going on on a rolling basis', amid fierce political tensions over immigration.

President Trump last month promised that 'millions of illegal aliens' would be removed from the United States.


This is good news.

Illegal immigrants drive down wages for the poorest American citizens, with lots of help from the US Chamber of Commerce, appropriately abbreviated as the CoC. The CoC, which is basically the bosses' union, cares about nothing but business profits and are more than willing to push US citizens further into poverty to do it.

The election of Trump was in large part resistance to the CoC's assault on Americans.

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18   WookieMan   2019 Jul 9, 10:07am  

Goran_K says
Do you honestly think the overall economy is better off because of illegals? Let's not concentrate on the micro level and examine individual firms, I'm talking about the overall economy.


No, I don't. But removing a million people will bring some shock to the economy. Won't be a crash by any means, but higher labor costs and fewer customers is generally not a good thing for businesses, right? I don't claim to be an economic genius, but isn't this common sense? I'm not fighting for illegals to stay, but it's just statistics. We'd recover just fine if they were all deported tomorrow, but it's not going to be as smooth as people think on the economic front.

The presumption that we deport them, wages jump on the low end and all that money gets sunk into the economy probably isn't realistic either. Remember these low paying jobs aren't paying federal taxes anyway most the time with legal or illegals. Once they hit a certain threshold, they actually start paying federal income taxes and they have less money than they realize.

Yes illegals are on welfare, but so are a bunch of citizens. We've created the incentive for a lot of people to not work and be productive. I have a high school classmate that's in infinite engagement because the second they get married she'll lose food stamps and a bunch of other beni's being a mother of two kids. Illegals broke the law getting in no doubt, but we have plenty of citizens bending/breaking rules to get free hand outs that are likely a much higher cost than illegals.

Again, leverage. We're likely in one of the best positions in a generation to get an immigration solution. Deporting a bunch of people and them being gone wipes out any leverage we had over the productive illegals. Please understand I'm not an amnesty for all guy. It seems like some are taking it that way.
19   WookieMan   2019 Jul 9, 10:13am  

socal2 says
We need to send a message as a deterrent. Right now, illegals rightfully believe that they are basically off scott-free if they can sneak across the border. So people will keep trying unless they know the government and society will continue to pursue them even if they successfully break in.


I agree with this. Which is why Goran's point 1 is sooooo important. It probably can solve 80% of the problem if people can't cross the souther border. Tax the shit out of the fuckers that are willing to stay on our terms though should also be a deterrent. And if they still want to break the law, they know we're going to skim 10-20% of their wages, if they're productive and we find them here. Again, I'm not for amnesty, but something needs to get done and some form of it needs to be on the table to get anything done. Otherwise the status quo stays and nothing has changed. For every 1 you deport 2 will come back in, one of them being the deported.
20   clambo   2019 Jul 9, 11:39am  

A million deported is a good start.

Enforce E-verify; take away the incentive to work in the USA illegally. Fine employers who employ illegal labor.

People have forgotten the dire situation in the USA in the 1930's with bread lines and unemployed people riding on freight trains to get around.

A job is a precious thing to a man and lately society here wants to give it away.

I have argued with pampered pooch females about how they do work "Americans won't do." I then tell the bitch that my mother picked strawberries in the summer, later was a chambermaid to spend summer in Nantucket island.

Since I have lived and worked in Mexico, I'm bilingual; I have been visiting since I left in the early 1980s. Living in California became a shock to see how they are coddled.

Living for a few years in Florida I met the other illegals from places like Colombia and Venezuela.

The system here is entirely dysfunctional; the people who come on tourist visas who never leave are not caught and deported; why not????

The most ignorant people believe that labor supply grows an economy and makes us richer; it is the opposite; the law of supply and demand apples to labor. More labor supply drives down wages.

Trump is entirely correct that the border has to be secured; crime is rampant in Mexico, the gangsters operate with impunity everywhere and they are enriched by sending drugs into the USA over a porous border.
21   mell   2019 Jul 9, 11:47am  

clambo says
I have argued with pampered pooch females about how they do work "Americans won't do." I then tell the bitch that my mother picked strawberries in the summer, later was a chambermaid to spend summer in Nantucket island.


What they are saying is that it is work modren womyn with a degree in gender studies won't do. Most men would if they had to. So would women back in the days.
22   SunnyvaleCA   2019 Jul 9, 1:37pm  

Quigley says
I’m mostly in agreement with Wookieman. Give those who have shown good faith a path to citizenship, and toss the criminals. This accomplishes the goal of removing illegals from the workforce, since the people will now have either a legal status of Americans or they will be Mexicans living in Mexico.

We did that with the Reagan amnesty. If anything, it caused more illegal immigration. Now we're going to do another round of amnesty and have another round of increased illegal immigration? Round after round of "one time" amnesty is not really different than open borders and citizenship (and welfare) for the entire world.
23   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Jul 9, 1:41pm  

clambo says
The system here is entirely dysfunctional; the people who come on tourist visas who never leave are not caught and deported; why not????


The US doesn't have national police who MUST report and hold visa overstays for deportation, unlike almost every country in the world.

Any and all aid to state law enforcement must come with a duty to arrest and hold for deportation any visa overstayers, straight to Federal Authorities.

Sanctuary City? Not one Federal Dollar for law enforcement.

Pay any LEO agency $200 to arrest and and $100/day to hold detainees and BOOM. They'll spend as much time doing that as speed traps.
24   SunnyvaleCA   2019 Jul 9, 1:42pm  

SunnyvaleCA says
Give those who have shown good faith a path to citizenship
When they become citizens, what's to prevent them from going on welfare like other low-skilled citizens? And, when they are working before becoming citizens, do they really generate enough surplus taxes to pay for themselves and their kids' very expensive schooling? Hint: 3 kids in California schools is $30k or more; to collect $30k in various state taxes they would need an adjusted gross income of $180k/year and to be paying full property taxes on a $1.2 MM house. Is that really typical for the people sneaking across the border? If you were that productive, seems to me you would just buy your way into a 1st-world country legally.
25   clambo   2019 Jul 9, 2:42pm  

sunnyvale's proposal is absurd, and will further bankrupt the USA while allowing the illegals the right to vote and ruin the USA completely.

No illegal alien should be granted full rights as a reward for breaking our laws knowingly.

Worse, the now citizen will import his extended family and further bankrupt medicare.

The actual cost of an illegal in the USA is the hundreds of thousands of dollars as soon as they inevitably go to the hospital.

I know several illegal alien females who had medical issues; one had surgery before having her anchor baby; another two have diabetes and an illegal boy I know went up to Stanford for free cancer treatment. Well, nothing is free; we taxpayers paid for it.

Bleeding hearts are invited to spend a year living in Mexico without staying in a nice airbnb or hotel and look for a job to see how Mexicans treat each other. They'll treat you worse of course because they won't like you competing with them for a job.
26   RWSGFY   2019 Jul 9, 4:07pm  

Quigley says
I’m mostly in agreement with Wookieman. Give those who have shown good faith a path to citizenship


Fuck, no.
27   just_passing_through   2019 Jul 9, 10:16pm  

Hugolas_Madurez says
Fuck, no.


Double that.

We did that shit in the 80s.
28   just_passing_through   2019 Jul 9, 10:21pm  

clambo says
know several illegal alien females who had medical issues; one had surgery before having her anchor baby; another two have diabetes and an illegal boy I know went up to Stanford for free cancer treatment. Well, nothing is free; we taxpayers paid for it.


I dated a Brazilian chick for a few years who had heart issues (she was 21 when I met her) and had to go to the emergency room a few times before being put on meds that reduced the visits by quite a bit.

She showed me letters from the state of CA for 3K here, 3K there where CA basically said, "Don Worry Abad It!", "We Gotcha Covered!".

All while she made more than me at the time under the table as a hot ass Au Pair in Palo Alto. Paid by some multimillionaire tech (CFO?) with a loser stay at home husband who couildn't keep a job.
29   just_passing_through   2019 Jul 9, 10:22pm  

She was a visa over stay. Eventually did a shame marriage to a Navy guy in San Diego to get citizenship.
30   just_passing_through   2019 Jul 9, 10:23pm  

Oh and she stole peoples social security numbers. Not to make money but to apply for shit like college. She just made them up and never know who the hell really owned the number.
31   just_passing_through   2019 Jul 9, 10:24pm  

But that's not why I don't want my country over run by the 3rd world haha... Fuck those assholes round em up!
32   clambo   2019 Jul 9, 10:49pm  

heyyou is confused; the "reps/cons" he refers to don't like Mr. Trump, they employ scab labor from south of the border.

Likewise the Wall Street Journal (CEO is an Australian) doesn't like Mr. Trump much because their editorial position favors unlimited foreign labor supply.

Most of the fat cats and corporate globalist bigwhigs are against the American worker so they are against Mr. Trump.
33   SunnyvaleCA   2019 Jul 9, 11:40pm  

clambo says
sunnyvale's proposal is absurd

Huh? I'm in full agreement of you. What are you talking about? To whitt: "to collect $30k in various state taxes they would need an adjusted gross income of $180k/year and to be paying full property taxes on a $1.2 MM house. Is that really typical for the people sneaking across the border?"
34   Patrick   2019 Jul 10, 3:22am  

Hugolas_Madurez says
Quigley says
I’m mostly in agreement with Wookieman. Give those who have shown good faith a path to citizenship


Fuck, no.


Right! They have already shown bad faith by breaking into the US. They have proven that they do not respect our laws.

I have a problem with rewarding crime.

There are plenty of qualified people with valuable skills who are going through the correct legal process for citizenship. The people who cut in line by jumping the border are shitting on those good people.
35   zzyzzx   2019 Jul 10, 8:18am  

WookieMan says
removing a million people will bring some shock to the economy.


Wages will go up. Traffic will be less. Housing costs will be lower.
36   Hircus   2019 Jul 10, 10:13am  

I agree w/ the idea that there needs to be repercussions to discourage it. If we reward it, or don't punish it, it will continue to flourish.

But, I also feel that suddenly deporting, say ~500k from CA would be a serious hit to the top illegal labor industries, such as agriculture. I have no doubt that farm wages would rise, and new labor would be found, but I think gradually doing this would be much better than some sudden wave. If we did it quickly, I think it would cause utter mayhem, and many businesses would fold due to not having the resources or business model to quickly adapt. If we do it gradually, then the labor would be replaced with some combo of existing citizens shifting jobs + existing citizens entering workforce + new LEGAL immigrants + new John Deere equipment ... 4 very good things. Some businesses would still fold, but new businesses would rise or expand.

With that said, I also think getting mass public support for deporting and replacing millions would be tough. My general feeling is that people don't see most of them as criminals, as they feel illegal immigration is an "understandable" crime on the level of jaywalking (everyone does it, mostly because it's not really enforced).

But, that idea of a punishment tax ... that sounds more realistic to me.

I've always felt that we could give employers new tools to help them verify, and be more aggressive about fining them heavily when they violate and hire illegals. They hire illegals because the economics make sense, so we just need to change the economics of it. I bet we could accomplish that for a reasonable price. We could also make a snitch reward, where citizens are given $$ for successfully tipping off ICE, creating a huge, inexpensive enforcement team that gets deep into the cracks.
37   WillPowers   2019 Jul 10, 3:25pm  

WookieMan says
Illegals are a drag, but I'm guessing if you did the math, it's probably a net gain economy wise if they stay.


Yeah, it's a net gain for the corporations that need lots of cheap unskilled labor. It's a boon for them, but a drag for Americans who need a low paid job to survive if they can't find one.
38   zzyzzx   2019 Jul 11, 9:49am  

Every democrat who advocates for sanctuary cities is complicit in all the crime committed by illegal aliens already ordered for deportation.
39   Tenpoundbass   2019 Jul 11, 10:09am  

Trump is pure genius. There's absolutely no way he can deport 1 million people in two days. He should have just said, he would deport all 11 million plus illegals in this country.

So rather than the Democrats laughing at him and saying. "Oh yeah? Show me!" They are going out of their way to virtue signal to a group of people that shouldn't even be allowed to vote. They are playing into Trump's hand of dejecting the American voters to placate a group of people that shouldn't have the right to vote. This will go on through July of next year. Then I expect Trump to drop some game changing election rules that prohibit even just ONE illegal vote.

Trump comes out smelling like a rose to his base, because he would have deported 11 million illegals if not for those Commie Libs.
40   Tenpoundbass   2019 Jul 11, 10:14am  

My bet would be, Trump doesn't do anything major to Election laws nor Immigrants until after the Democrat primaries.

Then he will fix both of those issues for good. That way the same illegal votes that will eventually carry one of the Socialist candidates over to the nomination. Wont be around to vote in the General election. And again, the Bernie butthurters will sit the election out.
44   Booger   2019 Jul 14, 8:10am  

Acting ICE director wants politicians in sanctuary cities charged with crimes!!!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/acting-ice-director-wants-politicians-in-sanctuary-cities-charged-with-crimes/

He also says politicians should be held "personally accountable" for crimes committed by people living in the U.S. illegally.

Homan says, "We've got to start charging some of these politicians with crimes."
45   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2019 Jul 14, 8:11am  

On the Sunday Fox news show, was Ben Ray Lujan, the head of the Hispanic caucus in the House, which is basically an ethnic or racial minority caucus based upon having a Spanish culture. So it can include white people, descendants of white slave owners (Marco Rubio), descendants of the butcherers of the Central and South American Indians, Indians and descendants of the butchered Indians ((Julian Castro) including descendants of cannibals (Carib, Julian Castro?).

The caucus represents Americans of Spanish heritage, and illegal alien citizens of Spanish heritage of other countries, and encompasses primarily mestizos and Indians, who are always the tug-at-your-heart poster children of the oppressive system. But also whites, including Germans and Italians who happened to have settled in Central and South America, e.g., Argentina, almost totally European folks. Also blacks (bottom of the rung, or maybe pure Indians are?) and surprisingly, Asians.

By the standards of this bogus group, the Irish and folks in India would be of the same ethnicity, and even race, by virtue of having been colonized by England, intermarried, and having adopted elements of English culture. So it is a bogus group on its very basis, but it is used effectively by folks who want special treatment, like affirmative action, no borders and no ICE, and who command s good amount of so self-identified voters.

Lujan could have been Italian or Spanish, or a descendant of a white Spanish butcherer, but he was laying on the racism card very thick. But it's not a race.
46   RWSGFY   2019 Jul 14, 2:54pm  

Biden was approached by a Spanish-speaking man who claimed his brother had been deported during the Obama years. The man used a female translator to tell Biden his story and asked him to apologize for supporting such policies. He also asked if Biden would support halting deportations of illegal immigrants entirely.

“I have a three-month-old daughter and two months ago, in May, I was detained and put into deportation proceedings,” the man said. "I want you to apologize to the three million immigrants that were deported and separated from their families under the Obama years.”


Biden stood firm, however, and said he would not be apologizing and would not be supporting a policy that ends deportations outright.

"No," he replied, "I will not halt deportations and detentions.” Protestors continued to chant and demanded an apology but Biden remained intransigent.
52   Onvacation   2019 Jul 14, 4:23pm  

Trump's trolling again.

He wants to make sure that everyone knows that his opponents over border control care more about criminal illegal aliens than law abiding US citizens.
54   Onvacation   2019 Jul 14, 7:40pm  

TrumpingTits says
the Dem debates?

Sad.

I was, however, introduced to Tulsi. There is hope for the party of JFK, not so much for the party of Johnson and Hillary.
55   komputodo   2019 Jul 14, 7:59pm  

how do you round up 1 million people? how do you transport 1 million people? how long would it take to transport 1 million people? Do the math...I don't see it happening.....trump is trolling the dems again...lol
56   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Jul 14, 9:13pm  

komputodo says
how do you round up 1 million people? how do you transport 1 million people? how long would it take to transport 1 million people? Do the math...I don't see it happening.....trump is trolling the dems again...lol


Every time he trolls them, there is a huge spike in TDS and stupid behavior on the left. Gotta give it to him, he knows how to piss them off.
57   RC2006   2019 Jul 14, 9:18pm  

komputodo says
how do you round up 1 million people? how do you transport 1 million people? how long would it take to transport 1 million people? Do the math...I don't see it happening.....trump is trolling the dems again...lol


He takes over FedEx and ups and overnights them back in boxes.

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