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Should churches be taxed


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2019 Apr 20, 5:29pm   1,468 views  20 comments

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1   HeadSet   2019 Apr 20, 5:31pm  

Should churches be taxed

Yep. And no tax deductible donations unless aid for the poor
2   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Apr 20, 5:49pm  

I agree, if we're also going to tax private Liberal Arts Colleges, yes? Many of which operate as non-profit educational institutions, but in reality snatch up land and impose many costs on the surrounding area without paying taxes.
4   tovarichpeter   2019 Apr 20, 6:22pm  

I think churches should pay property taxes, which are state and local.
5   RC2006   2019 Apr 20, 7:40pm  

Absolutely
6   SunnyvaleCA   2019 Apr 20, 7:52pm  

As far as churchgoers' "donations" are concerned, technically, only the donations that go to "good will" ought to be tax exempt. To the extent that the donations are for the religious services for the benefit of the churchgoer, the donation is really just a fee for service. (Just like my Sunday morning "donation" to the local golf course for greens fee isn't tax exempt.) But how do we determine what portion is part of the "fee for service" and how much is going to "good will"? For example, the church building houses the homeless (and other "good will" activities) AND it serves for the church services (fee for service). How do we divvy up? It gets very complicated, which leads quite quickly to tax fraud. So: don't allow any portion of any donation of any sort to be tax deductible. Done!
7   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2019 Apr 20, 8:29pm  

Not sure why everyone is so gung ho about making religious organizations a special form of non profit for purposes of taxation.

https://www.freedomforuminstitute.org/first-amendment-center/topics/freedom-of-religion/establishment-clause-overview/tax-exemptions/
8   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Apr 21, 9:20am  

i personally think there should be 0 taxes on labor. do that + balanced budget amendment. problems will go away with spending shit irresponsibly.
9   HeadSet   2019 Apr 21, 2:40pm  

FortWayneIndiana says
i personally think there should be 0 taxes on labor.


Well, we are somewhat there - No taxes on illegal immigrant labor paid under the table.
10   SunnyvaleCA   2019 Apr 21, 4:12pm  

CovfefeButDeadly says
Not sure why everyone is so gung ho about making religious organizations a special form of non profit for purposes of taxation.

https://www.freedomforuminstitute.org/first-amendment-center/topics/freedom-of-religion/establishment-clause-overview/tax-exemptions/

I'm for making churches just like every other organization... no organizations at all should be tax exempt! Everyone should pay taxes.

Consider organizations like the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation. Let's even assume that everyone loves the work that organization does. Still, why should it be tax exempt? Why not tax all the money that goes into that organization and then lower everyone else's tax rates accordingly. What would be so wrong with that? One set of tax laws for all. The flip side is that organizations that are frauds or that do work I don't agree with (and don't even get to vote on) are tax exempt; hitting those orgs with taxes would be fantastic.
11   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Apr 21, 4:46pm  

Non Profits should just pay flat 5% tax on revenue. That's more than fair.
12   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Apr 21, 8:21pm  

HeadSet says
FortWayneIndiana says
i personally think there should be 0 taxes on labor.


Well, we are somewhat there - No taxes on illegal immigrant labor paid under the table.


We both know that's not exactly what I meant, and I think we both find that situation rather ironic how it turned out.
13   WookieMan   2019 Apr 22, 1:24am  

Churches/religion are quasi country clubs for weirdos to be honest. It really is just some social club with the veil of "religion" being some morally superior idea. Here's a massive church near me (somewhat). https://www.willowcreek.org

That's a fucking business my friends, plain and simple. In some of their "religious" photos, they show a multi-million dollar stage with equipment and setup that rivals private clubs/venues that book top national acts. I'm sure they could actually host a Stones concert without much effort and the band would be happy with the setup.

Every religious institution should be paying whatever taxes any other business does. It really is a business at the end of the day, but hey, attached Jesus to it and it's different.
14   HeadSet   2019 Apr 22, 6:43am  

FortWayneIndiana says
HeadSet says
FortWayneIndiana says
i personally think there should be 0 taxes on labor.


Well, we are somewhat there - No taxes on illegal immigrant labor paid under the table.


We both know that's not exactly what I meant, and I think we both find that situation rather ironic how it turned out.


My point was that the illegals are getting this benefit while the legal employees/employers are not. I did not miss your intent, I was just pointing out the irony.
15   Blue   2019 Apr 22, 8:08am  

I visited a church in San Jose and found pictures near at front of the office, they are east Indians. There is a 'sad' note about next to each picture. I think this a selling point to get donations. But all are obese though. I know back then lazy people who do not want to work go for religious conversion so that they get some peanuts from US much less than what they would get if they go to work. Most of them go through well know sexual abuse there.
16   Bd6r   2019 Apr 22, 9:37am  

No one working for a non-profit should be earning more than US Prez, which is ca. 400K now, + allow some minimal reimbursement of expenses (20K or so per year). Pay your megachurch leader more - lose nonprofit status. All snake oil salespeople would get lost.
17   tovarichpeter   2019 Apr 22, 4:55pm  

In California not only are churches allowed to avoid paying property taxes but so are millions of homeowners under prop 13. Prop 13 also allows millions of Californians to vote for property tax increases that they will never have to pay.
18   Y   2019 Apr 22, 9:13pm  

Give them saturday as well as sunday off...
href="/post/1324030">tovarichpeter says

Should churches be taxed
19   Blue   2019 Apr 22, 11:39pm  

In Bay Area as most are becoming atheists or "nones", its challenging to attract people to fill churches. Now they turn to illegals and homeless. In some places, its allowed to park and stay overnight, the neighbors are not necessarily happy about these programs.
20   HeadSet   2019 Apr 23, 11:30am  

the neighbors are not necessarily happy about these programs.

They voted for it.......

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