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Democrat thrown in Jail for refusing to issue a gay marriage license.


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2015 Sep 3, 1:19pm   28,063 views  60 comments

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http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/politics/kentucky-clerk-same-sex-marriage-kim-davis/

This is the America we live in now.

Yet when elected officials in San Francisco refuse to follow the law on sanctuary cities which actually results in people being killed, they aren't even fined.

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1   Tenpoundbass   2015 Sep 3, 1:28pm  

America land of the Exceptional rights.

So long Liberals it's been real but not real fun.

Even my Dog hates Liberals and just the mere mention of Democrats, sends my cats scurrying to hide under the floor boards.
I don't want to say that Democrats are bad, no really not at all! They are really really really fucking bad, just terrible!
Trump on the other hand is awesome and will make America great, so who will you support next year, the loser Liberals or a ginormous winner like Donald Trump?
Trick question, Trump doesn't need your opinion.

2   HydroCabron   2015 Sep 3, 2:16pm  

Mr Happygoluckofus says

Even my Dog hates Liberals and just the mere mention of Democrats, sends my cats scurrying to hide under the floor boards.

I don't want to say that Democrats are bad, no really not at all! They are really really really fucking bad, just terrible!

Mr Happygoluckofus says

I bet I not only understand more groups of people than most, but I respect them more as well.

3   Tenpoundbass   2015 Sep 3, 2:50pm  

My hatred come from my deep respect of understanding what a first class prick Liberals are.

4   HydroCabron   2015 Sep 3, 3:42pm  

socal2 says

elected officials in San Francisco refuse to follow the law on sanctuary cities

What law?

There is no federal mandate for local officials to investigate the immigration status of everyone they handle, and cooperate with immigration authorities.

(I don't particularly like this, but it's the truth.)

This sounds to me like states' rights - that thing I hear so much about from conservatives, who are deeply constitutional - indeed, far more constitutional than anyone else.

Should the federal government desire to mandate such cooperation, they should fund that mandate, as I am reliably informed by constitutional conservatives (sound of violin playing - remove glasses and dab at eyes before proceeding) that unfunded mandates are equivalent to raping Liberty and wiping oneself off with the flag afterwards.

Why are you opposed to local control?

5   socal2   2015 Sep 3, 3:54pm  

HydroCabron says

Why are you opposed to local control?

Because illegal immigration affects us all. If California doesn't secure their border with Mexico or cooperate with Federal Immigration laws and allows illegal aliens with criminal histories free to travel to other States to murder people - that is bigger than a State's rights issue.

Another example of Democrat politicians breaking the law without getting thrown in jail (or even fined) is when Gavin Newsome started issuing marriage licenses to gay couples against State and Federal law. Another example is when Governor Brown wouldn't enforce or defend Proposition 8.

But in today's America, a Democrat woman serving as a clerk in Kentucky can be thrown in jail for having the same views of gay marriage that Obama and Hillary had a few years ago.

6   Ceffer   2015 Sep 3, 3:56pm  

She did issue them a license to be Jesus loathing buggers. Maybe she couldn't tell the difference.

7   lostand confused   2015 Sep 3, 4:07pm  

me thinks the 4 time married democrat is just worried her pool of future husbands will dwindle if gay marriage is allowed. If you are in contempt of court-what do you expect. Maybe next time she will demand the right to be married to all 4 husbands at the same time-so she can have a writhing orgy in the name of jesus every night?

8   HydroCabron   2015 Sep 3, 4:14pm  

socal2 says

Because illegal immigration affects us all

But the Constitution is sacred, not some Kumbaya "living document'. States' rights!

People who sacrifice liberty for safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Why do you spit on the grave of Ben Franklin?

9   RWSGFY   2015 Sep 3, 4:21pm  

Good. Serves her right for being a Democrat. She brought it on herself by voting D.

10   HEY YOU   2015 Sep 3, 4:34pm  

Religious fanatics on the left or right are idiots on opposite sides of the same coin.
Divorced because of adultery in each marriage?
Married.divorced,married,divorced ,married divorced married Adultress?
Swine eater? Unclean Adultress?

The America we live in is one where Rep/Con/Teas murder American servicemen based on a lie.
Wonder if any that died in liar's Wars were children of Warmongering Rightwingnuts?
They can always visit their children's graves.

11   Ceffer   2015 Sep 3, 4:45pm  

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

She was tired of IHLs showing up and shouting, "We're in LOVE! SMELL MY FACE!" and demanding a license for unnatural acts.

She couldn't stand them rolling around in rank, slavering, convulsing sodomy in front of her celebrating the license, their fibrillating tongues wrapping around each other's snouts and snatches.

12   David9   2015 Sep 3, 4:56pm  

Now I know why the word IDIOT is used here on the Patrick.net.

Democrat Thrown in Jail?

Conservative IGNORANT SLUT thrown in Jail !

A few quotes from people who have a brain and can think.

"Lovely words, but also nonsense. Davis is not supporting religious freedom. By using her power as county clerk to force her religious views on gay couples, she is denying them their religious freedom. What she is doing is about as straightforward as religious oppression gets."

"The Constitution is the governing power in Kim Davis’ office, and she is bound by oath to adhere to the law. She is breaking that oath, defying the Constitution, abusing her authority, and insisting that she suffer no consequences for her behavior."

"Davis’ illegal and morally dubious stand against gay marriage does appeal, however, to the slice of the conservative movement that is hell bent on restoring the good old days of godly virtue when you had the state’s blessing to discriminate against gay people."

"Kim Davis, Apostolic Christian and Rowan County, Kentucky Clerk, is an adulteress and a hypocrite, at least by the Bible’s standards. Yet she feels justified to sit on what she thinks is her lofty perch and pass judgment upon everyone who wants to exercise their legal right to obtain a marriage license. She couldn’t care less that she is defying federal law. All these vicious actions are fueled by her sense of superiority, which is actually hate and ignorance couched in sanctimony."

"The worst part of this practice is that most of the time, it is done by people with little to no understanding of the societal and social mores of the time the book was written, or dictated, or plagiarized – whatever. They refuse to realize that the Bible has been through so many translations and revision, for a number of reasons, ranging from the misogynistic, militaristic, political, and financial, etc. that it cannot be construed by any educated person as the literal, verbatim word of God. Cherry-picking the Bible has become a favorite past-time of right-wing extremists and the uneducated, hypocritical, ill-willed, ultra -Christians who think it is their right to impose their perverted, bastardized interpretation of religion on everyone else."

"Will God give Kim Davis the strength to stop using a government office to carry out a private vendetta? Or will she be led by the spirit to see that a woman who’s been married four times is the moral authority that nobody asked for?
We can only pray that Kim Davis will be sent to the unemployment line."

"Kentucky Clerk Fighting Gay Marriage Has Wed Four Times
A fellow gay marriage-resisting county clerk says 'that's forgivable.'"

IDIOTS !

13   lostand confused   2015 Sep 3, 5:01pm  

The thing is these are the reasons why the far leftie loons became so powerful. back then the righties genuinely oppressed folks who did not confirm to their view society and if you go far back-actually fought for the right to own fellow humans as slaves/chattel/property. Women were not allowed to own property, Chinese were not allowed to own property etc. The reform movement came from that and now the reform movement has become the oppressor-the abused becoming the abuser-though as usual it is always people who are innocent bearing the brunt.

14   socal2   2015 Sep 3, 5:46pm  

David9 says

Now I know why the word IDIOT is used here on the Patrick.net.

Democrat Thrown in Jail?

Conservative IGNORANT SLUT thrown in Jail !

She's not only a Democrat, she is an ELECTED Democrat.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/02/436893283/heres-what-we-know-about-the-ky-clerk-refusing-gay-marriage-licenses

I think this woman should lose her job cause the law is the law. But WTF? She's thrown into fucking jail over this? For real?

15   David9   2015 Sep 3, 5:54pm  

socal2 says

ELECTED Democrat.

I apologize then if she is an elected Democrat.

I am so used to 'You Liberals' here on this site it looks like I misunderstood.

But I still think she is a Conservation Ignorant Slut and yes, she is not a Walmart employee, she is an elected official who took an oath and her ass belongs in jail.

Her? a Democrat? WTF? Life can be strange.

16   mell   2015 Sep 3, 5:59pm  

socal2 says

I think this woman should lose her job cause the law is the law. But WTF? She's thrown into fucking jail over this? For real?

Agreed. The pilgrims that founded this country in the name of religious freedom would likely be weeping at the irony.

17   David9   2015 Sep 3, 6:03pm  

mell says

Agreed. The pilgrims that founded this country in the name of religious freedom would likely be weeping at the irony.

Did you not read my quotes I listed?

Her very actions are denying religious freedom.

18   mell   2015 Sep 3, 6:12pm  

David9 says

mell says

Agreed. The pilgrims that founded this country in the name of religious freedom would likely be weeping at the irony.

Did you not read my quotes I listed?

Her very actions are denying religious freedom.

No they are not. You don't have the "religious" freedom to government-sponsored - i.e. secular - marriage. What you have is the - now - law guaranteeing you a secular marriage backed by the law (alimony, divorce, taxes, visitors right's etc.), hence they can fire her and simply let somebody else issue the license. You have the religious freedom to marry at the church of your choice, whatever that church is. If she's "unfit" for her job for whatever reason, let her go. Putting her in contempt and into prison is bullshit, though by law justifiable.

19   mell   2015 Sep 3, 6:22pm  

David9 says

Conservative IGNORANT SLUT thrown in Jail !

We can feel the gloating through the interweb that some old-fashioned (hypocritical, bigoted blah blah) woman is held in jail for having beliefs that don't fit into this millenium. I'm sure that will go a long way in fighting all the daily violent crimes against humanity.

20   David9   2015 Sep 3, 6:26pm  

mell says

No they are not.

Yes, I think her actions are denying religious freedom. 'Secular', "denoting attitudes, activities, or other things that have no religious or spiritual basis."
Choosing not to have an organized religion is a freedom, the same as Muslim, Buddhist, Protestant, or Catholic.

mell says

hence they can fire her

Maybe it's me, but what does her job have to do with religion or religious freedom?

mell says

church of your choice

I believe it is possible to get married outside of a Church. They did it in the Movie 'Sex and the City' LOL.

mell says

though by law justifiable

I work with Government Contracts, not 'directly' (Personal information). There are things where if I did them, My Ass is going to the Slammer. I was not elected nor did I take an oath.

21   lostand confused   2015 Sep 3, 6:28pm  

mell says

If she's "unfit" for her job for whatever reason, let her go. Putting her in contempt and into prison is bullshit, though by law justifiable.

You can't . She is elected. She has a job to do-that she is refusing to do. Contempt is the only option left-maybe she might meet her 5th "husband" there-an immense hirsute lesbian.

You are twisting religious freedom. She can quit and practice her religious freedom-but she is imposing her belief onto others and claiming God's authority is greater than the court/constitution-that is not libertarianism-but total right wing beleifs.

22   David9   2015 Sep 3, 6:37pm  

If I may, I am sure a news article can be easily found regarding this subject.

'They' did already give her special treatment. Ok, fine, you do not have to sign the license, but someone else does.

She refused ! And still instructed her subordinates to not issue Marriage licenses !

Rot in Jail, Bitch.

23   mell   2015 Sep 3, 6:48pm  

lostand confused says

You can't . She is elected. She has a job to do-that she is refusing to do. Contempt is the only option left-maybe she might meet her 5th "husband" there-an immense hirsute lesbian.

You are twisting religious freedom. She can quit and practice her religious freedom-but she is imposing her belief onto others and claiming God's authority is greater than the court/constitution-that is not libertarianism-but total right wing beleifs.

Yeah, that's a conundrum if she's not quitting by herself, so here's a good change of the law, make he fire-able, saves lots of money to the taxpayer. She is not imposing anything if people are free to marry by law anyways with other clerks (if you leave out the technicality about her not being able to be fired), she is just strongly signaling she doesn't want to work there anymore ;) The libertarian approach is to only have civil unions for everybody regardless of number (polygamy), race, gender, orientation etc. with self-designed contracts and leave the marriage to their respective churches of their faith. Less laws = good.

David9 says

I work with Government Contracts, not 'directly' (Personal information). There are things where if I did them, My Ass is going to the Slammer. I was not elected nor did I take an oath.

Yeah, agreed. But there is always leeway wrt enforcement and prosecution. I am all for the rule of law (though I would change that law in that case and simply have her fired), but while it has de facto been abolished it is exercised with full punitive force against a few scapegoats that are shunned by society anyways. Now we can all feel better.

David9 says

I believe it is possible to get married outside of a Church. They did it in the Movie 'Sex and the City' LOL.

And I believe that's the problem and wrong ;) Secular, government-sponsored marriage is de-facto discrimination, no matter how you extend and change it. It is a form of "positive" discrimination which people debate whether the government can and should use or not. IMO you cannot advocate this sort of positive discrimination in general, but then make it illegal when it suits the mainstream (for example forcing the government to open it to same-sex couples). The reason why governments sponsor(ed) marriages is to encourage stable family units and breeding so we have able taxpayers of tomorrow - whether one may disagree with that or not.

24   lostand confused   2015 Sep 3, 6:56pm  

mell says

She is not imposing anything if people are free to marry by law anyways with other clerks (if you leave out the technicality about her not being able to be fired), she is just strongly signaling she doesn't want to work there anymore ;) T

Well actually, in her case as clerk she has to sign off or she has to authorize her deputies to sign. She is refusing both options-effusing to do it herself or authorize her deputies to be signatories. So she is using the law and he ropponents are using the alw.

But yeah, methinks marriage should be a contract between individuals in whatever combination-as long as said individuals are adults. They should get to decide what si reasonable alimony/child support etc and maybe have those entered int he court clerk say every 5 years-so there is no he said/she said. The gubmnt should stay out of it and only step in when basic needs are not being met-starvation, hunger and such.

25   David9   2015 Sep 3, 6:59pm  

mell says

full punitive force against a few scapegoats that are shunned by society anyways

I don't think of Martha Stewart as being on the edge, fringe of society.

mell says

whether one may disagree with that or not.

Okay. We are all entitled to our beliefs and opinions.

I, however, think this is the real problem, again, another news quote:

"Just because this evil witch, who I have named Cunt- Face Kim Davis is off to jail for harassing the gay community while being paid on the job by the government, her case represents the much larger problem that bigots and alive and well and will go to great lengths to obey the voices in their head, god."

26   zzyzzx   2015 Sep 3, 7:19pm  

Whatever happened to firing people who didn't do their job?

27   zzyzzx   2015 Sep 3, 7:20pm  

socal2 says

Yet when elected officials in San Francisco refuse to follow the law on sanctuary cities which actually results in people being killed, they aren't even fined.

They should be jailed as accessory to murder.

28   David9   2015 Sep 3, 7:26pm  

zzyzzx says

Whatever happened to firing people who didn't do their job?

Hi, from a NBC new article:

"As an elected official, she can only be removed in a vote by state legislators, who don't reconvene in the State House until January. "

I never said Government was perfect !

29   mell   2015 Sep 3, 7:29pm  

David9 says

I don't think of Martha Stewart as being on the edge, fringe of society.

She was nailed as an example, he punishment was way too harsh while others get scot free for doing similar shenanigans on a daily basis (and members of congress do it legally!). I actually felt sorry for her.

David9 says

I, however, think this is the real problem, again, another news quote:

"Just because this evil witch, who I have named Cunt- Face Kim Davis is off to jail for harassing the gay community while being paid on the job by the government, her case represents the much larger problem that bigots and alive and well and will go to great lengths to obey the voices in their head, god."

When you look at past great civilizations, they were usually rooted in one main core belief that most people adhered to and mostly homogenous. I understand what is postulated, but I seriously doubt that an entirely non-homogeneous, non-believing society will be judged any better by history. People love and need belief systems, without a religious code they will turn to other "waves" of hivemind-thinking as you can observe in 2nd and 3rd wave feminism and pc social justice warrioring and whatnot which is currently more threatening to a free society in the US than any religion. Milo Yannopolous (who is gay but not leftist/progressive) said it somewhat like this: "Religion is bad, but without religion we will have pc social justice warriors which is worse". Tongue-in-cheek, but this statement bears much truth IMO.

30   mell   2015 Sep 3, 7:34pm  

zzyzzx says

socal2 says

Yet when elected officials in San Francisco refuse to follow the law on sanctuary cities which actually results in people being killed, they aren't even fined.

They should be jailed as accessory to murder.

Agreed. Though since they are not prosecuted they must have some technicality in the law they can hide behind.

31   David9   2015 Sep 3, 7:36pm  

mell says

"Religion is bad, but without religion we will have pc social justice warriors which is worse".

I agree.

"Dan Savage: Thrice-Divorced Kim Davis Is A 'Hypocrite,' Just 'Waiting To Cash In'"

I expect to see her on the Sarah Palin circuit. She will never have to take the fee and stamp the Marriage certificate again.

32   Ceffer   2015 Sep 3, 11:58pm  

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

DAVIS is going to be testifying all over the place, describing in searing, twisted detail gays leaping through he windows and bum blasting each other shrieking HAIL SATAN in the clerk's office!

Don't be so politically insensitive. Gays don't jump through windows.

33   Ceffer   2015 Sep 4, 7:38am  

I can hardly wait for the book: "I Survived Immense Hirsute Lesbian Holocaust, Jesus Saved Me"

34   elliemae   2015 Sep 4, 8:55am  

She's a Democrat - big deal. She's an Asshole who refuses to uphold the laws she was elected to follow. There also appears to be some nepotism, as the clerk who abstained from issuing licenses is her son?

They need to hold a recall election and elect someone who will follow the law. Davis is breaking the law and damaging lives, and should be treated the same as a drug dealer or someone who commits a violent crime. She is hurting people who are trying to follow the law.

Elliemae's theme for the day: I blame Obama. :)

35   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2015 Sep 4, 9:00am  

What's the fucking big deal. If the law says she goes in jail, put her in there. She didn't go to jail b/c she refused to give a marriage license. She had plenty of options for avoiding jail if she didn't want to martyr herself.

36   elliemae   2015 Sep 4, 9:09am  

yes, ynot.

37   HydroCabron   2015 Sep 4, 9:21am  

Since all the slippery slope arguments about "What's to prevent sheep marriage?" are floating around, I'd like to ask crazed Christian extremists if they're comfortable being told by a Muslim DMV employee that women will not be given driver's licenses, in keeping with Wahhabism and Sharia Law.

38   socal2   2015 Sep 4, 10:51am  

HydroCabron says

if they're comfortable being told by a Muslim DMV employee that women will not be given driver's licenses, in keeping with Wahhabism and Sharia Law.

The Muslim should lose their job or be reassigned to a position that doesn't conflict with her religious beliefs. Not thrown in jail. I had a Muslim that worked for my team who we had to reassign to another task because he prayed 5 times a day and couldn't work in the field.

Besides, your analogy is not apt since women have been allowed to drive as long as there have been cars. Gay marriage has only been legal nationwide for a few months and many prominent Democrats like Obama and Hillary were publicly against gay marriage (for the same reasons as "crazed Christians" and this Democrat official in Kentucky) a couple years ago.

Gay marriage is a NEW THING for civilization.

Charitable people on the LGBT side of the argument should expect that there is going to be some cases like this in Kentucky for a little while and not try to collect scalps. They risk pissing away alot of the good will they have quickly accumulated over the last decade thanks to non-stop programming by our media where Americans are clueless thinking fully a quarter of the population is gay.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/americans-have-no-idea-how-few-gay-people-there-are/257753/

In reality, we have 2-4% of the population that is born or conditioned to be attracted emotionally and physically to the same sex. And a smaller percentage of gays who want to get married and stay in a monogamous relationship.........let alone adopt and raise kids. We should show gay people tolerance and love, but we shouldn't be celebrating their condition as being ideal or even equal when it comes to raising families.......which used to be the main reason behind the institution of marriage (at least in terms of the interest of the State).

39   mell   2015 Sep 4, 10:56am  

socal2 says

Besides, your analogy is not apt since women have been allowed to drive as long as there have been cars.

Yep. Furthermore government-sponsored marriage is not a right, but a positive discrimination privilege given by the government. Bearing arms or operating vehicles are rights preceding any government. The current legal issue wrt contempt though remains if she doesn't quit by herself.

40   FNWGMOBDVZXDNW   2015 Sep 4, 11:16am  

socal2 says

We should show gay people tolerance and love, but we shouldn't be celebrating their condition as being ideal or even equal when it comes to raising families.......which used to be the main reason behind the institution of marriage (at least in terms of the interest of the State).

Separate, but unequal. Tolerate them and show them some love, but not as equals - more like the way you would love your dog or even a slave if that were still allowed. Yes, that sounds about right.

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