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that would be hard to do

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Now that's an interesting idea. Because they are the clear instigators,

That's a great idea Patrick. I'd be a support of this. However, I'm getting a Tesla so it's a mute point for me just in a matter of time.

You'd have to stop using the US dollar too for that scheme to be effective because the dollar is based on Saudi Arabia's agreement to price and sell oil only in dollars.
We are in deeper than you think
https://smaulgld.com/why-saudi-arabia-matters-in-helping-to-keep-the-u-s-dollar-as-the-worlds-reserve-currency/

Also very hard to do as gas is fungible with other gas - unscrupulous or unknowing dealers would charge more for saudi free gas

The concept seems to work with "blood diamonds" but diamonds are unique and not an everyday purchase

Even if it were possible the US wouldnt allow it see above

indigenous says

that would be hard to do

No it wouldn't. Make it the impetus of the investors to make sure and have documented where the Oil they buy comes from, and where it was sold to and refined.
Make them earn their money and weed out the shit snapping little Chiuaua's who do nothing for the industry but increase the price of Gas.
Work mother fuckers!

Not really.
Gold pan your gas as you fill up, looking for arabic colored sand granules...

indigenous says

that would be hard to do

Assume all crude oil comes from Saudi Arabia. Because every extra gallon we use has to be imported from terrorists.

Tenpoundbass says

No it wouldn't. Make it the impetus of the investors to make sure and have documented where the Oil

Yea just what we need another fucking government agency with a pretend job. Look how well that has worked with the department of energy, whose sole mission was to alleviate US dependence on foreign oil...

How much do the gas stations know about the gas they receive? Seems like there should be a way to research this on an individual basis. Definitely don't want to create another law to do it, unless you like flushing money down the toilet...

Personally I won't buy at Arco since the BP incident. Interestingly enough, I noticed recently driving by an Arco station they seem to have remove the BP reference from their logo. Guess I'm no the only one who remembers.

Come on folks, it ain't too hard to abandon almost all oil consumption these days (barring special occasions). I did it over a decade ago around the time of Gulf II by using biodiesel and a VW Golf TDI. In the People's Republic of Californistan, Propel Fuels now sells their second generation renewable diesel all over the state. Their HPR (high performance renewable) Diesel is a drop in replacement for D2; it can be used in any diesel vehicle. HPRDiesel uses animal and plant based feedstocks (with natural gas as a source for hydrogen in the hydrotreating process).
Currently, I'm looking at used C-Max Energis (plugins) and they go for less than $20k. Time to claim your 30% federal tax credit for solar before it goes away.

anonymous says

You may still be helping out BP with or without your knowledge - you might even be using Arco.

Yes, and buying anything from Walmart supports slave labor. If you abstract out far enough no one is ever accomplishing anything by boycotting as a majority of all income consolidates in the hands of less than 100 companies worldwide. But I think some like Patrick, and myself, would say "You have to start somewhere".

Iron Dude, The topic is Gas Pumps. And I'm talking about taking responsibility for things that I can control. Sigh...
So, you live in the dark without electricity?
Are you serious? According to the EIA, petroleum is used for only 1% of electricity generation in the US. Welcome to the 21st century.

Edit: So why the focus on the pumps? Because, according to the EIA in 2013, nearly three-fourths of total U.S. petroleum consumption was in the transportation sector.

indigenous says

Yea just what we need another fucking government agency with a pretend job.

We need to start looking at the ROI for government agencies, do they benefit our over all economic health. In most cases I would champion I would say yes.
When it comes to beating back rent seekers exploiting weaknesses in the system. Either close those exploits, or put up a gate keeper.

Look for sand fleas on the cashiers turban...
NuttBoxer says

How much do the gas stations know about the gas they receive

I'm using less gasoline lately, since I bought a hybrid for longer trips and my daily commute. That's probably the most effective way to stick it to SA, because oil is a globally traded commodity. If SA doesn't sell at all to the US it would still be fine because the oil market is vast and only expanding as more and more countries develop.
So use less gas if you wanna stick it to them. The US has actually decreased gasoline usage by about 10% in the past decade, which is remarkable!

Irony asked: Oil consumption is only used in gasoline?
It's quite clear I was talking about personal transport; hence my qualification barring special occasions. Those occasions would be air travel. BTW, Neste (Propel's supplier) is working with Boeing on renewable aviation fuel.
We are slowly moving away from petrochemicals for industrial uses, but are a long we off from weening ourselves from fossil fuels. The EIA says: About 76% of the 6.97 billion barrels of petroleum products that were consumed in the United States in 2014 were gasoline (47% of total petroleum consumption; includes biofuels), heating oil and diesel fuel (21%), and jet fuel (8%). Meanwhile, Ironman continues his voluntary contributions to the Saudis.

Ironman said: Do you just pretend to be an asshole on Patnet, or does it come naturally for you?
Sigh. There are alternatives, you just need to look for them. And yes, we all send petrodollars to our "friends" overseas.

The DuckMobile is another alternative; it runs on domestically produced natural gas.

Just get a Chevy Volt and reduce your gasoline usage to next to nothing.

Just filler it up with anything not coming from those F****n M****m B******s

Ironicman said: You do know we import more natural gas than we export, right?
Quit while you're ahead. What is your point? That we're propping up a socialist state to our north and undermining democracy?

Quigley says

The US has actually decreased gasoline usage by about 10% in the past decade, which is remarkable!

Part of it is hybrids. Part of it might be due to the economy, and also an upper limit being reached on how many cars can commute in to major metro areas for work. And of course the older cars with bad mileage are all retired by now.

But I think the biggest factor is that large SUVs are out of fashion. Hell, even right wingers get it by now, if not for the environment, than simply because of the cost of operating it, and how often do you need that much vehicle ? It's been ages since I've seen a Humvee.

The car based SUV are still huge, though, and probably always will be.