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Patrick says:

I can confirm that there is regularly human shit on the streets of San Francisco.

I go on business trips to SF every few years (been a couple of years since my last visit, though). On my last trip I had 4 free days and did a lot of walking around town. I was staying in the Financial District and walked through North Beach, Chinatown, Russian Hill, Fisherman's Wharf, etc. I did not see the human feces you mentioned, but I did notice lots of vagrants with mattresses sleeping on the sidewalks right outside storefronts and businesses. No vagrants sleeping in the green parks, though. I presume the attitude of SF is that vagrant rights apply to all public spaces except parks, and supersede any desire to keep bums from loitering and camping.

I went to Denver last summer and noticed quite few homeless camps and mass bum hangouts that I did not see in my earlier trips to Denver. Not sure if the legal weed has drawn in the bum crowd. SF and Denver are beautiful cities that I think would be greatly enhanced by some good vagrancy laws.

It is not "racism" to call a shithole a shithole.

It is racism to overlook a shithole merely because the people in the shithole happened to be of a certain ethnicity.

By being willing to excuse incidences of poor performance, whether inner city, college, or nations, because the people in question are not "white," you are implying that these folks are childlike beings that do not know better and need extra slack from "whites." Non-racists understand that race is just one attribute of an individual, and does not in itself determine talent, intelligence, or morality.

NFL $25 million per year player Colin Kaepernick has more "white privilege" than anyone in Appalachia, or in fact more "white privilege" than most whites in America.

San Francisco isn't a shithole. It is merely a Mediterranean oceanside paradise with third world accents.

bob2356 says

Like the Irish did?

Well, to be honest, when the masses of starving Irish were allowed in, they did frequently create nasty ghettos, like Hell's Kitchen in NYC:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell's_Kitchen%2C_Manhattan

And they did bring quite a bit of corruption to big city politics, using their political patterns of behavior from the old world.

So there was a big cost to letting them in, but the country was so empty and demand for labor was so great at that point that it turned out to be a good deal for America overall. The country is no longer so empty, and the demand for labor is nothing like it was back then.

HeadSet says

SF and Denver are beautiful cities that I think would be greatly enhanced by some good vagrancy laws.

Tricky issue. The government doesn't have nearly the institutions it once did for adults with intellectual and or emotional deficits (other than prisons). So what do you do ?

"Last states and cities with strict vagrancy laws is a rotten egg."

It's true apparently that in the U.S., our government is somewhat of a reflection of our people.

North Korea is probably one of the best examples of a country where it's a shithole because of the government, and not because of the people. There are many countries in Africa and elsewhere, even today, where this is the case.

Our nations romantic story, which I believe to be true, is that many of our original immigrants came from countries where peasants were treated like shit and lived in shithole conditions, because of their oppressive government and not because of who they were as human beings.

The irony here is that Trump's policies will increase inequality here and lead to greater number of places with shithole conditions.

anonymous says

Not a nice way to talk about your fellow countrymen. Shouldn't we pressing our local, state and federal governments to improve the situation instead of handing out tax breaks to corporations?

I would be sympathetic towards fees - not taxes - that cannot be funneled away under long jail-time punishment - for which the usage would go directly to take the violent assholes off the streets (incarcerate them) and provide reasonable shelter and food for those willing to clean up the city and keep it clean in exchange. The problem is that all the money even in cities like SF flush with tourist and tech cash goes into corrupt government hands and big pensions. The tax breaks are not the main issue here, even after those there is ample money on the cities hands, but it gets misused and city employees make big bucks and guaranteed 8% APR pensions while doing jack shit to improve the city. SF, Oakland, Berkeley are in a hard leftoid grip of corruption. Most mayors and assemblymen do jack shit while living off of taxpayer money, and the streets of SF are a disgrace for an otherwise naturally extremely beautiful city/climate.

anon_08dee says

The irony here is that Trump's policies will increase inequality here and lead to greater number of places with shithole conditions.

How is that exactly?

anon_a4cd7 says

They also brought up the Black Plague in the 14th century Europe claiming whites must have lived in a much bigger shithole to allow a few oriental rats to wipe out 2/3 of the population. During this time no whites were allowed into Asia through the Silkroad.

Well, Europe was 90% rural back then so kinda doubt it was the sewer system and more like a near-total lack of resistance to Yersina Pestis. Much like the Native Americans had no resistance to Smallpox, Chicken Pox, etc. Imagine the black death over and over again in multiple forms, every few years, and that's how the Indians were wiped out. Far more from disease than the relative handful of Europeans with weapons confined largely to a handful of villages on the US East Coast.

Of course, the end result of the Plague was to re-popularize Ancient Roman inventions of Water and Wind Mills, to be employed on a massive scale. The tight supply of labor also created boom times for ordinary Europeans and eventually led to the increased independence of Burghers and eventually, Common People. Whereas the Bone-Noses still employed Caste Systems. The Aztecs were big into the Caste System, a very brutal civilization.

By the way, it was the Mongols fault because by uniting all of Asia, Poor Chinese landless peasants travelled into Central Asia to become farriers. Unlike the natives, they happily trapped marmosets "acting funny", the pelts of which ended up on Silk Road Caravans. Because the Chinese, Turks, Mongols, and others had been the victim of many bouts of Y. Pestis, they didn't die out like Europeans did, who had only been exposed once or twice before (under Justinian many centuries prior, but only really in the Eastern Med).

Detroit, 2028 after the last non-Black has left:



We Wuz Kangz, honky!

Liberals today on the news were flipping out over the "shithole" comments, calling it "racist". How is that racist? Everyone thinks those countries are shitholes, even people who live in them. It's why they can't wait to leave to anywhere else.

Not saying Trump is most "polite" guy, but he is right that we need more people from countries with similar cultures to America instead.

mell says

anonymous says

Not a nice way to talk about your fellow countrymen. Shouldn't we pressing our local, state and federal governments to improve the situation instead of handing out tax breaks to corporations?

I would be sympathetic towards fees - not taxes - that cannot be funneled away under long jail-time punishment - for which the usage would go directly to take the violent assholes off the streets (incarcerate them) and provide reasonable shelter and food for those willing to clean up the city and keep it clean in exchange. The problem is that all the money even in cities like SF flush with tourist and tech cash goes into corrupt government hands and big pensions. The tax breaks are not the main issue here, even after those there is ample money on the cities hands, but it gets misused and city employees make big bucks and guaranteed 8% APR pensions while doing jack shit to improve the ci...

From living in LA, including Downtown, I can tell you that the current homeless issue is directly related to poor court rulings along with tolerance encouraged by leftist politicians starting with Beta Male Supreme, LA Mayor Eric Cuckcetti.

The truth of the matter is that Chief Bratton's broken windows policies(which leftists despise) along with community policing, reduced LA's skid row population to under 2500 persons by around 2011, and minimized homeless encampments throughout Los Angeles. Since then there have been miserable court rulings allowing mentally ill people to have their shopping carts full of rubbish treated as property and requiring the city to store said property. This ruling is absolute fucking lunacy and each 9th circuit judge that supported it, including the Republican, needs a good hard kick in the nuts.

http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2012/09/05/11-56253.pdf
And as much as I might have libertarian leanings, I find not one statement in the constitution that might sway me to believe that people have a right to reside on public streets or sidewalks. So I strongly object to a shitty ruling like this:

http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-homeless-vehicles-20140620-story.html
And if anyone disagrees, we can go visit the areas of LA where these people live. I strongly encourage you to get invited inside one of these campers. Then tell me if you think this was a good court ruling.

Finally you have Eric Cuckcetti giving lip service to supporting the homeless, stiffling the efforts of the police to continue with the broken windows policy(the imbecile voters of California are equally at fault for their incredibly stupid vote in favor of prop 4) and doing EVIL politically expedient things like supporting the fake and financed Occupy movement.

Its a clusterfuck for sure. People living in the city of LA are already suffering greater crime and nasty nasty conditions created by drug users and mentally ill homeless who are sprouting up Garcettiviles all over CIty of LA. I wonder how much suffering will be necessary for the voters to wake up and realize that leftist politicians are the ones who created the problem.

FortWayne says

Liberals today on the news were flipping out over the "shithole" comments, calling it "racist". How is that racist? Everyone thinks those countries are shitholes, even people who live in them. It's why they can't wait to leave to anywhere else.

The same media that happily promotes Painters who use Menstrual Blood, or Naked Harridans harassing the Church, or underplaying the role of "South Asians" (ie Pakis) in Rape Gangs, is the same media that thinks the "S-word" is really vulgar.

Mighty Strange if you ask me!

Bring back the CCC. From Maine Forest Roads to cleaning up our Federal Parks, we can employ a million bums and deadbeats year round with Room and Board and $2/hour jobs (plus another $3/hr for oversight, shelter, food, medical care which is probably over generous). Anybody can apply for a 90-day stay, and Judges can require it in lieu of prison for vagrants and low-level drug users and poor deadbeat dads. That would be the male bum side of the Unwed Mother's Homes.

Temporary Shelter in Summer and/or Permanent Bunkhouses in Winter, with pre-packaged meals to be supplies by local small businesses and restaurants.

For about $12-15B/year we can get a million bums off the street while improving our national infrastructure. That's less than what we spend on NASA.

Did Trump really say he would rather have immigrants from Norway ?

anon_c6dfa says

Dupe

Hard to top that last one. Here goes:



It's missing one: "On the Street Courthouse."

Another Great One:



(I think Booger may have posted this)

Democrats are anti freedom of speech party. Things said in private are now criminalized. Even when referring to shithole countries without sugarcoating.

CNN Airs 195 Uses of 'Shithole' in a day!

https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/tim-graham/2018/01/15/cnn-leaps-toilet-network-aired-195-uses-shole-friday

Reminds me of a certain South Park episode!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Hits_the_Fan

When I hear Shithole, I think of the mouth of the Trumpcucks.

Lay on their backs and swallow all the shit.

Open their pie hole and mostly shit comes flying out

I think of Trump's mouth himself. With all of the bullshit that spews forth, it's like an eternal fountainhead of shit.

Obligatory

www.youtube.com/embed/cJH_0jxL-w8?start=10&end=14

Strategist says

Trump referred to Haiti, African nations as 'shit hole' countries;

errc says

When I hear Shithole, I think of the mouth of the Trumpcucks.

Lay on their backs and swallow all the shit.

Open their pie hole and mostly shit comes flying out

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

I think of Trump's mouth himself. With all of the bullshit that spews forth, it's like an eternal fountainhead of shit.

Hutch says

People who buy his shit have shit for brains.

Just look how wonderful this site is now, the civility is just overflowing. I can see why new users would love to post here. It's the NEW Patrick.net V2.0

I think incivility is defined as attacked a poster specifically. You can crap on ideas or classify groups of people, just not the individual themselves.

"I've never seen so many people fawn before Court Historians, when just a couple of years ago those same people were warning about Media Consolidation" is fine.

"Username is an A-hole." is not.

Hutch says

I agree i don't think i should be allowed to say that either.

The new rules definitely allow for calling Trump whatever you want. I don't see the problem of pointing out that Trump's mouth is a fountain of bullshit. It is ironic that out of that mouth spewed accusations that various (mostly black) countries were shitholes that generally are full of people who we do not want in our country. This is the type of thought that I could see making it into a political cartoon.

They also allow to call large groups of people whatever you want. So, you can say trumpcucks or libtards are fill in the uncivil adjectives of choice. Those comments usually just basic trolling. One just substitutes a broad category often in response to the comment of an individual poster.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

I think incivility is defined as attacked a poster specifically. You can crap on ideas or classify groups of people, just not the individual themselves.

"I've never seen so many people fawn before Court Historians, when just a couple of years ago those same people were warning about Media Consolidation" is fine.

"Username is an A-hole." is not.

Yeah but the whole incivility thing is just a crutch because of some people not being able to control their speech on this site while simultaneously demanding changes and moderation rights. I still prefer the full; freedom of speech version of this site, and why you should not be able to call a shithole a shithole is only a thought for leftoid TDS minds. That being said, the site has cleaned up a bit and people can discuss diametrically opposite viewpoints without crying or leaving. Pros and cons..

mell says

why you should not be able to call a shithole a shithole is only a thought for leftoid TDS minds

lol--it was Trump supporting special snowflakes that pushed for civility.

HappyGilmore says

mell says

why you should not be able to call a shithole a shithole is only a thought for leftoid TDS minds

lol--it was Trump supporting special snowflakes that pushed for civility.

No it was unnamed feathered animals cries for moderation or selective whacking of "trolls" while lashing out with extreme vulgarity at any opposing view. I think this civility thing only came to fruition because it is the least subjective moderation criteria. Not a fan of it, but have to admit it has worked at least some.