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Why Saudi Arabia and Iran are heading towards a war, and why it's good for USA.


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2017 Nov 17, 7:06pm   17,502 views  68 comments

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#MiddleEastInsanity

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-42008809
How come Saudi Arabia and Iran don't get along?
Saudi Arabia and Iran - two powerful neighbours - are locked in a fierce struggle for regional dominance.
The decades-old feud between them is exacerbated by religious differences. They each follow one of the two main sects in Islam - Iran is largely Shia Muslim, while Saudi Arabia sees itself as the leading Sunni Muslim power.

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2   Strategist   2017 Nov 17, 7:15pm  

Strategist says
Decades old? The Sunnis and Shiites have been killing each other for 1,400 years.


Lets help them do what they have wanted to do for 1,400 years, ie destroy each other.
It will make the world a better place for us.
3   Strategist   2017 Nov 17, 7:21pm  

Remember folks.....When they are killing each other, they are not killing us.
4   Goran_K   2017 Nov 17, 7:25pm  

I’d only be worried about Iran’s newly acquired nuclear ability via Obama and Saudi Arabia’s own hidden nuclear ability. Not to mention Israel.

Could be a powder box.

But im general I’d love to see Islamic regimes crash and burn.
5   Strategist   2017 Nov 17, 7:38pm  

Most of our problems began after 911.
Our budget surplus became a massive deficit.
We went through 2 stock market crashes.
We had to spend extraordinary amounts to fight Islam
Our wages stopped growing.
We ended up in a great depression.
We were forced to spend more on the military to fight terrorism.
We have to pay more for security at airports etc
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What good has that fucking religion, Islam, ever done for us or for anyone else?
6   Patrick   2017 Nov 17, 8:30pm  

I'd like for the Iranians to kick Saudi ass, making it harder for the Saudis to keep funding Wahhabi terrorism around the world.

But after that, it would be nice if the Iranians would revert to Zoroastrianism, the grand old religion native to their country, instead of the Arab import of Islam.
7   Strategist   2017 Nov 17, 8:35pm  

rando says
I'd like for the Iranians to kick Saudi ass, making it harder for the Saudis to keep funding Wahhabi terrorism around the world.

But after that, it would be nice if the Iranians would revert to Zoroastrianism, the grand old religion native to their country, instead of the Arab import of Islam.


That would be awesome.
I would like the Iranians to win because they seem to have more brains than than stupid Arabs.
In the end, I want Islam to lose.
8   anonymous   2017 Nov 17, 10:32pm  

Strategist says
Decades old? The Sunnis and Shiites have been killing each other for 1,400 years.

1400yrs? Babylonians had unfinished business with them since Sirius the Great.
9   Y   2017 Nov 18, 6:23am  

CIA should provide nuclear facility satellite targeting info to the saudi's.
CIA should provide Wahabi mosque satellite targeting info to the iranians.
10   Strategist   2017 Nov 18, 8:31am  

anonymous says
Anyone think maybe we need to just call it a day, count our losses and leave and ignore the constant drumbeat of who the next boogeyman is that is coming after us so we can continue to build up our security theater, war machine and boost profits for the defense industry.


We can't get out of the Mid East. We tried that, and ISIS became an empire in no time. Imagine an ISIS that had continued to expand, the hell, chaos and genocide that would follow in the Mid East along with more 911 types of attack against us and the rest of the world. We are stuck there, wether we like it or not, until the people are willing to give up Islam for true democracy.
11   RWSGFY   2017 Nov 18, 8:39am  

anonymous says
As for the Saudi's fighting their own battles - not a chance in hell. We will rush to their defense


I dunno: in direct confrontation Iran doesn't really have a chance because Saudi AF is head and shoulders above Persian rag-tag collection of obsolete hardware and out-of-practice pilots. It doesn't really matter how much more tanks and cannon fodder you have if your opponent has the air superiority. Which Saudi will have from the day one.
12   HEY YOU   2017 Nov 18, 10:58am  

Has anyone taken a tour of Iran's nuclear weapons?
OH! That's right! They don't have any?
At least all the "nuclear" during the collapse of the Soviet Union is accounted for.
13   HEY YOU   2017 Nov 18, 11:05am  

KimJongUn says
if your opponent has the air superiority.

That's why on 9/11 commercial planes, were stopped cold.

Apparently Republicans had never seen an aeroplane.
And today,Trump bows down to Wahabbi Saudis.
14   HEY YOU   2017 Nov 18, 11:38am  

"MiddleEastInsanity "

Killing American servicemen & spending Republican tax dollars based on a Republican LIE.
Now we know why the House needs to increase taxes,they really know how to rack up military waste.
Lives don't matter to them,Niger,Niger,Niger,or they would have prosecuted anyone that has anything to do with the Middle East Iraq LIE,for the murder of Americans.
Should I bring up their failure to protect America on 9/11 from Wahabbi Saudi Arabia,a Middle East nation?
The Middle East is nothing,Trump takes it farther,to the Far East to buy import goods destroying America jobs.
Right here in the West,Trump sends Carrier jobs to Mexico.
Guess it's "good for the USA"

It's Republicans that are insane.
15   Strategist   2017 Nov 18, 12:04pm  

HEY YOU says
Has anyone taken a tour of Iran's nuclear weapons?
OH! That's right! They don't have any?


Words of Wisdom:
Those who stone women to death, cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons.
Strategist 2017
16   Shaman   2017 Nov 18, 1:20pm  

We can only hope that Iran nukes Mecca and demolishes that poisonous religion for all time.
17   anonymous   2017 Nov 18, 1:55pm  

Everybody knows that war in the middle east is good for America. Always will be. That's why Jared will fail.
18   bob2356   2017 Nov 18, 6:35pm  

Strategist says

That would be awesome.
I would like the Iranians to win because they seem to have more brains than than stupid Arabs.
In the end, I want Islam to lose.


The first thing that would happen is the Straights of Hormuz would be closed and 28% of the worlds oil supply would disappear leaving the US 9.5 million barrels a day short. Sure that would really be awesome.
19   Booger   2017 Nov 18, 6:52pm  

bob2356 says
The first thing that would happen is the Straights of Hormuz would be closed


Is the Suez Canal broken?
20   RWSGFY   2017 Nov 18, 10:31pm  

bob2356 says
The first thing that would happen is the Straights of Hormuz would be closed and 28% of the worlds oil supply would disappear leaving the US 9.5 million barrels a day short.


Putin's wet dream.
21   RWSGFY   2017 Nov 18, 10:42pm  

Booger says
bob2356 says
The first thing that would happen is the Straights of Hormuz would be closed


Is the Suez Canal broken?


Look at the map - Suez is not enough.
22   bob2356   2017 Nov 18, 10:59pm  

Booger says
bob2356 says
The first thing that would happen is the Straights of Hormuz would be closed


Is the Suez Canal broken?


After they drag a supertanker over the desert,750 miles to the oil fields to fill it up then drag it back the suez canal will work fine.
23   Y   2017 Nov 19, 6:11am  

Bring it on...i'm long on shale baby....light up those kitchens!

KimJongUn says
28% of the worlds oil supply would disappear leaving the US 9.5 million barrels a day short
24   RWSGFY   2017 Nov 19, 7:16am  

anonymous says
"Saudi AF is head and shoulders above Persian rag-tag collection of obsolete hardware and out-of-practice pilots"

Browsing around last evening I could not find anything to support that statement.


Really? You browsed the whole interwebs day and night and couldn't find the list of hardware on both sides? I find it hard to believe. Try wikipedia if all else fails.
25   bob2356   2017 Nov 19, 7:34am  

KimJongUn says
anonymous says
"Saudi AF is head and shoulders above Persian rag-tag collection of obsolete hardware and out-of-practice pilots"

Browsing around last evening I could not find anything to support that statement.


Really? You browsed the whole interwebs day and night and couldn't find the list of hardware on both sides? I find it hard to believe.


Why don't you provide the source of your information that the Saudi AF is head and shoulders above? You made the statement, back it up.

So why is the saudi head and shoulders above saudi military falling on it's face against a handful of really rag tag Houthi rebels? The problems of being Saudi (expecting someone else to do everything for you), the royal family not trusting the military, and the crazy structure of having 2 military organizations (Royal Saudi Land Forces (RSLF) and Saudi Arabian National Guard (SANG)) that do not coordinate and are actually to keep each other in check means it's very doubtful the Saudi's are going to last long against Iran in an all out war.
26   Strategist   2017 Nov 19, 8:11am  

bob2356 says
The first thing that would happen is the Straights of Hormuz would be closed and 28% of the worlds oil supply would disappear leaving the US 9.5 million barrels a day short. Sure that would really be awesome.

Yeah sure. We heard the same BS when Saddam Hussein was about to get attacked. Super tankers could just anchor for a few days until the war is over.

bob2356 says

Why don't you provide the source of your information that the Saudi AF is head and shoulders above? You made the statement, back it up.

If the USA is supporting the Saudis, obviously they will have the air force WE deem they should have. The $350 billion in weapons we are selling to the Saudis are not WW2 planes.
The team we support will win the war.
27   Strategist   2017 Nov 19, 8:19am  

anonymous says
By the way has anyone bothered to inquire as to what type of government the people over there want or did the U.S. and it's "allies" make that decision for them since we always know what is best for people.


They want an Islamic government. We tried elections with Palestine, and they elected Islamists. We tried that with Egypt, and they elected Islamists. These Islamists are too dangerous, and therefore we must decide what government they will have. Yes, it is arrogant, it is bullying and it is not fair. But why should we be fair to extremists who want to kill us?
28   curious2   2017 Nov 19, 10:47am  

Strategist says
But why should we be fair to extremists who want to kill us?


Fairness: ''Do unto others as they would do unto you - and do it first...." If we had the oil and they had the guns, they would simply take whatever they want, make everyone submit to their doctrine, and kill anyone who objects. Petrodollar kickbacks (baksheesh) corrupt western politicians and MSM to empower 'allies' who would kill us at the first opportunity.
29   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Nov 19, 11:34am  

bob2356 says
The first thing that would happen is the Straights of Hormuz would be closed and 28% of the worlds oil supply would disappear leaving the US 9.5 million barrels a day short. Sure that would really be awesome.


If the Iranians closed the straits of Hormuz, that would be the end of the Iranian Navy and Air Force, at a minimum.
30   Strategist   2017 Nov 19, 12:31pm  

TwoScoopsMcGee says
bob2356 says
The first thing that would happen is the Straights of Hormuz would be closed and 28% of the worlds oil supply would disappear leaving the US 9.5 million barrels a day short. Sure that would really be awesome.


If the Iranians closed the straits of Hormuz, that would be the end of the Iranian Navy and Air Force, at a minimum.


And the end of their life blood oil revenues. We have alternative sources of energy, but they have no alternative sources of income. We have them by the balls. :)
31   bob2356   2017 Nov 19, 4:24pm  

Strategist says
bob2356 says
The first thing that would happen is the Straights of Hormuz would be closed and 28% of the worlds oil supply would disappear leaving the US 9.5 million barrels a day short. Sure that would really be awesome.

Yeah sure. We heard the same BS when Saddam Hussein was about to get attacked. Super tankers could just anchor for a few days until the war is over.


Iraq doesn't control the Straights of Hormuz. Iraq is at the end of the Persian Gulf. Check a map. That would be the few days like the Iraq/Iran war. Those few days?
32   WatermelonUniversity   2017 Nov 19, 4:30pm  

any war in that over-populated region is good.
33   bob2356   2017 Nov 19, 4:53pm  

Strategist says
bob2356 says

Why don't you provide the source of your information that the Saudi AF is head and shoulders above? You made the statement, back it up.

If the USA is supporting the Saudis, obviously they will have the air force WE deem they should have. The $350 billion in weapons we are selling to the Saudis are not WW2 planes.
The team we support will win the war.


That worked out so well when the North Vietnamese 1950's vintage mig 17/21 were shooting the Air Force and Navy F-4/F-8's out of the sky. At least the Navy got the message after 5 years and started up Top Gun in 1968 to train Navy pilots in air combat again. The number of Navy kills went way up after that while the Air Force sucked wind until the war ended.

The mig 29's the russians are selling Iran aren't WWII vintage either. They are capable of taking on an F 15. Pilot skill would be the deciding factor. The F5 is very capable also. They were used as aggressors for many years by the US Navy/Air Force and could regularly beat an F15 with the right pilot. You might want to read this. https://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1128/p01s04-wosc.html

Tactics and training win air wars not hardware. That's been proven time and time again.
34   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Nov 19, 4:56pm  

Strategist says
And the end of their life blood oil revenues. We have alternative sources of energy, but they have no alternative sources of income. We have them by the balls. :)


Any blockage of the Straits is bad for Iran, since we'll seize outbound tankers carrying Iranian oil anywhere in the Indian or Pacific. Worse for China than us. We get very little oil from Iran.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-iran-oil/chinas-iran-oil-imports-to-hit-record-on-new-production-sources-idUSKBN14P15W
35   Shaman   2017 Nov 19, 5:02pm  

anonymous says
" there by a long shot. We are there for nefarious reasons that have little to do with freedom and democracy but we don't have the guts to get out since that would mean admitting we can't like without their oil.


Partial credit. We don’t need their oil, we need their petro dollars and the sandbox is a great place to explode ordinance and fuel the Military Industrial Complex. We aren’t there to “win” anything. Just to spend money and create demand for weapons. And make widows. Lots and lots of widows.
36   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Nov 19, 5:13pm  

Quigley says
We aren’t there to “win” anything. Just to spend money and create demand for weapons.


Foreign Policy Mag, which has endorsed all of our failed ME policies, right up till today, is mad that Crown Prince (soon King) Muhammed is reforming Saudi Arabia.

They don't want to solve problems, they want them to keep going because Consultants have a vested interest in controlling but not eliminating the problem. If they eliminated it, a lucrative source of money and power would disappear. Nobody employees vacuum tube consultants like they used to in the 1950s.

The Wahabi-US Intel alliance has been decades in the making, it still has adherents.

Watch Prince Bandar "Bush" very very carefully. There were rumors of his arrest, but if Muhammed arrests or ousts Bandar, holy shit.

The secret alliance created around the Orb of Cofeve will destroy the legacy of failed Deep State MENA Policies.
37   MisdemeanorRebel   2017 Nov 19, 5:18pm  

PS The Saudi Special Forces are already training the Lebanese Army. The Crown Prince has been bitching about Hezbollah lately.

Very Interesting things are going to happen.

Here are the deep state hit pieces on the amazing, young, reformist, Crown Prince coming fast and furious:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/11/saudi-crown-prince-makes-dangerous-unprecedented-power-grab.html
http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/11/10/donald-trump-has-unleashed-the-saudi-arabia-we-always-wanted-and-feared/?utm_content=buffer6b0f0&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer
38   Strategist   2017 Nov 19, 8:13pm  

bob2356 says
Yeah sure. We heard the same BS when Saddam Hussein was about to get attacked. Super tankers could just anchor for a few days until the war is over.


Iraq doesn't control the Straights of Hormuz. Iraq is at the end of the Persian Gulf. Check a map. That would be the few days like the Iraq/Iran war. Those few days?


And did Iran manage to close the Straights during the Iraq/Iran war?
39   Strategist   2017 Nov 19, 8:22pm  

bob2356 says
The mig 29's the russians are selling Iran aren't WWII vintage either. They are capable of taking on an F 15. Pilot skill would be the deciding factor. The F5 is very capable also. They were used as aggressors for many years by the US Navy/Air Force and could regularly beat an F15 with the right pilot. You might want to read this. https://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1128/p01s04-wosc.html

Tactics and training win air wars not hardware. That's been proven time and time again.


Better technology wins the wars. Iran has neither tactics or better hardware. They could not even defeat Saddam Hussein.
Remember the 1967 war Israel had with all the Arabs? American weapons are far more superior to any communist crap.
40   Shaman   2017 Nov 19, 8:35pm  

Strategist says
American weapons are far more superior to any communist crap


Is that why we couldn’t win in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, or Syria? Or could it be that we never actually wanted to win. We just wanted to spend a fuckton of money blowing shit up to make our military industrial complex overlords richer.
41   Strategist   2017 Nov 19, 8:44pm  

Quigley says
Strategist says
American weapons are far more superior to any communist crap


Is that why we couldn’t win in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, or Syria? Or could it be that we never actually wanted to win. We just wanted to spend a fuckton of money blowing shit up to make our military industrial complex overlords richer.


We chose not to use the weapons that could have given us easy victories. That is our weakness.

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