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Soros Warns of 'Mortal Danger' for 'open societies' in China Using AI

By Heraclitusstudent following x   2019 Jan 25, 4:12pm 1,960 views   34 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


The guy is freaking out.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2019-01-25/soros-warns-of-mortal-danger-in-china-using-ai-video

Trade war should turn to tech war pretty fast.
Huawei is just the beginning.


1   cmdrda2leak   ignore (0)   2019 Jan 25, 4:35pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

paywall. can ye paste?
2   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 25, 4:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's a video. I don't see a pay wall.
But anyway, he's just freaking out that AI will allow totalitarian states like China to bend people into their purpose through "social credit system". "It will subordinate the fate of the individual to the interest of the one party state in ways unprecedented in history".
The new tech gives this regimes powerful new tools, and thus gives them an inherent advantage over open societies.
3   cmdrda2leak   ignore (0)   2019 Jan 25, 4:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        



Got it. Thanks.
4   Ceffer   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 25, 4:59pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yes, Soros, go paranoid into that not-so-gentle night! Must get the ole ticker cranked in the morning.
5   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jan 25, 5:52pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I guess Soros must be really worried about all that Google data collection and all the Social Media bans of widely held center-right views, eh?
6   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 25, 5:57pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yeah. independent of Soros... China is not going to back down on tech spying/tech subsidies and increasing tech investments and control.
They want to be the next tech superpower.

The US will want to prevent at least spying & forced transfers of tech. And probably will want more controls on where US tech is going. And will want to block companies like Huawei, and others that are subsidized/controlled by the Chinese state, and sell techs that could in principle easily be used for spying.

And if Huawei is blocked, what prevents China from blocking Apple, Cisco, Oracle, Microsoft?

This is no longer about trade.
7   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 25, 6:05pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

These issues are not going to be negotiated out.
8   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jan 25, 6:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
These issues are not going to be negotiated out.



Nope. We need a law that no government agency OR contractor handling ANY US Government Business uses anything but US equipment made in US Factories by US owned companies.

That one law just made the US far more secure and create 1000s of good paying jobs - at least! 10,000+ if they're not highly automated.
9   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 25, 6:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yes, but you let Americans buy Huawei phones and computers, and let T and VZ install Huawei 5G?

If you don't, what prevents China from doing the same to US companies?

It's not even driven by tariff man anymore.
It's about power.
10   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Jan 25, 6:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
So you let Americans buy Huawei phones and computers, and let telecom companies install Huawei 5G?



Hmmm, maybe we should ban Huawei phones and computers nationwide. Good call, Heraclitus Student.

It's not like we'd lose our -hahaha- trade surplus with China.

After all, "Free Trade" Canada mandates majority ownership of Canadian Telecoms - and Banks.

I'd rather pay a few billion in soybean subsidies than have China controlling our network.
11   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Jan 25, 6:18pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
China is not going to back down on tech spying/tech subsidies and increasing tech investments and control.
They want to be the next tech superpower.
Heraclitusstudent says
This is no longer about trade.


US closes the barn door after Huawei has bolted. Washington's effort to block Huawei’s global dominance in 5G is nothing but an attempt to distract from its own catastrophic policy failure.

China’s flagship tech company Huawei is the first Chinese company to establish global dominance in a game-changing technology, namely 5G mobile broadband. Washington’s efforts to thwart Huawei’s rise simply are an after-the-fact charade by the US national security establishment to deflect blame for a catastrophic policy failure. With a wink and a nudge, the rest of the world will humor the United States, and continue to do business with the Chinese giant.

American intelligence officials warn that Huawei’s dominance of 5G broadband will give China the capacity to tap into Western communications. That probably is true, but it is the least of America’s problems. 5G communications make possible a whole generation of new technologies, including industrial controls. Download speeds an order or two of magnitude greater than existing mobile broadband are the foundation of the so-called Internet of Things.

Huawei’s internal assessment holds that its technological lead in 5G mobile broadband is so wide that the competition has no effective chance of catching up. In late February, Huawei will introduce its Balong phone, with a chipset that can handle downloads ten times faster than the best 4G LTE speeds, while operating with 4G networks as well. Industry sources say that Huawei is putting Balong into mass production this year.

Huawei, moreover, sells equipment much cheaper than either Ericsson or Nokia, and its networks by most accounts are far more reliable. Its marketing strategy is more or less the same as Hewlett-Packard’s approach to printers: sell the basic equipment cheaply and make money on the printer cartridges.

Although America’s largest mobile carriers have boycotted Huawei equipment under pressure from the US government, the Chinese company does have some supporters in America.

The most embarrassing inroad that Huawei has made in North America has gone virtually unreported by American media, namely the construction of a national broadband network in Mexico including 5G capability. The “shared network” (Red Compartida) was approved by Mexico’s government early last year and now is under construction. Huawei is the principle equipment provider, flanked by Nokia.

America no longer manufacturers telecom equipment – Cisco got out of the business several years ago – and Huawei’s two Scandinavian competitors are too little, too late, and too expensive. There is little chance that Washington’s efforts to suppress Huawei will succeed. I read this as an after-the-fact response on the part of the US national security establishment to distract attention from their failure to act in time to make a difference.

More: http://www.atimes.com/article/america-closes-the-barn-door-after-huawei-has-bolted/

From the comments section of the link above:

_the Chinese manufacture technology and the U.S. manufactures outrage_

_Excellent piece of information from a respected writer who is a very loyal American. The article is objective and brutally tells the hard facts and to the point. Have always enjoyed reading all he writes for many years already_

If you think Huwaei is a bad actor - read this next one and really have some outrage

Two Chinese smartphone makers most people in the US have never heard of are innovating faster than any other company — even Apple and Samsung

Vivo and Meizu, two Chinese companies you may not have heard of, revealed smartphone concepts that don't have any ports or buttons.

Instead, they're using newer technologies to replace these things, all while keeping the familiar smartphone design.

Meanwhile, other smartphone makers are sticking to more traditional technologies, which now look outdated in comparison to Vivo and Meizu's
concepts.

Vivo and Meizu have revealed smartphone concepts that not only don't come with headphone jacks, but they don't come with charging ports, or speaker grills, or even physical buttons.

The Meizu Zero and Vivo Apex 2019 are seamless slabs of glass and metal where charging is entirely wireless and buttons are replaced with sensors. For audio, Vivo's concept uses vibrations emanating from the display rather than from a traditional speaker.

https://www.businessinsider.com/vivo-meizu-innovating-faster-than-apple-samsung-2019-1

Maybe we could block the Chinese from stealing our Hypersonic Weapon Technology too huh ?
12   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 25, 6:21pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The Xi guy is
- beating his military chest,
- setting up military bases in international water of the China sea, in Djibouti,
- setting up "social credit system" to control his people,
- buying half of Africa, buying harbors infrastructure all over the world,
- buying Australian and European politicians,
- subsidizing Chinese companies to control the tech scene,
- setting up bases for international institutions centered on Asia.

You can't do all this and hope to continue to profit from the West like nothing happened.
13   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Jan 25, 6:26pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
You can't do all this and hope to continue to profit from the West like nothing happened


The bullet points sound just like the U.S. in action with a few name changes - not many though but Regime Change needs to be added.

You can't do all this and hope to continue to profit from the rest of the world like nothing happened
14   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 25, 6:33pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
The bullet points sound just like the U.S. in action with a few name changes

Right because we are in a world dominated by the US. And the US is a country that has values like respecting human rights for example.

Kakistocracy says
You can't do all this and hope to continue to profit from the rest of the world like nothing happened


The US loses something like $500 billions in trade per year to the rest of the world. Maybe you are talking of your own standard of living here. And you seem consumed by shame.

However this is besides the point: The point is this means at least confrontation, if not war.

You may get your wish and stop "profiting from the rest of the world".
15   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Jan 25, 6:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
the US is a country that has values like respecting human rights

We do ?

Not consumed by anything other than boredom which is why I am here.

Heraclitusstudent says
The point is this means at least confrontation, if not war


This means we have rested on our laurels again for too long and are pissed now someone has stolen our thunder and we have no way to catch up - none, they are too far ahead now so we create distractions, manufacture outrage and those really spiffy buildings in the SouthBay while being hopelessly addicted to Facebook etc. we make apps and they make stuff that has value.

Are we going to confront them over their hypersonic weapons too ? Wonder where they stole that from ? The Russians...

Can we worry about something like this which is actually worth worrying about and wonder why we are building the F-35 which is a total POS

Russia’s nuclear-capable underwater drone to be deployed

Russian President Vladimir Putin unveiled the development of Poseidon last March. It is said the unmanned submersible vehicle can carry a two-megaton nuclear warhead and is capable of destroying enemy aircraft carriers and infrastructure facilities.

It would be able to travel at a very high speed and an operational depth of up to 1,000 meters, making its interception very difficult.

http://www.atimes.com/article/russias-nuclear-capable-underwater-drone-to-be-deployed/

Everywhere you look, we are falling behind but we can sure spend like there is no tomorrow on stuff that looks great but doesn't work worth a fuck including our latest aircraft carrier delivered sans working elevators to get the bombs etc. from below deck up to the flight deck and a launch system that doesn't work. No arms, no planes flying - no problem.

We gonna blame all that on the Chinese too ?
16   Iranian_Oil_Burse   ignore (5)   2019 Jan 25, 8:31pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
Russian President Vladimir Putin unveiled the development of Poseidon last March. It is said the unmanned submersible vehicle can carry a two-megaton nuclear warhead and is capable of destroying enemy aircraft carriers and infrastructure facilities.


It's vaporware. They are trying to pull "Star Wars" trick. They have no capacity to build any of wunderwaffe they announce seemingly every month (not to mention some of it clashes with fucking physics). Heck, their once bulletproof space launch capabilities are degrading right in front of our eyes.
17   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 25, 10:29pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
Heraclitusstudent says
the US is a country that has values like respecting human rights

We do ?

I know: it's not clear. After all China, Russia, and even Iran or North Korea are led by decent people who only want what's best for their people. People there enjoy a variety of opinions, are free to discuss anything, and the government generally respects their rights.
It's totally not clear that our system is better.
They are not affected by bigotry, racism, sectarianism, or greed the way we are.
They glide a level above our thoughtlessness.
And so there is no reason to be afraid of them leading the world.
18   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 25, 10:31pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says

This means we have rested on our laurels again for too long and are pissed now someone has stolen our thunder and we have no way to catch up - none, they are too far ahead now so we create distractions

And we are not 1.4B.
They are ~4 times more numerous. Doing more than us as always be a low bar for them.
19   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Jan 26, 2:25am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

DASKAA says
They have no capacity to build any of wunderwaffe


And we have no capacity to build anything that works correctly or that comes in on or under budget. i.e. F-35, USS Gerald Ford, Air Force Refueling Tankers, Base Housing....

Say what u want - we have existed on hubris for a long time now. Might be wise to acknowledge the old grey mare is no where near where we used to be and we are well past peak empire
20   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Jan 26, 2:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
After all China, Russia, and even Iran or North Korea are led by decent people who only want what's best for their people. People there enjoy a variety of opinions, are free to discuss anything, and the government generally respects their rights.


Sounds just like the U.S. again but they are still learning how to do Regime Change from us so at least we still have that to lay claim to.
21   Goran_K   ignore (3)   2019 Jan 26, 9:49am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
I guess Soros must be really worried about all that Google data collection and all the Social Media bans of widely held center-right views, eh?


lol

Soros worries about state manipulation. That’s like Jeffrey Dahmer being worried about people biting their finger nails.
22   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Jan 26, 10:07am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Soros the fucking commie asshole, don’t care what he thinks.
26   anonymous   ignore (null)   2019 Jan 29, 5:00am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

In addition to the two phone companies I cited in comment #11, a massive Chinese phone company that outsmarted Apple in China and India is now heading to the West.

The Chinese smartphone brand Oppo is the fifth-biggest phone maker in the world and has outsmarted Apple in China and India.

Oppo is largely unknown in the West, but it has teased an official UK launch on Tuesday.

It's part of a family of other massive smartphone brands such as Vivo and OnePlus.

Oppo will find it tough to break in to the UK market, but it does have a reputation for adding cool new features to its smartphones.

Apple may be the defining smartphone company in the West, but there's a crop of Asian brands that have outsmarted the California giant outside the US and Europe.

Few Westerners will have heard of the Chinese smartphone maker Oppo, but it's one of the most recognizable brands in Asia and bigger than Apple in both India and China.

It's the fifth-largest smartphone maker in the world, despite having almost no presence in the US or Europe, accounting for about 8% of all global phone sales. Only Apple, Samsung, Huawei, and Xiaomi are bigger worldwide.

https://www.businessinsider.com/oppo-uk-launch-outsmarted-apple-india-china-2019-1

Is the U.S. going to arrest company executives from every foreign company that is preparing to take away what little edge we have left in the tech sector ?
27   kt1652   ignore (1)   2019 Jan 29, 7:34am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

A very different angle.
"In America we have this expression 'the pot calling the kettle black'. What we have here is George Soros trying to protect us from China, which is great, but who's going to protect us from George Soros?"

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201901281071860776-soros-china-xi-jinping-china/
28   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 29, 1:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Sputnik news? Really?
I'm sure Russian propagandists really care about protecting us from Soros.
Different angle indeed.
29   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 29, 1:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Kakistocracy says
The Chinese smartphone brand Oppo is the fifth-biggest phone maker in the world and has outsmarted Apple in China and India.

"Outsmarted" as in... copied and did the same more cheaply, probably with state subsidies.
30   kt1652   ignore (1)   2019 Jan 29, 1:30pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

The comments were from Eugene Michael Jones is an American writer, former professor, media commentator and the current editor of Culture Wars magazine.
You should try reading media from both sides.
Soon it may no longer be an option. :-(
Be it NYT or Breitbart, Aljeera, CCTV...
It's the content that should be judged.
31   6rdB   ignore (1)   2019 Jan 29, 2:23pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Heraclitusstudent says
Sputnik news? Really?
I'm sure Russian propagandists really care about protecting us from Soros.
Different angle indeed.

Another angle we should always consider is from Völkischer Beobachter. Not much different from Russian-controlled news, I'd say. Constant reporting on great successes of whatever Fuehrer is in power.
32   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 29, 3:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

kt1652 says
You should try reading media from both sides.

I trust the Russians will use whatever American is convenient to their narrative.
And reading this or zerohedge for news is a bit like watching advertising for information on a product.
But anyway. I didn't mean to bring Soros controversy into this.
These are just the thoughts of 1 US billionaire and you can bet many others are thinking along those line.
This means the current US-China symbiosis is broken. The US and China are now openly on a collision course.
This is not a question of Trump anymore. This is not even a question of trade in a pure sense. This is a question of power: economic, military, and cultural.
This will certainly have wide ranging implications, starting with the tech industry. But certainly not stop there.
33   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (2)   2019 Jan 30, 6:16pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

https://www.engadget.com/2019/01/30/second-apple-employee-accused-of-stealing-self-driving-tech/
NBC News has learned that the FBI arrested Jizhong Chen for allegedly trying to swipe self-driving car tech and pass it along to a Chinese competitor. After an employee saw him taking photos in a sensitive work area, the company conducted an investigation that discovered thousands of sensitive documents on his personal computer, including roughly a hundred photos from inside an Apple building. They also found that he'd recently applied to work at that competitor.
Agents arrested Chen a mere day before he was supposed to fly to China, according to a criminal complaint.
34   kt1652   ignore (1)   2019 Jan 30, 6:56pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Interesting story, what's it got to do with Soros?
Here are some
'How are illegal immigrants organized so quickly and young voters corralled overnight to demand open borders? Where did the saturation of transgender and pansexual ideology come from? How is it possible that Black Lives Matter seems to be everywhere? Or that the call for pot legalization is sweeping the nation? Or that there is an international movement for globalization simultaneously occurring in countries around the world?'
Follow the Soros money.
When the cabalist-in-chief warns about China, he is engineering the propoganda campaign for the coming cold war with China. Soros spent $40M funding media organizations, NYT, WaPo, AP, NBC, ABC. Soros does not have the slaves' back, I can assure you that.

http://amp.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/feb/4/george-soros-funds-movements-disrupt-communities/

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/economy/article/1906325/how-beijing-and-hong-kong-sent-billionaire-george-soros-packing

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