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The lessons of history: take it, rape it, keep it, sell it, it's yours.


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2018 Jan 14, 7:27am   5,847 views  32 comments

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A number of Pomo, primarily members living in the Big Valley area, had been enslaved, interned, and severely abused by settlers Andrew Kelsey (namesake of Kelseyville, California) and Charles Stone.
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On May 15, 1850, a 1st Dragoons Regiment of the United States Cavalry contingent under Nathaniel Lyon, then still a lieutenant, and Lieutenant J. W. Davison[3] tried to locate Augustine's band to punish them. When they instead came upon a group of Pomo on Badon-napoti (later called Bloody Island), they killed[3] old men, women and children. The National Park Service has estimated the army killed 60 of 400 Pomo; other accounts say 200 were killed. Most of the younger men were off in the mountains to the north, hunting. Some of the dead were relatives of Habematolel Pomo of Upper Lake[2] and Robinson Rancheria of Pomo Indians of California. The army killed 75 more Indians along the Russian River.[5]

One of the Pomo survivors of the massacre was a 6-year-old girl named Ni'ka, or Lucy Moore. She hid underwater and breathed through a tule reed. Her descendants formed the Lucy Moore Foundation to work for better relations between the Pomo and other residents of California.[5]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Island_massacre
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1   CBOEtrader   2018 Jan 14, 8:40am  

Terrible story, beautiful house.

Yes though, historically speaking all land, valuables, and wealth has been stolen and passed around enough times that if the current "owner" doesn't have any evidence of crime committed personally, that wealth is his. There is no functional way to make history fair today.
2   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 Jan 14, 10:09am  

CBOEtrader says
There is no functional way to make history fair today.


Spoken from the perspective of a member of a society that has benefited from this murder and theft. Of course it can be addressed, but that would not be in the interests of the majority of members of the society that has benefited. So shouldn't all peoples on this planet then acknowledge the rules and kill and take land and hold it? Over time, new legends will be drilled into the new born members of the society justifying these actions. See Westerns.
3   Strategist   2018 Jan 14, 10:22am  

CBOEtrader says
Terrible story, beautiful house.

Yes though, historically speaking all land, valuables, and wealth has been stolen and passed around enough times that if the current "owner" doesn't have any evidence of crime committed personally, that wealth is his. There is no functional way to make history fair today.


It's been happening since man first walked on earth. Even those who had their land stolen, probably stole it from someone else, and so on.
What's important is the present and the future. Lets try and make it as fair as possible for everyone.
4   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 Jan 14, 10:24am  

Strategist says
Lets try and make it as fair as possible for everyone


Why shouldn't it continue? it seems to have worked.
5   just_passing_through   2018 Jan 14, 10:25am  

Clear Lake is overrun by meth-heads. Not sure anymore but at one time it was the self proclaimed meth capital of the world. Ironically, the lake is anything but clear.
6   Strategist   2018 Jan 14, 10:29am  

willywonka says
Strategist says
Lets try and make it as fair as possible for everyone


Why shouldn't it continue? it seems to have worked.


It didn't work, which is why so many people are upset even today. The future will be fairer, because we can track who owns what etc etc.
7   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 Jan 14, 10:34am  

Strategist says
It didn't work, which is why so many people are upset even today.


I very much doubt that the seller of the nice house is upset. I very much doubt that even property owning snowflakes would give up their property to make things right. In fact, I don't think most people think about it, let alone want to address past actions. What folks do want, is to keep what they have, and so therefore are against this means of acquiring wealth as they have it or hope to.
8   Strategist   2018 Jan 14, 10:41am  

willywonka says
Strategist says
It didn't work, which is why so many people are upset even today.


I very much doubt that the seller of the nice house is upset. I very much doubt that even property owning snowflakes would give up their property to make things right. In fact, I don't think most people think about it, let alone want to address past actions. What folks do want, is to keep what they have, and so therefore are against this means of acquiring wealth as they have it or hope to.


You are referring to the present. I was referring to the past. The past is not worth crying over. Move on.
9   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 Jan 14, 10:48am  

Strategist says
The past is not worth crying over. Move on.


Sage advice for police investigating a theft. Fuggedaboutit.
10   Strategist   2018 Jan 14, 10:52am  

willywonka says
Strategist says
The past is not worth crying over. Move on.


Sage advice for police investigating a theft. Fuggedaboutit.


A theft that happened last week cannot be considered as the past. What's your point?
11   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 Jan 14, 11:03am  

Strategist says
What's your point?


You seem to be implying a statute of limitations. You might want to recommend your advice to the Nazi hunters.

My point: In this case, the takers take, and create a nonsensical history to cover over the murder and theft. Let's acknowledge it and stop the hypocrisy.
12   Shaman   2018 Jan 14, 11:33am  

willywonka says
Why shouldn't it continue? it seems to have worked.


Spoken like a libtard who believes he now has the power to take things by force.
Despite not knowing any martial skills or how to correctly shoot a gun.
Those of us with those skills ALLOW people like you to live in our country. You can thank us now.
13   RWSGFY   2018 Jan 14, 11:38am  

Yep, the lesson is clear: control who's coming into your country or it may become not your country very fast.
14   Strategist   2018 Jan 14, 11:47am  

willywonka says
Strategist says
What's your point?


You seem to be implying a statute of limitations. You might want to recommend your advice to the Nazi hunters.

The Nazi hunters go after criminals who are still alive, not dead.

willywonka says

My point: In this case, the takers take, and create a nonsensical history to cover over the murder and theft. Let's acknowledge it and stop the hypocrisy.

I'm sure it's been acknowledged multiple times. Get over it. It's not as important as dealing with murder and theft that occurs today.
15   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Jan 14, 12:36pm  

Satoshi_Nakamoto says
Yep, the lesson is clear: control who's coming into your country or it may become not your country very fast.


Yep.

And thank God for #1A and I'll never allow hate speech to become a law. Or we'll end up like Britain where people are visited by Police and fined for discussing Paki Rape Gangs on Facebook, while the Police say they don't have enough resources to monitor known terrorist symps and ex-ISIS fighters.
16   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 Jan 14, 1:01pm  

Quigley says
Spoken like a libtard who believes he now has the power to take things by force.
Despite not knowing any martial skills or how to correctly shoot a gun.
Those of us with those skills ALLOW people like you to live in our country. You can thank us now.


You have a mental condition.
17   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 Jan 14, 1:06pm  

Strategist says
I'm sure it's been acknowledged multiple times.
I assume you acknowledge it as well. And of course, now that the goods have been somewhat distributed, let's make sure this can't happen to us. The folks who were murdered for their land likely felt the same. But by the rules of this country, if China invades the USA, murders citizens, takes and keeps land, and creates a new myth to cover it over, then that is the way. So let's acknowledge that is the way and that is what we stand for.
18   Strategist   2018 Jan 14, 1:28pm  

willywonka says
I assume you acknowledge it as well. And of course, now that the goods have been somewhat distributed, let's make sure this can't happen to us. The folks who were murdered for their land likely felt the same.

We can't help people who are already dead. If you think you can, go ahead and help them. I'm more interested in helping people who are still breathing.

willywonka says
But by the rules of this country, if China invades the USA, murders citizens, takes and keeps land, and creates a new myth to cover it over, then that is the way. So let's acknowledge that is the way and that is what we stand for.

You really think that? LOL.
19   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 Jan 14, 1:40pm  

Strategist says
We can't help people who are already dead.


If relevant, murder would not be prosecuted.
20   FortWayne   2018 Jan 14, 2:20pm  

We stand for what we always stood for, winner take all. Because winners get to write their version of triumph in history books.

willywonka says
Strategist says
I'm sure it's been acknowledged multiple times.
I assume you acknowledge it as well. And of course, now that the goods have been somewhat distributed, let's make sure this can't happen to us. The folks who were murdered for their land likely felt the same. But by the rules of this country, if China invades the USA, murders citizens, takes and keeps land, and creates a new myth to cover it over, then that is the way. So let's acknowledge that is the way and that is what we stand for.
21   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 Jan 14, 2:26pm  

FortWayne says
We stand for what we always stood for, winner take all. Because winners get to write their version of triumph in history books.
Damn right! That's the point. And let's not abandon what has worked in the past.
22   RWSGFY   2018 Jan 14, 2:52pm  

willywonka says
But by the rules of this country, if China invades the USA, murders citizens, takes and keeps land, and creates a new myth to cover it over, then that is the way.


If something like that happened the rules of this country would be pretty irrelevant, wouldn't they?
23   HeadSet   2018 Jan 14, 3:56pm  

But by the rules of this country, if China invades the USA, murders citizens, takes and keeps land, and creates a new myth to cover it over, then that is the way.

That is not the "rules of this country," but the rule of people everywhere, whether you and I like it or not. Otherwise, we could disband all militaries. The hope is that as humans progress, we are less likely to overrun our neighbors. For example, I cannot imagine a situation where, although the USA could easily do so, it would annex Canada. However, we still have issues like the Russia - NATO dispute over Ukraine and.Crimea, China disputes with its neighbors over waters in the South China Sea, and Islamic State disputes over territory with Syria and Iraq.

We all know the history that most nations exist on territory taken by force from previous inhabitants. Not the fault of anyone today. But if anyone today feels bad about what some people in the past did (who may or may not be one's ancestors), that upset person should feel free to buy land and deed it to any Indian they want to compensate. Otherwise, that person has no moral high ground over anyone else that acknowledges history, just because the former chooses to be upset about what cannot be undone.
24   Shaman   2018 Jan 14, 4:42pm  

The final say in any conflict is who can wreak the most savage violence. That’s why we spend so goddam much on our military. We ain’t never wanna lose another fight.

People with power do bad shit. This is why our Founders went to such trouble to neuter the government and make it as ineffective as possible with lots of checks and balances. All thos are playing out in living color over the past year. POTUS signs an order. Some judge bans it. SCOTUS slaps down said judge but it takes a while. Rinse. Repeat.
25   Strategist   2018 Jan 14, 4:46pm  

Past: To the victor, the spoils.
Today: To the victor, the reconstruction bill.
26   HeadSet   2018 Jan 14, 6:25pm  

Today: To the victor, the reconstruction bill.

Well put!!

The oil rich Arab nations are lucky that the present American world order is not like that of the old Roman or British empires. .Today we made a lot of Bedouins rich merely because they breed over a resource they lack the technology to extract or use. In the old days, having such a prize guaranteed being colonized or ran off.

Even today we pay Germany and Japan to allow us to have bases on their soil. A real empire would be collecting tribute from a conquered foe.
27   CBOEtrader   2018 Jan 14, 6:58pm  

willywonka says

Spoken from the perspective of a member of a society that has benefited from this murder and theft. Of course it can be addressed,


Nope, I'm a card carrying American Indian. Lakota Sioux, Oglala tribe. I only look like this cause the white man raped my ancestors.

So you can start by giving me your house, considering my direct ancestors had everything stolen from them. DM me to start paperwork!!

Thanks.
28   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 Jan 15, 5:06am  

Quigley says
The final say in any conflict is who can wreak the most savage violence. That’s why we spend so goddam much on our military. We ain’t never wanna lose another fight.


Yup.
29   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2018 Jan 15, 5:08am  

HeadSet says
But if anyone today feels bad about what some people in the past did (who may or may not be one's ancestors), that upset person should feel free to buy land and deed it to any Indian they want to compensate.


That is the antithesis of affirmative action.
30   Y   2018 Jan 15, 6:18am  

Both actions attempt to compensate for the sins of your ancestors.
Not antithesis...
willywonka says
That is the antithesis of affirmative action.
31   Y   2018 Jan 15, 6:19am  

Nope.
See Vietnam...

willywonka says
Quigley says
The final say in any conflict is who can wreak the most savage violence. That’s why we spend so goddam much on our military. We ain’t never wanna lose another fight.


Yup.
32   Y   2018 Jan 15, 6:20am  

How can you possibly know it was not consensual?

CBOEtrader says
I only look like this cause the white man raped my ancestors.

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