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socal2 says

do you really think America was morally or strategically wrong to try and combat Communism's spread in South/Central America?

Same question, different location... Vietnam?

socal2 says

Your own link admits that the CIA was RESPONDING to various Marxist and Communist guerrilla groups and organizations. What more evidence do you need?

Just like we did in SE Asia, and look how well those economies are doing!

You're still not really looking at root cause. What was the status of the economy before CIA intervention? After? You can't destabilize a country and call it a move forward. But maybe I'm wrong, and Iraq and Syria are bastions of economic revival since we "liberated" them.

NuttBoxer says

Just like we did in SE Asia, and look how well those economies are doing!

Yes, SK does well only because NK was beaten back. Without US intervention it would be same shit but across the whole Korean Peninsula.

The attempts to re-write history are entertaining. There are still people around who were fucking alive when these things were happening IRL.

Hassan_Rouhani says

Yes, SK does well only because NK was beaten back. Without US intervention it would be same shit but across the whole Korean Peninsula.

And if the US bailed on South Korea in less than 7 years like we bailed in Iraq - the entire Korean peninsula would be a famine shit-show like North Korea. Because all Totalitarian Communist regimes end in misery.

Ditto if we abandoned Taiwan, Philippines, Japan.......

socal2 says

Hassan_Rouhani says

Yes, SK does well only because NK was beaten back. Without US intervention it would be same shit but across the whole Korean Peninsula.

And if the US bailed on South Korea in less than 7 years like we bailed in Iraq - the entire Korean peninsula would be a famine shit-show like North Korea. Because all Totalitarian Communist regimes end in misery.

Ditto if we abandoned Taiwan, Philippines, Japan.......

The attempts to re-write history from the left is amusing. I mean, they could at least wait util people who were alive during these events are all gone and the rest doesn't read anything but Twitter feeds of some "thinkers" a.k.a. comedians.... :rollseye:

NuttBoxer says

You can't destabilize a country and call it a move forward.

Again, this didn't happen in a void. It's not hard for commies to convince uneducated peasants to violently tear down their "bourgeois" neighbors and vilify Capitalists to demand their stuff. History has more than proven that Communism was one of the worst economic/ruling systems in terms of massive human rights abuses, famines, corruption and brutality. It turns brother against brother and brings misery along the way. We knew it back then and we sure as hell know about it now after seeing so many Communist regimes implode.

One of the few South American countries that didn't fall to the Leftists was Chile and it is now one of the most free and prosperous countries in South America.

I think the story of South America is that the US didn't meddle enough and was unable to save a big chunk of the continent from falling for the same dope that many Africans and Asians did in the 1960's and 1970's.

Hassan_Rouhani says

The attempts to re-write history from the left is amusing. I mean, they could at least wait util people who were alive during these events are all gone and the rest doesn't read anything but Twitter feeds of some "thinkers" a.k.a. comedians.... :rollseye:

I don't even think he is a Leftist. Dude is from San Diego so can't be all bad. Just think he is buying too much into the Latino/Leftist narrative that blames the shit-show of Mexico and Central/South America all on the eveeel Capitalist Yankees!

Trump is not deporting millions of illegals, but he's deliberately provoking leftist do-gooders and rubbing their faces in it knowing his base is way beyond caring.

How about being more efficient and actually care about basic humanity?

Heraclitusstudent says

rump is not deporting millions of illegals, but he's deliberately provoking leftist do-gooders and rubbing their faces in it knowing his base is way beyond caring.

"Deliberately provoking"?

You mean enforcing our border laws while the rest of Congress ignores them?

Heraclitusstudent says

How about being more efficient and actually care about basic humanity?

Those are just pointless slogans, "basic humanity" means absolutely nothing.

What policies are you talking about?

Goran_K says

Those are just pointless slogans, "basic humanity" means absolutely nothing.

Like separating children for their mothers. Does it really help anyone? Seriously?
How many more illegals were deported because of this?

Outrage bait: Trump specialty.

Heraclitusstudent says

Goran_K says

Those are just pointless slogans, "basic humanity" means absolutely nothing.

Like separating children for their mothers. Does it really help anyone? Seriously?
How many more illegals were deported because of this?

Outrage bait: Trump specialty.

Many times the "mothers" do not carry IDs, purposefully. One of the oldest tricks when seeking asylum is to "lose" all your identification which makes it harder to send you back. So she could be a child trafficker posing as a parent or she could have abducted the child against the will of the father (and vice versa for fathers). So there are legit reasons to separate them. Furthermore Trump already signed the order not to separate them wherever and whenever possible. I don't think he wanted to provoke in the first place, in fact it was standard policy for many years now.