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turtledove says

It makes sense that as the jobs went away fewer people would risk coming here illegally for non-existent jobs. However, how do they know this exactly? I didn't think illegals made it a habit to self report their presence... It's kind of risky. How would you compile the data? Is there a secret place where illegals can safely and officially report their illegal presence in our country without risking deportation?

Who could argue that Illegals don't rent any housing, therefore rents don't go up, therefore developers and investors are building to sell to native middle class/working class families, and their competition is driving the cost of housing down, or at least keeping it at the rate of inflation.

Bob, he meant "real" Americans.

zzyzzx says

Real Americans RUSH to get jobs......

Heh, heh, good one, Z-man. More like real "American mom" (of some southern hick chick) "Rushes" into her kid's basement room to beg her to try and get a fuckin' job. The next "real American" to think about it rushes to the "hope" he can pass the drug test.

No sweat, bro, I'll do it for ya, again: "It's all Obama's fault, folks. I'm being told, by some very smart, rich, beautiful people who are big, big, yuge really, fan's of mine, that Obama is the founder, the founder, the FOUNDER, of racism and white unemployment in America, believe me. Fixing this will be so simple for me, so simple, folks, believe me. So simple. It's sad, really, just so sad."

most illegals qualify for section 8 housing subsidized by US taxpayer.

bob2356 says

Will they be lining up when they take away the white trailer trash welfare?

YOU GET AN A.

A+++++++++.

if you keep kissing ass we might even get you a nice position as an adjunct. There is virtually endless money because every american is guaranteed a loan! we're even working on LOAN FORGIVENESS which will stick the debt to future generations of americans. we got cash money son!

http://therightstuff.biz/2015/09/13/all-those-white-people-on-food-stamps/

The Original Bankster says

most illegals qualify for section 8 housing subsidized by US taxpayer.

Really. How do they do that since illegals are ineligible for any federal aid?

bob2356 says

ineligible for any federal aid

are you really that dumb?

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Illegal-Immigrants-Welfare-American/2016/05/09/id/727875/

The Original Bankster says

bob2356 says

ineligible for any federal aid

are you really that dumb?

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Illegal-Immigrants-Welfare-American/2016/05/09/id/727875/

I was smart enough to actually read the study itself when it was done last year. The methodology is poor, and the numbers are very suspect. It's an anti immigration group so that is to be expected. I guess that's why they keep randomly intermixing different groups and numbers.

hmm ok this study is clearly less credible than bob2356

STOP EATING.

#fuckmexico

The Original Bankster says

Obligatory:

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/resources/video/news/legal-workers-line-restaurant-jobs-after-sheriff-joe-raids.html

Legal Workers Line Up for Restaurant Jobs After Sheriff Joe Raids

www.youtube.com/embed/Y34U07CxVm0

http://cis.org/SmithfieldImmigrationRaid-Unionization
Immigration Raids at Smithfield: How an ICE Enforcement Action Boosted Union Organizing and the Employment of American Workers

CIS is a good site. some of the other orgs are fake astroturf.

The Original Bankster says

HOW THE FUCK IS BREAKING OUR LAWS GOOD YOU ASS?

you dont like our laws? LEAVE.

Do you believe in the equality our constitution guarantees? I wish Nazi like you would leave.

We just had the highest print of job openings ever recorded in human history this year at 5,845,000

and construction jobs had a 33% year over year growth in job openings with the most hours worked every in U.S. history

and some still believe illegals are taking all the jobs

we call this the fallacy of logic

Hi Logan, there's 11 million US illegals, mostly concentrated In a hndful of states.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/19/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

They either work or collect welfare.

I've seen it first hand, I've seen the corrupt employer(who is still in business untouched by the Feds 10 years later) and I've seen the fake identities.

So there is that.

Fwiw I don't think anyone is arguing "they're taking our jobs", but rather their numbers are sufficient to create a housing crunch in some areas and also they drive down wages, both of which are probably correct.

zzyzzx says

http://cis.org/SmithfieldImmigrationRaid-Unionization

Immigration Raids at Smithfield: How an ICE Enforcement Action Boosted Union Organizing and the Employment of American Workers

I notice how CIS didn't mention that Smithfield was the one that called ICE because the illegals were joining the union. It was a failed play at union busting. The only reason Smithfield in Tar Heel has a union is a federal judge found Smithfield guilty of “intense and widespread coercion" in the 1997 union vote. They had a bitch of a time filling the jobs after the illegals left. Go check out Smithfield in Clinton, you will have no trouble finding plenty of illegals working there and no union. One of my close friends is a major hog and turkey producer in the area and I've heard all about smithfield and perdue practices for a long time.

That Joel Stein article should be mandatory reading here.

Logan Mohtashami says

We just had the highest print of job openings ever recorded in human history this year at 5,845,000

It's all Obama's fault!! The recovery, the stock market, the housing market is ALL A LIE!!!

#ALLaLIE

Logan Mohtashami says

we call this the fallacy of logic

The fallacy is assuming that they haven't held prices down because they are subsidized.

The Original Bankster says

STOP EATING.

The fat lady with the "dump trump" could be Mexican but she looks more like a Native American, maybe Pima, assuming this pic was taken in or around Phoenix or Tucson. Pima also has huge problem with obesity.

indigenous says

The fallacy is assuming that they haven't held prices down because they are subsidized.

We don't have deflation here in America

Plus we are a population of 323 million Americans

I mean in 2016 Crying about illegal immigrants when we have the highest job opening print the world has ever seen ... seems kind of whining

This is why I am all for

Federal Exchange websites

We put names and faces of people who say they want a job and then as a nation we find them jobs

If they don't work the U.S. government fines people who sit home all day and complain about jobs ( Trolling) isn't an occupation

I love that idea ... fining people ;-)

Strategist says

Do you believe in the equality our constitution guarantees?

our constitution does not grant rights to non americans

Logan Mohtashami says

I mean in 2016 Crying about illegal immigrants when we have the highest job opening print the world has ever seen ... seems kind of whining

A maturing economy doesn't treat (white) labor the way it did decades ago. But, no matter, everyone knows it not about real earnings; that would indict trickle down economics! It's about relative real earnings. The Trumpians are whinning because in the recovery they slipped a rung or two closer to black and brown: That's UNFORGIVEABLE!!

What good are Republicans if they don't save the good jobs for REAL AMERICANS????

Logan Mohtashami says

This is why I am all for

Federal Exchange websites

We put names and faces of people who say they want a job and then as a nation we find them jobs

If they don't work the U.S. government fines people who sit home all day and complain about jobs ( Trolling) isn't an occupation

I love that idea ... fining people ;-)

"Why do you hate freedom?" The Duck Dynasty southern United States gets by by huntin' and fishin' and muddin' and pickin' up the welfare check afore the blacks get thers. "You ain't gonna take our draw!!" I loved "Justified".

neplusultra57 says

"Why do you hate freedom?

The website would destroy the myth that 90+ million Americans are out of work.

Names and faces ... It would cause a riot ... especially from women who don't work and makes young males who aren't working look terrible

Laws of math are simple

unemployment claims at 43 year lows

job openings at the highest levels ever in the history of the world

... 70 straight months of job gains... longest ever on record

It's year 8 of the cycle ... if you're not working by now after 8 years and you're complaining about 90 million Americans out of work ( cough cough)

Lets put your name and face on a website and do federal intervention so you can work

This will shut the Zero Brain Hedge people up once and for all

Only if I could...

Logan,

youre a popularity begging faggot

anyone who listens to you is going to be misled

The Original Bankster says

,

The Original Bankster says

youre

The Original Bankster says

Logan,

youre a popularity begging faggot

anyone who listens to you is going to be misled

ha ha ha
With your Nazi like remarks, anyone that listens to you will be a loser.

Logan Mohtashami says

It's year 8 of the cycle ... if you're not working by now after 8 years and you're complaining about 90 million Americans out of work ( cough cough)

Lets put your name and face on a website and do federal intervention so you can work

This will shut the Zero Brain Hedge people up once and for all

Only if I could...

The alt-right Breitbartians would go full SJW! The world would know their base is a bunch of pipe-hitting losers. They'd learn the need to spell ... beginning with "privacy", tyranny-of-the-majority triggered into their safe-place Constitutional meltdown reactionary bomb-throwing diatribe. I would contribute funding, Logan. Let's start the crowd-funding and see if we can get the southern states to finally secede.

neplusultra57 says

Let's start the crowd-funding and see if we can get the southern states to finally secede.

Wait, we need a place to dump toxic waste...

neplusultra57 says

Breitbartians

This is why we should have free college to prevent this madness

Science and Math matter

Logan Mohtashami says

We don't have deflation here in America

Sure we do:

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I don't believe this chart is inflation adjusted either.

I would guess that part of the reason the Mexicans are staying Mexico is the wages are getting better in Mexico.

http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/SMS06000002000000001?data_tool=XGtable

indigenous says

I don't believe this chart is inflation adjusted either.

The only deflation that happened came at the peak of the Great Recession in pricing and then we saw a big rebound

Logan Mohtashami says

Science and Math matter

Says the statistician...

indigenous says

Logan Mohtashami says

We don't have deflation here in America

Sure we do:

I don't think we have inflation or deflation. The damn economy is moving too slowly.

Outsourcing allowed by Democratic & Republican slime voters have sent jobs to Communist China
leaving Americans unemployed & unable to buy shacks.

Immigrants aren't the enemy. Some know who the enemy is.

I do enjoy throwing up COMMUNISM to all the hypocrites with all their imported products.

Low wages and high rents create Prosperity and Permanent Neverending Highs like in most 3rd world countries.
High Wages and cheap housing costs create anarchy, decay, and cats and dogs raining from the heavens, just like it did in the 50s and 60s.

Logan Mohtashami says

The only deflation that happened came at the peak of the Great Recession in pricing and then we saw a big rebound

According to that chart there has been deflation in labor.

Paper Mill that had illegal aliens gets raided, American line up for jobs:
www.youtube.com/embed/AnUOokUdwD0