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I'm curious as to why he was so popular, but never curious enough to look into it. Seems like another Failed Loser, whose 15 minutes of fame has come to an end.

Well we can't ignore that his popularity was quite limited until Berkeley happened.

He's worth $750k and the pins were set up for a 8 figure 2017 payout... until this pedophelia position went public.

Let's see if he recovers or if his 15min of fame is in fact up. This might not be an easy one to recover from.

errc says

I'm curious as to why he was so popular,

Because of the lefties and trigglypuff. He would have been a normal person with an opinion , but the crazy lefties turned him into some sort of folk hero.

errc says

I'm curious...

me 2 :)

I'm not a Milo fan but he's very smart and can do serious journalism, as became clear in Orlando following the Islamic violence last year. (The Mateen family murdered 50 infidels and injured 50 more at a bar in Orlando, and the FBI and administration seemed to cover up the Islamic connections, but Milo and others found them and Breitbart and others reported. Facts emerged also via the Canadian press, and Brazilian TV, but Breitbart was on scene and reported first.) I had never seen Milo's work before then, and had barely heard of Breitbart.

Milo seems to have become popular because (a) he's funny and (b) he says politically unfashionable things. He's both gay and anti-gay, so in the constrained logic of PC identity politics he can get away with saying anti-gay things that others aren't supposed to say. He's ethnically Jewish but actually Catholic, and advocates Vatican positions on marriage and other topics. I don't agree with him but I respected the serious reporting from Orlando and the Bill Maher interview made me laugh.

BTW, he's in trouble now because he said it's possible a 13yo could consent to sex. In America, 13yos have been legally allowed to get married, for example in 1957-58 Jerry Lee Lewis got married to a 13yo cousin once removed. We live in almost Orwellian times, where recent events can get buried and practically deleted from popular awareness though they remain on the Internet: a Ken Burns history of Thomas Jefferson omitted entirely the Barbary Wars, and Salon deleted articles by a pedophile perhaps to isolate and delete Milo.

I don't think he is anti-gay, he seems mostly anti-feminists and anti-islam.
This of course makes him a target of the would-be SJWs of the world.
The entire reason he is known is that (like Trump) he turned that to his advantage, as controversy only brings attention to what he is saying and many people find themselves agreeing with him.
He recently successfully demonstrated how illiberal the left has become, when a riot prevented him from giving a talk in Berkeley.

So in that line, there is seemingly no limit to what offensive thing he could say. That's until he starts defending pedophiles and realizes there is a fine line between making feminists look like hysteric and making everyone hysteric against him by defending evil.

Heraclitusstudent says

I don't think he is....

He is, nevertheless. For example, in addition to calling it a "horrifying...lifestyle choice," he opposes marriage equality.

Heraclitusstudent says

defending evil.

Tell that to the state of Louisiana. They licensed the most famous marriage example, in 1957-8. Same age as Milo was talking about. In other places, it remains a common age for marriage, and it was in Christendom for a long time; you can call them all evil if you want, but you can't genuinely isolate one "evil" villain for defending them, as Salon appears to have done.

It's pretty funny to me that he went out like that considering we have had this same conversation around here.

I don't think what happened in 1957 is a good yardstick for morality today. That's kind of like using law from 1840 to determine morality in 1900.

YesYNot says

I don't think what happened in 1957 is a good yardstick for morality today. That's kind of like using law from 1840 to determine morality in 1900.

How quickly must our morals change? Both my parents were alive in 1957

Makes it hard to keep track of what is right and "wrong "

Opinions change, I don't agree with firing. What appeals to anyone today, isn't same as 20 years ago.

Milo Yiannopoulos is a men's rights activist. That is why he was fired. Of course, it is illegal to fire feminists for being feminists, or even just for being incompetent.

So much for the Republicans and the right-wingers being less against men than the left.

justme says

Milo Yiannopoulos is a men's rights activist. That is why he was fired. Of course, it is illegal to fire feminists for being feminists, or even just for being incompetent.

So much for the Republicans and the right-wingers being less against men than the left.

Strange then that he had a book deal and a job at Breitbart a day or two ago whilst still being a 'men's rights activist.'

BayArea says

But it looks like he stood for some highly inappropriate and criminal positions l

His opinions were criminal, you say? What about the first amendment and the right to free speech? My opinion is that denying someone their free speech is criminal, and a civil rights violation

justme says

His opinions were criminal, you say? What about the first amendment and the right to free speech? My opinion is that denying someone their free speech is criminal.

Except they aren't. Simon & Schuster simply decided not to continue with the book deal.

Did any feminist ever lose a book deal for making a spectacle out of themselves at a public venue? I claim gender discrimination against Milo! He is gay, too, so he is a double-plus good victim.

BayArea says

... until this pedophelia position went public.

What is this rubbish? Milo cracked a joke about having, quote, "inappropriate contact" with a priest called father Michael when he was 16. How does that constitute taking a "pedophilia position"?

What a bitch-hunt. Breitbart are afraid of offending the evangelical right-wingers, so they threw Milo under the bus.

justme says

What is this rubbish? Milo cracked a joke about having, quote, "inappropriate contact" with a priest called father Michael when he was 16. How does that constitute taking a "pedophilia position"?

I believe he also said in the gay community it is not that uncommon for younger gay dudes coming out of the closet to date older gay dudes to learn the ropes so to speak. I don't believe he was talking about pre-pubescent children and has outed pedophiles during his career. You hear about how some pedophiles were sexually abused when they were young and perhaps caused their abusive behavior when they became adults - is it contagious? It is definitely a troublesome discussion.

errc says

I'm curious as to why he was so popular, but never curious enough to look into it. Seems like another Failed Loser, whose 15 minutes of fame has come to an end.

Liberals like to drag every debate down into the gutter where they reign King of filth. They smother every debate they are losing in it. That is why I often refer to the Liberal Filth it's their Jedi code.
Milo was in tune with that logic. He was well adapted to take the Liberals head on and keep them at bay so that important debates and conversations can happen. He was the buffer. And let me tell you.
The GOP needs Milo a hell of a lot more than the Milo needs the GOP.
He isn't running for office, most people that support him would never go to his shows. But even pole smokers have the right to speak even at the CPAC especially at the CPAC it would have been the most important speech since Andrew Breitbart's 2012 dog whistle gifting ceremony.
Who are they going to get to answer back to the Harvey Milk's and the Noam Chomski's and the faggidy assed Sal Alynsky's, when they're dragging the debate into the bowels of filth and other Marxist gay ass shit, Ted fucking Cruz? Or some other stupid ass Republican with votes to lose? I doubt it, they'll shut the fuck up and start prosecuting People for not baking cakes and not taking the Choo Choo train again.
Fuck these PC cretins!

justme says

Did any feminist ever lose a book deal for making a spectacle out of themselves at a public venue? I claim gender discrimination against Milo!

So you tell us, has any feminist made equivalent comments and not had a pending book release withdrawn? If you don't have an example, then what's your point?

Tenpoundbass says

faggidy assed Sal Alynsky's

TenPoundAss, you especially would love ABC's documentary "When We Rise", premiering on ABC Monday night at 9pm. Some of the characters in it sound just like you!

curious2 says

TenPoundAss, you especially would love

You FWIW I bet I could have a beer with Milo or you and we'd do just fine as long as we weren't talking about Sexual preferences or my opinons.
Where people put their thing is none of my business. But there's been a huge business the last decade or so to make my business. That's where I'm not on board.

As for the rape accusation, that's a different matter. If she made a false claim, then there should be consequences, but as far as I'm aware, she hasn't actually admitted to it.

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Why do you think there should be consequences? What law is she breaking?

Tenpoundbass says

could have a beer with Milo or you and we'd do just fine

I believe that, especially since we both like the Grateful Dead and voted for Nader in 2000.

Marriage equality became legal nationally less than two years ago. When Republicans quit fighting to take away people's marriages, the issue will fade from the news.

errc says

Why do you think there should be consequences? What law is she breaking?

It's obviously a very difficult area because not successfully prosecuting a rape allegation doesn't prove that it was false. However, if it is clearly proven as a malicious act (the allegation), I think there should be consequences.

curious2 says

Marriage equality became legal nationally less than two years ago. When Republicans quit fighting to take away people's marriages, the issue will fade from the news.

Just don't hold religious people hostage against their beliefs and perhaps there wont be a drive to repeal it. Liberals can't leave that itch alone.
You take the fringe of one extreme and you whack it against the fringe of the opposite extreme it will resonate and amplify until two bipolar extreme fringes are dictating politics.
it's been sickening, watching gays and zealots wrestle around on the ground one in a Speedo and the other going commando in a Monk Smock. And no body can look away.
Please we have eyeball fatigue make it stop. Go marry Frank and have a happy life, just don't hold Father Guido hostage at gun point to do the ceremony.

Does anyone have an exact quote of what Milo said that got him in trouble?

rando says

Does anyone have an exact quote of what Milo said that got him in trouble?

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman."

rando says

Does anyone have an exact quote of what Milo said that got him in trouble?

I will find it and post the transcript

Rashomon says

So you tell us, has any feminist made equivalent comments and not had a pending book release withdrawn? If you don't have an example, then what's your point?

Well there is the famous feminist Germaine Greer. Not only was her 2003 book publishing not cancelled, but the book in question was described by Greer herself as follows:

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beautiful_Boy

Greer has described the book as "full of pictures of 'ravishing' pre-adult boys with hairless chests, wide-apart legs and slim waists".

Further, there is this exchange during an interview:

Interviewer: Really, What attracts you to boys?
Greer: Oh, everything; sperm that runs like tap water will do

rando says

Does anyone have an exact quote of what Milo said that got him in trouble?

The Reagan Battalion video:

http://heavy.com/news/2017/02/milo-yiannopoulos-resigns-quits-breitbart-pedophilia-why-did-who-is-edtior-cpac-controversy/

justme says

Well there is the famous feminist Germaine Greer. Not only was her 2003 book publishing not cancelled, but the book in question was described by Greer herself as follows:

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Beautiful_Boy

Greer has described the book as "full of pictures of 'ravishing' pre-adult boys with hairless chests, wide-apart legs and slim waists".

Well, it was supposed to be a study of the history of boys in art, not about having sex with minors.

justme says

Further, there is this exchange during an interview:

Interviewer: Really, What attracts you to boys?

Greer: Oh, everything; sperm that runs like tap water will do

Yeah, rather difficult to comment on a couple of lines without context - that line might have just been a joke as far as anyone can tell from that.

Personally, I'm not especially bothered by Milo's comments. However, he is playing a very particular game to make himself some money, so presumably he knows very well how those sort of comments may play out, and yet he went ahead and said them. Hoisted with his own petard basically.

I only saw my first interview of him yesterday. I don't quite get the hype that this guy has. I don't get the love on the right and I don't get the hate on the left. The guy is just a tool who spouts off random talking points.

theoakman says

I don't get the love on the right

That's a stretch.

PCGyver says

BayArea says

theoakman says

I don't get the love on the right

That's a stretch

So are you saying the right are a bunch of in the closet homosexuals?

Wrong, left leaning grasshopper.

I'm saying the right doesn't exactly view Milo as their ambassador.

Breitbart is protecting their brand. The libs would seize on their employing an alleged endorser of pedophilia. I think next Amazon will stop selling music by The Smiths.

So they threw him under the bus.

Well, I guess Milo and PewDiePie now have four things in common.

Rashomon says

Yeah, rather difficult to comment on a couple of lines without context.

A direct question and a direct answer, a very explicitly sexual answer from Germaine Greer. And you demand more context? How crazy can you get? I think I need to repeat what Germaine Greer said:

Interviewer: Really, What attracts you to boys?
Greer: Oh, everything; sperm that runs like tap water will do

justme says

A direct question and a direct answer, a very explicitly sexual answer from Germaine Greer. And you demand more context? How crazy can you get? I think I need to repeat what Germaine Greer said:

Interviewer: Really, What attracts you to boys?

Greer: Oh, everything; sperm that runs like tap water will do

That's utterly ridiculous. How did she say it? What was the conversation just before/after that? Those are obviously extremely important. That response could just be an off the cuff jokey remark. Quite obviously the illocutionary force of the speaker is paramount here (as with what Milo said) and typing out 2 lines does not remotely give you that.

Take this example:
Interviewer: Justme, do you have sex with young boys?
Justme: Yeah, all the time.

Direct question, direct answer as you put it, so Justme is a paedo... except what was omitted from that transcript was nervous laughter/sarcasm/eye roll... and the following line:

Justme: No, no, obviously I don't.

Do you get my point? What she said may have been highly inappropriate. Conversely, it may not. The same for Milo, which is exactly why you need to hear the conversation, not read it in that way (or do you think that's how linguists transcribe discourse?).