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Jordan Peterson pointing out "irremediable and biological" ethnic IQ differences, and why SJW's are wrong
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2018 Aug 8, 11:06pm 8,656 views 51 comments
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CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 9, 3:03pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 9, 3:03pm
marcus says
I dont know if science can say how much is nurture vs nature. I'd suggest that better nurture over 3 to 5 generations should improve both the nurture and the nature aspect of the equation.
The reverse is also true. I went to Washington and Lee University in the blue ridge mountains of virginia.
After 150 years of mountain living, some hillbilly local communities all have the same problems as the inner city poor, just with more space between them. These are Scottish/irish decent hillbillies. Meanwhile their cousins who moved away are thriving. The local test scores are garbage, many struggling w proper English. If one of them moves to the bug city, they are normal within 1 generation of decent schools.
CBOEtrader saysI would guess it could happen within 3 to 5 generations.
By the way, this contradicts your title for this thread. It's cultural and economic, and not biologically racial, or ethnic, at least not to an extent that's significant.
I dont know if science can say how much is nurture vs nature. I'd suggest that better nurture over 3 to 5 generations should improve both the nurture and the nature aspect of the equation.
The reverse is also true. I went to Washington and Lee University in the blue ridge mountains of virginia.
After 150 years of mountain living, some hillbilly local communities all have the same problems as the inner city poor, just with more space between them. These are Scottish/irish decent hillbillies. Meanwhile their cousins who moved away are thriving. The local test scores are garbage, many struggling w proper English. If one of them moves to the bug city, they are normal within 1 generation of decent schools.
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NuttBoxer
2018 Aug 10, 11:05am
NuttBoxer
2018 Aug 10, 11:05am
mell says
True, I was definitely thinking only in the scope of Americans. As far as programs helping out, that's only true if the program is local(neighborhood). Government programs lack the compassion, accountability, and oversight to be helpful. There are a few who will use them to make their lives better, but they are designed to create dependence, not to improve anyone's status.
mell says
That I think is a point worth considering, but from the perspective of cultural values, not race. You may think I'm being picky, but race and genetics cannot be changed, where cultural values can grow and shift over time. The latter allows that anyone from any race can be intelligent, while the former pigeon holes someone, unfairly, because of something they cannot change. From a cultural perspective, I think it is also important to consider size and how homogeneous the group is. Large groups that allow for more diversity, tend to lose their cultural traits as they mix with people of different backgrounds. Again, is any of this taken into consideration with these studies?
If you focus on the US only you could postulate that the difference in social and economic status and thus better access to education for one group is a main driver and thus the test is not "fair". However we have tons of programs directed at helping the poorer and even laws that discriminate against those that score better (affirmative action), yet not much progress is being made and often a toxic culture (high single-motherhood, absence of fathers, crime etc.) remains.
True, I was definitely thinking only in the scope of Americans. As far as programs helping out, that's only true if the program is local(neighborhood). Government programs lack the compassion, accountability, and oversight to be helpful. There are a few who will use them to make their lives better, but they are designed to create dependence, not to improve anyone's status.
mell says
I have no problems accepting that Ashkenazi Jews and many Asians score higher on average than my genetic lineage does
That I think is a point worth considering, but from the perspective of cultural values, not race. You may think I'm being picky, but race and genetics cannot be changed, where cultural values can grow and shift over time. The latter allows that anyone from any race can be intelligent, while the former pigeon holes someone, unfairly, because of something they cannot change. From a cultural perspective, I think it is also important to consider size and how homogeneous the group is. Large groups that allow for more diversity, tend to lose their cultural traits as they mix with people of different backgrounds. Again, is any of this taken into consideration with these studies?
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This topic goes to the core of PC culture, and the resulting SJW tyranny. The unfortunate truth is that groups of people do indeed have different heritable talents. IQ is simply an easily measurable talent.
Before any idiot calls me racist for pointing out facts lets be clear about a few things: 1) IQ DOES NOT EQUAL MORAL VALUE. 2) Monetary success DOES NOT EQUAL MORE/LESS human value.
IQ does, however, predict stratification of society, and IQ is very correlated to racial groups. "I dont have a solution to that, but at least I can point out the problem." -JP Pointing out the problem is the first step towards helping people.
Here's another great conversation between Dave Ruben and SM. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0KKc6GbeNo
"Black make way less money than Jews, but when you normalize for IQ they dont."
Blaming stratification of society on the patriarchy is deeply flawed. As JP points out, its like building a model of society the way a child draws a house. Is a pentagram with rectangle "door", and two square windows a house? Or is it a very low level model of a house?