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If he is black, St. Louis will give him a medal.

LOL, and this is why NFL players are kneeling. Those cops had no right! No right!

Another angle showing suspect shorting at police:
www.youtube.com/embed/lgiiA7hRgg4

Another senseless act of police brutality according to Dan.

#BlackLivesMatter
#BendTheKnee

I hope none of these cops are put on paid leave pending a review of their handling of the situation.

Let's show Unity by insulting the Flag and Anthem at Football Games to stop Police Brutally being paid their salary when not charged with a crime.

That proves America is a racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, neocolonialist, etc. etc. dehumanizing country, according to Kaepernick.

What took them so long? It's a fucking rush hour - they need to deal with this kind of shit much fasterer.

It's just disgusting when there is a case that is so clear cut there is no way to anoint a heroic victim and sue the police, the county, or the city.

Ceffer says

It's just disgusting when there is a case that is so clear cut there is no way to anoint a heroic victim and sue the police, the county, or the city.

Just wait... I can see a lawsuit for unnecessary roughness

BayArea says

Just wait... I can see a lawsuit for unnecessary roughness

Yep, because the cops used bullets, how mean of them.

Hey Dan,
Look at these assholes. The bad cops kill another innocent man in cold blood, and these assholes mock him. Makes me sick.
Please put them all on ignore.

I for one am grateful that he had the courtesy to take the show to Emeryville and not here in Fairfield, where the murder occurred. Very considerate also not to waste my tax dollars for so many police bullets hitting his body.

Police kill homicide suspect during I-80 standoff, traffic snarled for hours

The right-wing looneys are out in force, trying to create a false equivalence between the police shooting an armed man that is shooting at the police, and the many cases of police shooting unarmed and harmless members of the general public.

I'm not falling for your propaganda. Just because we here have ONE documented case of a shooting that was necessary (but likely could have been avoided, see below), does not imply that shooting was necessary in the other cases. Anyone with just a bone of honesty in their body knows that.

I believe 70% of those shot by cops are armed. And the remain 30% includes those running at cops, trying to grapple with cops, etc.

If you're a cop and somebody is reaching out to grapple you or especially your belt area looking for your pistol, shooting them is understandable.

I don't know the full backstory of this event (before the video starts), but what happens at time 0:20 is bothersome: Someone on the police side fires shots ("shots fired", per the reporter on the scene) at the suspect, who is sitting with both hands, seemingly empty-handed, hanging out the car window to display his compliance with the police. AFTER the shots are fired by the police, the suspect retreats into the vehicle (who wouldn't instinctively do that?), then proceeds to pick up a gun and exit the vehicle to shoot back. Could be a case of "they are going to shoot me anyway, so I might as well fight back".

Again, many details are missing from this story, but to overlook the above observations would be a mistake.

Capernik is probably kneeling even further by now. His innocent "brother" been slain by evil whites.

(that was sarcasm in case it wasn't obvious to anyone)

Here is another video angle, but very unfortunately the video starts 3 seconds too late and does NOT capture the moment before the suspect retreats into the vehicle. Hence no evidence of the initial shots being fired while the suspect still had his (empty, AFAICT) hands out the window in compliance.
www.youtube.com/embed/dGjGtXe1Zxk

Okay, here is the evidence that the police shot at the man first as he was holding two empty hands still out the window in compliance with the orders given over the megaphone. The initial shot was fired at about time 4:57. The suspect instinctively seeks shelter in the vehicle, then for whatever reason, choses to arm himself and shoot back.

Indeed, this could very well be a case of "they are going to shoot me anyway, so I might as well fight back".
www.youtube.com/embed/VB7Rh-5Nlwk

justme says

Indeed, this could very well be a case of "they are going to shoot me anyway, so I might as well fight back".

Trying to rationalize stupid choices much?

justme says

Okay, here is the evidence that the police shot at the man first as he was holding two empty hands still out the window in compliance with the orders given over the megaphone. The initial shot was fired at about time 4:57. The suspect instinctively seeks shelter in the vehicle, then for whatever reason, choses to arm himself and shoot back.

Indeed, this could very well be a case of "they are going to shoot me anyway, so I might as well fight back".

Did not watch the video cause it really doesn't matter to me. Could police handle most situations better, absolutely. Why are they even in this situation from the get go though? People need to start addressing the problem with most of the pie and not just a tiny slice of it. What are the solutions to reduce crime and the motivation for committing it? If no one is really planning to address that, you're going to keep seeing police put in shitty situations that should have never happened in the first place. We have got to stop blaming the reaction to the problem and deal with the problem itself.

SpecialSnowflake says

Trying to rationalize stupid choices much?

Well, Strawman/SpecialSnowFlake, I do know that you have a severe dislike for facts. The dislike for facts is rampant among right-wingers, so you are not alone.

Even this supposedly "good" shooting (as the police like to call these events) turned out to be a case of police shooting at a man that had no weapon in his hands, thereby causing the rest of this tragic event to unfold.

me123 says

So, wouldn't you wait until ALL the facts came out to make a judgement all instead of a quick video clip?

Nice double standard, CIC/me123. You and the right-wingers get to shoot from the hip (sometimes liiterally) , but when I analyze the event and point out actual evidence that contradicts your pre-fabricated narrative, you accuse of not waiting for all the evidence. Could you be more disingenious? That was joke. I'm sure you can.

Right wing logic:

In order to uphold the law and protect the public, police must be allowed to break the law and harm the public.

I just made that connection after watching the Vietnam War series on PBS (see other thread). There, a famous slogan by an army official, was:

"In order to save the village (implied: from the communists), we had to destroy it"

Let's leave my wings alone for now.

justme says

a case of police shooting at a man that had no weapon in his hands

justme says

The suspect instinctively seeks shelter in the vehicle, then for whatever reason, choses to arm himself and shoot back.

Hmm, so which one is the fact: the one you stated now, or the one you stated before? It can't be both, can it?

Since Strawman/SpecialSnowflake and CIC/me123 are unable or unwilling to represent honestly what I claim, I will spell out again what my claims are, for the benefit of other readers. For simplicity I will refer to video1/2/3 in the order they were posted in this thread.

1. at time video3/4:48, the suspect is complying and has two empty hands placed out the side window of the vehicle and down the side of the door. Video3 veers from the hands at his point, but in video1/0:14 to 0:18 you can see that the suspect continues to hold his empty hands still and outside the vehicle, just as ordered.

2. at time video3/4:58 and video1/0:18, the police shoot at him anyway, I hear one or maybe two shots <-----THIS IS A KEY EVENT, POLICE IS SHOOTING AT AN UNARMED MAN

3. at time video1/4:59 the suspect quickly retreats from his compliant position, in what a reasonable person would consider to be an instinctive reaction to the shot(s) fired.

4. the suspect then, for unknown reasons, decides to arm himself and exit the vehicle with a gun in his hand (AFAICT).

5. at time video3/5:09, suspect exits vehicle, with what looks like a weapon in his hand, and is gunned down by police

Will any reasonable person disagree with the above? I hope not. Now, in view of the above:

I speculate that item 4. may be a case of "they are shooting at me anyway, so I might as well fight back". I contend this is every bit as valid a speculation as the all-too-common assertion that "the suspect decided to commit suicide by cop", which I think very often is the police version of "the victim was asking for it". Furthermore, I contend that there is a good chance that if one or two careless or trigger-happy police officers had not first shot at an unarmed and now compliant suspect, the suspect would not have decided to shoot back.

justme says

Indeed, this could very well be a case of "they are going to shoot me anyway, so I might as well fight back".

Could also be a case that the guy is a convicted felon who did time in prison for a firearm charge, was wanted on another homicide, and decided to ignore the requests by the cops and came out of the vehicle shooting.

Seriously dude, go do some research, the guys name is Demilo Hodge.

Once again, we see past offenders ignoring the cops and get killed because of it.

Dan thinks that cops are target practice for black gangs.

justme says

Since Strawman/SpecialSnowflake and CIC/me123 are unable or unwilling to represent honestly what I claim

Bullshit: I included direct quotes with links to actual posts by just you. So you represent just yourselves. And if you're doing a poor job at it - it's solely just your fault.

justme says

1. at time video3/4:48, the suspect is complying and has two empty hands placed out the side window of the vehicle and down the side of the door. Video3 veers from the hands at his point, but in video1/0:14 to 0:18 you can see that the suspect continues to hold his empty hands still and outside the vehicle, just as ordered.

2. at time video3/4:58 and video1/0:18, the police shoot at him anyway, I hear one or maybe two shots <-----THIS IS A KEY EVENT, POLICE IS SHOOTING AT AN UNARMED MAN

3. at time video1/4:59 the suspect quickly retreats from his compliant position, in what a reasonable person would consider to be an instinctive reaction to the shot(s) fired.

4. the suspect then, for unknown reasons, decides to arm himself and exit the vehicle with a gun in his hand (AFAICT).

And this is, my friends, the idiotic choice you're trying to defend. Which is pretty hard, because it's indefensible. I feel for you, but it's time you abandon this awkward position. The guy was and idiot and died an idiotic death.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

#BlackLivesMatter
#BendTheKnee

I hope none of these cops are put on paid leave pending a review of their handling of the situation.

Let's show Unity by insulting the Flag and Anthem at Football Games to stop Police Brutally being paid their salary when not charged with a crime.

That proves America is a racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, neocolonialist, etc. etc. dehumanizing country, according to Kaepernick.

Your point would be valid if this were representative of the victims that the take a knee protests are bringing to the public's attention. He's not. The real victims are law-abiding, unarmed, not violent Americans like the seven-year-old girl whose brains were blown out by a cop who then framed her grandmother for it.
www.youtube.com/embed/IW2-UVskHUA

The lying scumbag cop committed perjury to cover his crime.

So tell me, is take a knee invalid? Does this woman's life or her granddaughter's life not matter at all? Are those two equivalent to the murderer in the video in the original post?

Watch that video and tell me that girl deserved to die and the grandmother is scum too.

Just me - problem with this (and frankly all of Patnet) is rendering a judgment w/o all the facts. Yes I heard the same 1-2 shooting sounds you did but do we know they were shooting AT him? Could it have been a bean bag gun? Dragons breath round? Moreover what information was being fed to the cops in the pursuit? Were they perhaps told from bystanders "this guy has a gun"? Perhaps they were told the guy is xyz and is deemed armed and dangerous"?

I don't know any answers yet - and I'm sure tomorrow as more info comes out and all my questions are proven w/o merit you and all of Patnetia will crow "see I told you so! Ha ha ha - you were wrong" and if so - so be it.

Point is - none of us have answers to all those questions yet - and without that it's really premature to render judgment

Police just trying to take another American's 2nd amendment Rights.

All you gun lovers sit for hours in a stand still because you think everyone has a right to a gun.You assholes
forgot that there are consequences to some people owning or having access to a gun. How's it feel being a victim of your pretzel logic.

The gun makers manufacture the guns knowing the damage their profit motive can cause.
They will be sending you a check for the inconvenience & disruption their product caused you.

justme says

4. the suspect then, for unknown reasons, decides to arm himself and exit the vehicle with a gun in his hand (AFAICT).

Unknown reason? LOL. He armed himself to kill cops. I'm glad he's dead.

anonymous says

Were they perhaps told from bystanders "this guy has a gun"? Perhaps they were told the guy is xyz and is deemed armed and dangerous"?

The cops went to pick him up originally as he was suspect for a homicide plus a previously convicted felon that did prison time, so the cops were already on guard. He decide to run, and the chase took place. Then, for many minutes after he stopped, he refused to follow the instructions of the cop. Go listen to the third video above.

Lastly, he exited his truck and fired one or two shots towards the cops. The rest is history.

me123 says

The cops went to pick him up originally as he was suspect for a homicide plus a previously convicted felon that did prison time, so the cops were already on guard. He decide to run, and the chase took place. Then, for many minutes after he stopped, he refused to follow the instructions of the cop. Go listen to the third video above.

Lastly, he exited his truck and fired one or two shots towards the cops. The rest is history.

Why anyone would feel sorry for this animal shocks me. I'm glad he's dead and we don't have to feed him anymore. Even dog food would be a waste on him.

The trial will not be lengthy...

How anyone could even begin to defend this criminal given the circumstances along with the video evidence is truly disturbing.

The left and right has a spectrum. It seems to me like the extreme most 5% or so left and the extreme 5% or so right have completely abondoned logic and common sense.

Point is - none of us have answers to all those questions yet - and without that it's really premature to render judgment

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Fair enough. Are you an American? See, here we have this thing called due process, and a court system. The Peace Officers aren't supposed to be The Executioner. We should all want them to be intelligent and well trained in de-escalating situations.

It's incompatible with the American Way to empower The State to take the lives of it's citizens on a whim.

What exactly is a person supposed to do when they find themselves in a situation where they are complying with The State (LEO) and dangling their empty hands out of the window (doing what they are told), and come to find it's a lie and they are taking fire?

The attitude of The People, to not only condone, but seemingly celebrate The State destroying the rights of a citizen, and ultimately taking a life, is far more dangerous than any of the other bullshit fears you've been manipulated to feel.

That LEO is so violently aggressive can only breed more instances like this. Why the fuck are police constantly excusing their own misdeeds by saying that they acted out of fear? They're trained, armed, and 1,000,000 deep in this country. They are above reproach and never have to answer for their actions. What the hell are they afraid of? The person on the other side of any LEO interaction has every legitimate reason to be reacting in fear. It's fucking dangerous as hell

FortWayne says

Dan thinks that cops are target practice for black gangs.

FortWayne thinks infants are sex dolls.