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1. Snopes is not a left-wing propganda site, not a fact check.
2. I said several, not one.

Here's a few for starters.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/times-obama-ejected-media-reporters/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=criticalimpact&utm_campaign=TPI_Sunday_Newsletter_11_11_2018&utm_content=dce447f72d78a542a6473c7b9fa19141&source=CI

It began on the Campaign Trail and continued throughout his Presidency.

And berated Major Garrett of CBS for being insufficiently worshipful of his Excellency in "His House" for asking about US Prisoners of Iran.
https://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/obama-major-garrett-shuts-down-press-conference-120156

Obama wasn't used to tough questions.

Obama also prosecuted Journalists at a rate never seen in the past century of US History.

In 2009, for example, the Obama White House intentionally excluded Fox News’ Chris Wallace from participating in a round of interviews pertaining to the president’s push for healthcare reform. Later that same year, the administration officials tried to block Fox reporters from interviewing “pay czar” Kenneth Feinberg. The White House initially lied about this, and many in the press went along with it. It wasn’t until 2011 that the public learned the truth of the Feinberg episode. An internal email dated Oct. 22, 2009, showed the White House director of broadcast media told Treasury officials specifically, “We’d prefer if you skip Fox please.”

The bigger point is that Feinberg was not the only administration official to have his network appearances limited by the White House.

The Obama White House communications director, Anita Dunn, said at the time, “We’re going to treat them the way we would treat an opponent. As they are undertaking a war against Barack Obama and the White House, we don’t need to pretend that this is the way that legitimate news organizations behave.”

That language about "legitimate news organizations" and "opponents" is only different from the things Trump says by degree, not by kind.

In 2010, the Obama administration renewed the bogus Bush-era subpoena against the New York Times' James Risen in a prolonged attempt to determine whether the reporter was the recipient of leaked CIA information. In February 2011, federal investigators were revealed to have spied on Risen. Federal investigators pored over Risen's credit reports and his personal bank records. The feds even tracked his phone logs and movements.

Later, in 2012, Fox was mysteriously excluded from a White House conference call pertaining to the terrorist attacks on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya. Fox was also excluded from an all-network CIA briefing regarding the attacks.

In 2013, the Obama Justice Department labeled then-Fox News reporter James Rosen a “criminal co-conspirator” under the Espionage Act of 1917. And all because the reporter used a State Department contractor as a source for a story. Rosen was also labeled a "flight risk."

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/obama-whose-administration-prosecuted-and-spied-on-reporters-claims-trump-is-very-bad-for-criticizing-newsrooms

SO, Obama treating Fox News as the Enemy and cutting them off from interviews with key officials over contentious legislation? No Problemo.

Trump doing the same with CNN? MUH PRESS FREEDOM.

Obummer was 10 times worse wrt ejecting the press and no transparency. Yet they crow about Accost-ya who acted like a royal dick. lol

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Here's a few for starters.

Hmm.

1. First example given in the article, from when Obama was on the campaign trail, is about choosing unfriendly reporters to lose their seats.

"The campaign says that a limited number of seats forced it to make the tough decision of which journalists would be permitted to follow the Democratic presidential candidate in the last four days of the campaign, but the papers are calling foul, claiming they were targeted for their editorial-page positions and kicked off while nonpolitical publications like Glamour and Jet magazines remained on board."

Not great, but not the same as removing credentials.

2. The second example is about Brenda Lee, who was trying to hand Obama a letter. What did she tell the White House staffer who offered to take him the letter? "I said, 'I'll take my chances if (the president) comes by here,'" said Lee, who identified herself as a Roman Catholic priestess who lives in Anaheim, Calif. "He became annoyed that I wouldn't give him the letter."

When they kicked her out, they didn't know she was a reporter.

3. The third example is some questionable screen shot with no context.

4. The fourth example is about Jennicet Gutierrez, an undocumented transgender individual who was heckling the President. Small detail, however. She wasn't a reporter.

5. The fifth example is regarding Kredo from the Free Beacon. "Central to the dispute appears to be whether or not Kredo was properly credentialed for the event. Kredo claims that he was properly credentialed through the Austrian government, while the State Department said he had to be a member of the State Department Press Corps back in D.C."
https://www.mediaite.com/online/state-dept-threatens-to-call-security-on-washington-free-beacon-reporter/

Maybe there is something here. "The conservative Free Beacon is well-known for being critical of the State Department and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Kredo himself has written about some of their shadier goings-on, and has written pieces critical of the administration’s policy towards Iran."

Using lack of appropriate credentials to get rid of an unfriendly reporter is worth discussion.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

And berated Major Garrett of CBS for being insufficiently worshipful of his Excellency in "His House" for asking about US Prisoners of Iran.

Obama sparred with reporters. He didn't signal for an intern to take away the mic, nor take away press credentials.

Now do Risen and Rosen.

You kinda forgot the big ones that Obama actually went after.

What criminal prosecution or investigation does Trump have going against a reporter employed by mainstream media? Certainly not Accosta.

it's incredibly Hypocritical that the Press that was overwhelmingly silent while Obama went after Reporters using Whistleblowers as sources, is enraged that a reporter who hogs the mic during Press Conferences, including where Trump put in an hour or more of time on a regular basis (unlike Question Shy Obama), and uses it to be disrespectful of the President and his staff while pushing the false dominant narrative.

Imagine if Trump went after reporters who used sources in Government who were supposed to keep information confidential. Probably the entire Press Corps would be facing charges.

Re: Risen. He wasn't the main part of the story. It was Jeffrey Sterling who was under the gun as a CIA agent, who allegedly fed information to Risen for his book. Risen was subpoenaed to get Sterling. Risen wasn't the target; Sterling was.

Rosen. "Rosen has not been charged with a crime in the case. Kim was indicted in August 2010 on charges of violating the Espionage Act of 1917, one of a batch of six cases in which the Obama administration began to use the first world war-era spying law to prosecute suspected government whistleblowers."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/may/20/fox-news-reporter-targeted-us-government

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

it's incredibly Hypocritical that the Press that was overwhelmingly silent while Obama went after Reporters using Whistleblowers as sources

In both cases, the primary target was the whisteblower. The journalist, who never faced charges, was the side show.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Imagine if Trump went after reporters who used sources in Government who were supposed to keep information confidential.

I think Trump would be okay for nuclear leaks to Iran and classified info going to North Korea.

The only reason Risen didn't go to jail is that he had won a Pulitzer and basically told the judge who ordered him to testify he'd go to jail before he'll testify.

THEN Holder backed off, knowing there was no way they could get away with it.

The Obama Administration has the all time record for using the Espionage Act on Whistleblowers and their Media Contacts.

Rosen had a secret search warrant issued on him because Holder claimed he was a "Flight Risk".

But Media criticism was muted and rare.

Trump is snarky back to them, and they have the vapors. Even when a reporter is blatantly disrespectful and preening.

There is nothing in the First Amendment that guarantees CNN or any media organization regular access to the President.

The only reason Risen didn't go to jail is that he was never charged.

Trump can be snarky back, just like Obama was. Just keep the interns and press credentials out of it.

Honestly I think the whole Accosta thing is overblown; Trump was frustrated over the midterms and lashed out. He's not trying to pull a Hitler. The left needs to call it what it is, a bad day at the White House.

The right needs to drop the talking points that somehow Obama was worse, because it's easily debunked except for those who really want to believe.

LastMan says

The right needs to drop the talking points that somehow Obama was worse, because it's easily debunked except for those who really want to believe.

He was worse. Not only did Obama prosecute and/or freeze out reporters and news orgs (unlike Trump who just gave a long interview to 60 minutes).Obama was notorious for his non-transparency, secretiveness, narrative discipline, and keeping even his worshipful media at a distance. He was one of the least media accessible Presidents since the Cold War began. The most transparent administration was probably the most secretive since Nixon.

Even Slate agrees with me that Obama and Holder blinked at the last minute from jailing Risen.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2014/12/james-risen-new-york-times-reporter-will-not-go-to-jail-for-refusing-to-reveal-source.html

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Even Slate agrees with me that Obama and Holder blinked at the last minute from jailing Risen.

The only reason Risen would have gone to jail would be for contempt of court for not testifying against someone accused of leaking information. He wasn't the target.

After I've debunked most of the right talking points, you still cling to them. You might want to consider your devotion to them.

LastMan says

The only reason Risen would have gone to jail would be for contempt of court for not testifying against someone accused of leaking information. He wasn't the target.

After I've debunked most of the right talking points, you still cling to them. You might want to consider your devotion to them.

That's not what happened. Holder took Risen to court and the Judge ruled he had to testify or be held in contempt and face jail time.

Risen appealed to 4th Federal Court of Appeals, and then SCOTUS, which refused to hear the case.

That's when Risen finally got some defenders because of his Pulitzer Prize standing.

He announced he'd take the jail time..

And THEN Holder backed down.

It doesn't matter if he was the ultimate target or not.

LastMan says

After I've debunked most of the right talking points, you still cling to them. You might want to consider your devotion to them.

Again, it's a fact, not opinion, that Obama prosecuted more reporters and whistleblowers than any other administration at least since the Cold War began; I think in the History of the Espionage Act, which was almost a Century old when Obama took office.

"If Donald Trump targets reporters, thank Obama"
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/30/opinion/sunday/if-donald-trump-targets-journalists-thank-obama.html
Chelsea Manning Commutation Doesn’t Erase Obama’s Awful Whistleblower Legacy
http://time.com/4638617/chelsea-manning-commutation-obama-whistleblower-legacy/


This from the man who claimed he'd run the most transparent administration in history, and that all the people who claim to love the Free Press had worshipped and yet largely ignored this militant opacity and secrecy.

But OrangeManBad for pulling the WH Access of a disrespectful reporter who has hogged the mic and used it to pontificate and argue, rather than to ask questions. There is nothing in the Constitution mandating that 6/7 Figure Employees of a 3-letter Media Organization get guaranteed, irrevocable access to the WH Press Room. Nor is banning a single disruptive asshole a "War on Journalism"

Even Polifact can't Gild Obama's Record



And I was wrong - it was more than ALL previous Administrations combined. Not just any one Administration.

I didn't come to discuss espionage. Perhaps you should start a new thread for this change of direction.

No change of direction. YOU attempted to shift focus from Risen and Rosen to their sources.

Obama went after two reporters and their whistleblowers using "Espionage" Laws.

.Dying media trying to stay relevant

Fortwaynemobile says

.Dying media trying to stay relevant

It's dying because it is hyper-partisan and has become a propaganda tool, as opposed to delivering non-biased, critical analysis.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

No change of direction. YOU attempted to shift focus from Risen and Rosen to their sources.

I was just following the facts. Try reading up on Risen and Rosen. They were indicted, not the journalists.

LastMan says

The only reason Risen didn't go to jail is that he was never charged.

Because he said he'd go to jail and finally a few of the Old Media Bigwigs stood up for him, but the most of the Media largely ignored it. Holder was balked and retreated..

LastMan says

I was just following the facts. Try reading up on Risen and Rosen. They were indicted, not the journalists.

Rosen was named as a "Co-conspirator".

Risen was going to be jailed, but the Old Guard Journalists made a stink about him and then Holder backed off after going after him like a tiger through several court hearings.