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Strategist says

The responsibility on the N Koreans achieving nukes lies almost entirely on Obama

NK detonated it's first warhead in 2006 when Obama was a senator. Using technology supplied by pakistan. How exactly was Senator Obama responsible pray tell?

PeopleUnited says

If Kimfuck is dead, the military of NK might just take over and start a real war.

The devil we don't know cannot be worse than the devil we know...Kimfuck the third.



bob2356 says

NK detonated it's first warhead in 2006 when Obama was a senator. Using technology supplied by pakistan. How exactly was Senator Obama responsible pray tell?

Because most of their nuke technology was acquired after that event in the last 10 or 11 years when Obama was President. Obama did not do anything to stop it, but kicked the can down the road. Trump would have got the job done if he was President then. Now, after the Hydrogen bomb, I think it's too late.
It was not a good day for me. It's not a good day for the world.
We live in a fucked up world.

null says

jazz_music says

BTW the entire UK just banned Fox News last week. The nerve of those commie snowflakes! Pepe toad-butt will be coming to feast on their tears.

You've posted that a couple of times. You need to check your facts.

Our friend Jazz only reads anti American trash, which is why he is calling for a revolution to overthrow the US government.

Strategist says

It's also possible many other countries and Islamic terrorist organizations already have some or all of the blueprints required to make a nuclear bomb. They would need scientists, the parts, and the equipment to assemble a nuclear bomb which is not easy.
My fear, both Pakistan and NK could easily give to terrorists a few nuclear devices, and would do so if we were to attack them. They may already have made those threats behind the scenes to us.

Every country in the world knows how to make a nuclear bomb. It's not very hard. A Princeton undergrad named John Aristotle Phillips made a successful design in 1976 as his term paper (see a book called The Atom Bomb Kid). The problem is getting the fissionable fuel to make the bomb which costs billions to do. I'm not sure why a country would spend billions building a bomb then give it to terrorists. The retribution would be the same whether a country bombed us directly or used a terrorist to do it.

bob2356 says

Strategist says

It's also possible many other countries and Islamic terrorist organizations already have some or all of the blueprints required to make a nuclear bomb. They would need scientists, the parts, and the equipment to assemble a nuclear bomb which is not easy.
My fear, both Pakistan and NK could easily give to terrorists a few nuclear devices, and would do so if we were to attack them. They may already have made those threats behind the scenes to us.

Every country in the world knows how to make a nuclear bomb. It's not very hard. A Princeton undergrad named John Aristotle Phillips made a successful design in 1976 as his term paper (see a book called The Atom Bomb Kid). The problem is getting the fissionable fuel to make the bomb which costs billions to do.

I agree with you. It's easy to get information on how to make a nuclear bomb, but getting the materials is the hard part.

bob2356 says

I'm not sure why a country would spend billions building a bomb then give it to terrorists. The retribution would be the same whether a country bombed us directly or used a terrorist to do it.

I can already think of 3 reasons:
1. Individuals with control of the nukes in a country could sell the bomb to terrorists or other countries for monetary gain. Pakistan has already done that.
2. A country like Pakistan or NK could sell a nuclear bomb to terrorists who would blow up NY City just because they hate us.
3. If attacked, these generals and dictators knowing their end has come, could just start giving away their nukes just for revenge.

jazz_music says

curious2 says

the notion of a secret and reliable shield against ICBMs sounds like wishful thnking.

Your video looks merely like more wishful thinking and confirmation bias. One commentator says the most likely purpose of the machine is to keep the Chinese guessing about what it's for. Maybe it was designed for drone surveillance back in the era of film photography, but got delayed and overtaken by better designs. Nothing about it suggests it could intercept an ICBM traveling at over 10k MPH.

It's odd how easily you slide from opposing what people in government are doing to believing that the people in government must know what they're doing and will protect us. Your credulity reminds me of the people who believed Iraq caused 9/11. There wasn't any direct evidence, there wasn't even a direct accusation, but some people believed it.

jazz_music says

Could it not launch an interceptor the same as they launch from the ground only in a fraction of the time?

No, it is too small to launch anything that could stop an ICBM.

jazz_music says

What is your question exactly?

I did not ask you a question, nor would I. You tend to believe what you want to believe, regardless of evidence. You have asked me a question, and my answer to you remains the same as before: your dubious assertion about neutralizing missiles has no foundation. It is merely wishful thinking on your part, which you maintain by watching videos that provide enough ambiguity that you can imagine whatever you want to believe.

Strategist says

Our friend Jazz only reads anti American trash, which is why he is

... anti- American

Strategist says

The devil we don't know cannot be worse than the devil we know...Kimfuck the third.

kimfuck may be NK's Sadam. that can of worms should not be opened by US. let china deal with their minion.

EMP,short for "We're so screwed."

You don't attack those countries. You destroy them as quickly as possible to contain and control their nukes...

Strategist says

My fear, both Pakistan and NK could easily give to terrorists a few nuclear devices, and would do so if we were to attack them

jazz_music says

Missiles are neutralized all the time, every year, like I said: threat always launched from Kwajalein and interceptor launched from Vandenberg. ABL has also successfully neutralized threats which could have included ballistic missiles.

Do you doubt that? Did you look up BMDO? They were renamed MDA in 2002 when we withdrew from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty of 1972.

What do you think they did on orbit for 2 years? Nothing? No testing of space-based weapons or counter measures?

My opinion is our defenses are multiple and can be brought to bear simultaneously.

All these successful developments, tests and war games must add up to some real capability.

Hate to butt in with the revolution plans you have with Kimfuck, but we would prefer no NK missiles have the capability to even launch any missiles.
By the way, how is your day going? You must be really happy that Kimfuck is gaining the capacity to destroy the evil capitalists like NK Japan and USA.

jazz_music says

PeopleUnited says

... anti- American

That clown has no idea what I read, nor will he ever.

His attacks on me are blind, wild, and irresponsible. I have him on ignore for his petulance.

he he he.
Who is that asshole Jazz? I can hardly wait to find out.

Link?

jazz_music says

null says

You've posted that

checked

null says

Hate to butt in with the revolution plans you have with Kimfuck, but we would prefer no NK missiles have the capability to even launch any missiles.
By the way, how is your day going? You must be really happy that Kimfuck is gaining the capacity to destroy the evil capitalists like NK Japan and USA.

Hey that was me. Did i screw up again?

Speaking of Korea, I spent this morning with one of our Korean War veterans in the VA Hospital hospice.

Become a VA Volunteer. It will change you forever!

nuke nk or kiss sk goodbye.
once kim gets icbms he will threaten to launch unless US conventional forces are withdrawn from the peninsula.
then he invades the south.
then he threatens to nuke anybody/everybody unless he gets freebies for NK to survive. who needs industry when you have nukes?
window is closing fast to put this fat fuck down...

Strategist says

bob2356 says

I'm not sure why a country would spend billions building a bomb then give it to terrorists. The retribution would be the same whether a country bombed us directly or used a terrorist to do it.

I can already think of 3 reasons:
1. Individuals with control of the nukes in a country could sell the bomb to terrorists or other countries for monetary gain. Pakistan has already done that.
2. A country like Pakistan or NK could sell a nuclear bomb to terrorists who would blow up NY City just because they hate us.
3. If attacked, these generals and dictators knowing their end has come, could just start giving away their nukes just for revenge.

1. Monetary gain? WTF. It cost billions to make a bomb. Only 9 countries have ponied up enough money to make it happen. Where are terrorists getting that kind of money? Pakistan sold technology and expertise not bombs.

2&3 Again why would they give a bomb worth billions to terrorists to possibly fuck up an attack instead of attacking us directly. Generals in a military organization are going to hand over atomic bombs to some bearded goat herders? WTF? That's just a stupid idea. Fissionable materials have distinctive characteristics. We would know where the bomb came from anyway.

I would be super surprised if we didn't have a very good middle defense system. Unfortunately I can post why I believe that is so.

I will say that people in this thread are underestimating the US ability to keep things under wraps.

Also can someone please explain to me why building a defensive middle system is "ratcheting up the tensions"? That makes no sense to me. Of course I understand why the Chinese and Russians claim that. But no clue why the US media just laps it up.

bob2356 says

I can already think of 3 reasons:
1. Individuals with control of the nukes in a country could sell the bomb to terrorists or other countries for monetary gain. Pakistan has already done that.
2. A country like Pakistan or NK could sell a nuclear bomb to terrorists who would blow up NY City just because they hate us.
3. If attacked, these generals and dictators knowing their end has come, could just start giving away their nukes just for revenge.

1. Monetary gain? WTF. It cost billions to make a bomb. Only 9 countries have ponied up enough money to make it happen. Where are terrorists getting that kind of money? Pakistan sold technology and expertise not bombs.

It may cost $billions for a nuclear program and a prototype. After that it's just an assembly line. Individuals within a country with access to bombs and enriched uranium could just sell a couple for a few $million.

bob2356 says

2&3 Again why would they give a bomb worth billions to terrorists to possibly fuck up an attack instead of attacking us directly. Generals in a military organization are going to hand over atomic bombs to some bearded goat herders? WTF? That's just a stupid idea. Fissionable materials have distinctive characteristics. We would know where the bomb came from anyway.

Generals know if they use a nuke against us they will be history. So all they have to do is give a couple of nukes to far away terrorist groups and hope it vaporizes New York. Any retaliation will fall on the terrorist groups who are just too eager to martyr themselves. And good luck finding out where the bomb came from after NY is vaporized.
The best prevention is to make sure unfriendly countries don't acquire nukes in the first place.

Dudes, the hydrogen bomb was invented in 1951.

Is it a surprise that after almost ~70 years, someone else couldn't reproduce the same results?

Rin says

Is it a surprise that after almost ~70 years, someone else couldn't reproduce the same results?

I'm sure there's an app for that.

airdrop pizzas inside nk, with condiments laid out like a firing range target , kim fucks head centered..
populace will get the message...

kill him and you get to eat...

Hey Blue Sardine, have you ever thought about dying of natural causes, since it's illegal for me to advocate suicide?

Rin says

Hey Blue Sardine, have you ever thought about dying of natural causes, since it's illegal for me to advocate suicide?

Does auto-erotic asphyxiation count as natural causes? Because I've got a bet on that in the dead pool.

It's a demonstration of efficiency and semi-entertaining to watch you draw quotes from one of your alt accounts...

Dan8267 says

Rin says

Hey Blue Sardine, have you ever thought about dying of natural causes, since it's illegal for me to advocate suicide?

Does auto-erotic asphyxiation count as natural causes? Because I've got a bet on that in the dead pool.

I'm sure that's funny in some other multi-verse...

Dan8267 says

Rin says

Is it a surprise that after almost ~70 years, someone else couldn't reproduce the same results?

I'm sure there's an app for that.

BlueSardine says

It's a demonstration of efficiency and semi-entertaining to watch you draw quotes from one of your alt accounts...

I have no alt accounts. I have never, ever posted on PatNet with any account but this one. Once more, you are caught in a lie.

BlueSardine says

I'm sure that's funny in some other multi-verse...

Your lack of humor is your problem, not anyone else's. Lack of humor is indicative of poor character.

Strategist says

The best solution is to nuke Pyongyang when they have a major event and we know the whole leadership of NK including that ugly brat will be there.
If I was President, I would do it.

How would this not start shooting immediately at the 10 millions people in Seoul? With traditional artillery?
How do you avoid China and Russia being pulled in starting WW3?
It's easy to talk tough when it's not your family under the bombs and you don't have to do the math.

Forcing china's hand is the only viable solution. If they cut off trade with nk, kims game is over.
So for starters, lets start grabbing some of those islands in the south china sea and start developing military bases on them.
Nothing will infuriate china more than that. It may force them to negotiate us out of there by cutting kim loose...

Heraclitusstudent says

Strategist says

The best solution is to nuke Pyongyang

Rin says

Dudes, the hydrogen bomb was invented in 1951.

Is it a surprise that after almost ~70 years, someone else couldn't reproduce the same results?

Exactly. NK is 70 years behind. They are no threat.

BlueSardine says

I just declared that your stupid statement is funny.....somewhere....and you say I lack humor?
Wow....you are really really stupid...

Someone with humor would have come up with a better put down. You're not even a creative troll.

Rin says

Isn't that almost akin to 'great minds think alike'?

Rin says

BTW, Blue Sardine, I do pray for your death. Really, your life is of no value.

You and Shrek's mom must be great minds.

nuclear physics isStrategist says

Generals know if they use a nuke against us they will be history. So all they have to do is give a couple of nukes to far away terrorist groups and hope it vaporizes New York. Any retaliation will fall on the terrorist groups who are just too eager to martyr themselves. And good luck finding out where the bomb came from after NY is vaporized.
The best prevention is to make sure unfriendly countries don't acquire nukes in the first place.

Read up on nuclear forensics. No luck is needed.

Any country that wants to spend the money to produce nuclear bombs will do so no matter what we do. short of massive nuclear strike which may or may not work. Simple fact.

It's not a putdown, it's an evidence based observation...
The fact you did not recognize this confirms my statement.

Dan8267 says

BlueSardine says

I just declared that your stupid statement is funny.....somewhere....and you say I lack humor?
Wow....you are really really stupid...

Someone with humor would have come up with a better put down

This is so bad, i'm just gonna assume you wrote it while boarding up your windows.

Dan8267 says

Rin says

Isn't that almost akin to 'great minds think alike'?

Rin says

BTW, Blue Sardine, I do pray for your death. Really, your life is of no value.

You and Shrek's mom must be great minds.

Which is why we are currently at 2:30 minutes to an ELE...
http://thebulletin.org/clock/2017
bob2356 says

Any country that wants to spend the money to produce nuclear bombs will do so no matter what we do. short of massive nuclear strike which may or may not work. Simple fact

Maybe this is why nobody in government gives a fuck how much debt we run up anymore...

BlueSardine says

Which is why we are currently at 2:30 minutes to an ELE...
http://thebulletin.org/clock/2017
bob2356 says

Any country that wants to spend the money to produce nuclear bombs will do so no matter what we do. short of massive nuclear strike which may or may not work. Simple fact

He's back at it again: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/09/14/north-korea-launches-missile-toward-japan/668305001/