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TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

I want to hear why MC/VISA should be allowed to decide which legal US political organizations should or shouldn't be allowed to receive donations.

Because the US is a free market?

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

If we need a regulation to protect consumer freedom, so be it. That's the best kind of regulation, and what regulations should be about, to protect freedom and consumer rights to utilize a tool they pay for.

We had it, but Trump and his cronies have gutted it and torn it to pieces.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

We're talking about normal processes, not finding ways "around" something.

Writing checks is a normal process and has been for 600 years. There are 28 million checks processed every day in the US. That's pretty normal in my world. Being too lazy to write a check and mail it isn't suppression of free speech.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

I want to hear why MC/VISA should be allowed to decide which legal US political organizations should or shouldn't be allowed to receive donations.

Because they own the processing system and can decide who gets to use it It's not different from owning a bakery and deciding who to serve. The principal is exactly the same.. The post trump supreme court has spoken.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Why that's an American thing to do, and why that isn't chilling for free speech, which is a national civic value.

Private business being able to operate without government control beyond safety and fraud issues is an American thing. People are free to speak through their checkbook as easily as their visa card.

"OMG! If we don't have NET NEUTRALITY! The ISPs! Will charge us more money to access our FAVORITE WEBSITES! They may even promote certain providers over others! For example Bank of America might pay to be free and fast but Citigroup would run slower! "

"So? There are alternatives. Most Populated areas have multiple ISPs and where 90% of the population lives, there's a choice of 3G/4G Networks. You can always link your phone to your desktop with a hotspot."

"Not the same we need NET NEUTRALITY. So they don't slow down certain web content"

_________

"Google, Facebook, Youtube are censoring Conservatives and applying opaque conditions to content providers. They are promoting Snopes and Vox and CNN! And downplaying Washington Times, Breitbart, etc.!"

"HAHA! Private Companies, Suck it up Buttercup! Use the sites that have 1-2% of the user base like Minds.com or DuckDuckGo."

"Not the same! We need regulation so they don't completely ban certain web content!"

"Suck it up Buttercup!"

LeonDurham says

We had it, but Trump and his cronies have gutted it and torn it to pieces.

Net Neutrality was sponsored by Big Tech to insure fast and free access to their big websites. It did nothing to regulate Big Tech censoring or "restricting" content providers.

Not net neutrality. Consumer Protection.

bob2356 says

Writing checks is a normal process and has been for 600 years. There are 28 million checks processed every day in the US. That's pretty normal in my world. Being too lazy to write a check and mail it isn't suppression of free speech.

Okay, Grandpa. My wife makes fun of ME for getting cash at all at the ATM. She pays even for $3 shit with a card, and she's a year older than I am. The kids these days are like her. I think it's weird to pay for anything less than $20 bill with a card.

bob2356 says

Because they own the processing system and can decide who gets to use it It's not different from owning a bakery and deciding who to serve. The principal is exactly the same.. The post trump supreme court has spoken.

Hardly. A bakery has an identifiable owner and is limited by location. MC/Visa is not just statewide or nationwide but international.

bob2356 says

Private business being able to operate without government control beyond safety and fraud issues is an American thing. People are free to speak through their checkbook as easily as their visa card.

And banks have no business banning customers from paying certain payees for non-business reasons (ie connected to fraud or too many chargebacks)

I'll compromise. If 3/4 of the investors - a supermajority - vote to ban a payee via an annual meeting, and decide to put politics above profit, it's okay.

We have to protect investors from the politicized SJWs at the PR department.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

"OMG! If we don't have NET NEUTRALITY! The ISPs! Will charge us more money to access our FAVORITE WEBSITES! They may even promote certain providers over others! For example Bank of America might pay to be free and fast but Citigroup would run slower! "

"So? There are alternatives. Most Populated areas have multiple ISPs and where 90% of the population lives, there's a choice of 3G/4G Networks. You can always link your phone to your desktop with a hotspot."

"Not the same we need NET NEUTRALITY. So they don't slow down certain web content"

_________

"Google, Facebook, Youtube are censoring Conservatives and applying opaque conditions to content providers. They are promoting Snopes and Vox and CNN! And downplaying Washington Times, Breitbart, etc.!"

"HAHA! Private Companies, Suck it up Buttercup! Use the sites that have 1-2% of the user base like Minds.com or DuckDuckGo."

"Not the same! We need regulation so they don't compl...

Guess what--net neutrality is dead. So, again, the only hypocrites are Trump cultists.

LeonDurham says

Guess what--net neutrality is dead. So, again, the only hypocrites are Trump cultists.

Nope! The Net Neutrality people didn't want to hear about Reddit, Youtube, and Facebook bans and throttling WHEN Net Neutrality was being debated.

They want to ban /The Donald from Reddit and Infowars from Youtube. They just don't want ISPs to slow down Reddit or Youtube for them

Neoliberals, 1995: We're going to spread American Values with Free Trade! Free Speech, Freedom of Religion, Democracy! Via American Companies Worldwide!

Just watch and see what happens in China! Oh say can you see...

Neoliberals, 2003: Sergey Brin said it! Don't be Evil! If we can't have our Freedom-loving search engine in China, we're out of China!

Neoliberals, 2018: We're not going to spread American Values with Free Trade! Or at home, either! Private American Companies don't need to support Free Speech, Freedom of Religion, Democracy! Who cares if Google is building a bespoke Censored Internet for China! Censor the President's Supporters for criticizing Free Trade and other policies we don't like! Not just in China, but at home, too!

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Nope! The Net Neutrality people didn't want to hear about Reddit, Youtube, and Facebook bans and throttling WHEN Net Neutrality was being debated.

They want to ban /The Donald from Reddit and Infowars from Youtube. They just don't want ISPs to slow down Reddit or Youtube for them

What are you talking about? The net neutrality people, by definition, cared about net neutrality--which as you say wasn't about restricting results from search engines. Yes, they were concerned about small businesses getting screwed by ISPs in favor of the big guys who could pay for faster speeds.

But you obviously don't care about small businesses...

LeonDurham says

What are you talking about? The net neutrality people cared about net neutrality--which as you say wasn't about restricting results from search engines. Yes, they were concerned about small businesses getting screwed by ISPs in favor of the big guys who could pay for faster speeds.

But they also used the "no censorship" argument.

They meant it to help Big Tech, but not for the Content Providers.

Net Neutrality was an Astroturf Movement for Big Tech to stop ISPs from charging for huge bandwidth use on a handful of powerful websites.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

But they also used the "no censorship" argument.

They meant it to help Big Tech, but not for the Content Providers.

Net Neutrality was an Astroturf Movement for Big Tech to stop ISPs from charging for huge bandwidth use on a handful of powerful websites.

No, they cared about small business websites getting screwed by the big guys.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Okay, Grandpa. My wife makes fun of ME for getting cash at all at the ATM. She pays even for $3 shit with a card, and she's a year older than I am. The kids these days are like her. I think it's weird to pay for anything less than $20 bill with a card.

Is this actually supposed to mean something? It's an anecdote not an argument.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Hardly. A bakery has an identifiable owner and is limited by location. MC/Visa is not just statewide or nationwide but international.

Is this actually supposed to mean something? There is no difference in the principal.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

And banks have no business banning customers from paying certain payees for non-business reasons (ie connected to fraud or too many chargebacks)

Is this actually supposed to mean something? Where is this written? The stone tablets with the 10 commandments? The magna carta? The constitution? The toilet stall wall? Especially since we are talking about mc/visa not banks. Try to keep the story straight.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

I think it's weird to pay for anything less than $20 bill with a card.

Why? There are other cards out there, but you're going to pay for it anyway, why not get rewarded? Pay the damn thing off each month though. https://www.southwest.com/rapidrewards/tiers-more-companion-pass

You don't want to see my wallet. It doesn't take much time, but I do have a spreadsheet to track the shit so I don't get charged interest. I'm north of $6k annually in rewards now from using CC's. Tax free my friend. At our families income, that's pretty close to $10k gross if you factor in not paying the taxes federally and state level. We're talking 10 hours a year and zero risk if I get robbed in person. I'll take $1k/hr all day for spending money I would anyway.