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Freedom to Offend

By Patrick following x   2015 Feb 9, 7:43am 402,562 views   539 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


Patrick.net is a mostly-unmoderated anonymous forum where the fundamental human right to offend is protected. Freedom of speech is nothing but the freedom to offend. Speech which offends no one needs no protection because it will not be censored. Controversial ideas are inevitably offensive to someone and therefore need protection from censorship.

As MisterLearnToCode says:
We can't ban offensive speech because then we'd be at the mercy of the most easily offended; the lowest common denominator, and wouldn't be able to discuss jack shit.

I especially want to people to have a place to say things they cannot say in person because of family or work or school pressure to conform to the politically correct opinions in their area.

If you are expressing a sincerely held point of view with good will, your comments and posts are very welcome here. If your point of view is "offensive" to others, that is excellent! Enjoy your freedom here. Please try to keep it about ideas and not about people.

Do not attack other users or the site itself. Personal attacks solve nothing. The merit of a person is not important, only the merit of ideas.

If you don't like the site, go somewhere else. This site cost you nothing, was a lot of work for me, and doesn't even have advertising.

I often get requests to block "bad" people from the site, but don't believe that anyone is entirely bad or entirely good, only that the amount of each fluctuates over time.

If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

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481   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Mar 16, 8:20am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MAGA_BOMBER says
offending is no great accomplishment, Offensive speech isolates people and undermines relationships permanently because all relationships are based on respect.


No one expects everything we say to be an accomplishment. Anything and everything is offensive, restricting speech based on how it offends someone is tyranny.
482   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 Mar 16, 11:03am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Right, so if you say "Men and Women are fundamentally different." or "Humans have only has two sexes", there are a substantial number of people who claim that is Hate Speech.

This is why studies that showed that there were differences between boys and girls during gestation in the womb when culture cannot be a factor, they had to put in all kinds of soothing words and caveats and "please don't hit me" type language when they released it.
483   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Mar 16, 11:08am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yes, and even worse than that, actual scientific research has been excised from journals because some found objective facts to be offensive.

For example, the research paper showing greater male variability across most species.

https://quillette.com/2018/09/07/academic-activists-send-a-published-paper-down-the-memory-hole/

First, the National Science Foundation wrote to Sergei requesting that acknowledgment of NSF funding be removed from our paper with immediate effect. I was astonished. I had never before heard of the NSF requesting removal of acknowledgement of funding for any reason. On the contrary, they are usually delighted to have public recognition of their support for science. ...

ut, that same day, the Mathematical Intelligencer’s editor-in-chief Marjorie Senechal notified us that, with “deep regret,” she was rescinding her previous acceptance of our paper. “Several colleagues,” she wrote, had warned her that publication would provoke “extremely strong reactions” and there existed a “very real possibility that the right-wing media may pick this up and hype it internationally.” For the second time in a single day I was left flabbergasted. Working mathematicians are usually thrilled if even five people in the world read our latest article. Now some progressive faction was worried that a fairly straightforward logical argument about male variability might encourage the conservative press to actually read and cite a science paper?
484   AD   ignore (0)   2019 Mar 16, 11:24am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

MisterLearnToCode says
This is why studies that showed that there were differences between boys and girls during gestation in the womb when culture cannot be a factor, they had to put in all kinds of soothing words and caveats and "please don't hit me" type language when they released it.


485   Elgatouno   ignore (3)   2019 Mar 17, 6:53am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anti_forum
486   rocketjoe79   ignore (0)   2019 Mar 19, 11:01pm   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

It's the same regarding IQ testing. I keep reminding people that 49% are below average, but no one believes me....
487   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2019 Mar 25, 1:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anti_forum
488   MrMagic   ignore (11)   2019 Mar 26, 9:25pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

anti_forum
489   Goran_K   ignore (2)   2019 Apr 11, 8:30am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@Patrick, is there a way to submit entire threads into the queue? Right now, HEYYOU is on a spamming rage, perhaps there should be a way to prevent someone like him from just spamming threads?
490   Elgatouno   ignore (3)   2019 Apr 11, 8:32am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
@Patrick, is there a way to submit entire threads into the queue? Right now, HEYYOU is on a spamming rage, perhaps there should be a way to prevent someone like him from just spamming threads?


Spamming rage, maybe we can stay away from the personal comments?
491   Elgatouno   ignore (3)   2019 Apr 11, 8:36am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

personal
492   Patrickk   ignore (0)   2019 Apr 11, 8:38am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
HEYYOU is on a spamming rage

Does one have the freedom to offend or not? That is the question.
493   RafiMaas   ignore (0)   2019 Apr 11, 8:40am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Rottingkimchi says
Goran_K says
HEYYOU is on a spamming rage

Does one have the freedom to offend or not? That is the question.


I think rottingkimchi has a point, either we have the freedom to offend or not. Isn't the only rule no personal comments? 😅 😂😂😂
494   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 11, 10:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yes, the only rule is no personal comments. Discuss ideas, not the other users.

OK, I do have a few other rules like not insulting the site itself (just leave if you don't like it), not posting commercial spam, and not breaking any laws.
495   HEYYOU   ignore (26)   2019 Apr 11, 11:03am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Call It Crazy says
gee wiz


Make that Piss on all moderators,ignorers,"personal" posters.
If censorship on this site by any individual was prohibited the snowflakes would leave. Can't handle a little truth.

Fuck those that call this spamming.
G.W.Bush & Republicans maimed & murdered 4801 AMERICAN based on trash Republicans' LIE.
Fuck you Republicans to Hell & back. Republicans are the dregs of the Clever Ape species.
I'll get one a crying towel if they are offended.

Don't talk about other users! Just leave them with nothing.

Bet I couldn't say this on any other site,maybe once before being banned.
496   HEYYOU   ignore (26)   2019 Apr 11, 11:04am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Those that can't offend everyone are LOSERS!
498   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (38)   2019 Apr 11, 1:46pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Why can't everyone describe on every available surface in exacting detail Putin's twisted sodomy of Trump's asshole, mouth and fat folds?
501   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 Apr 11, 3:32pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Elgatouno says


Please keep your fantasies and fetishes out of this Elgatouno
502   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 11, 5:44pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HEYYOU says
Bet I couldn't say this on any other site,maybe once before being banned.


I'll take that as a compliment.
504   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 11, 6:07pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

How can anyone still believe the Russia bullshit after it was so thoroughly discredited after more than two years of the most fanatical and partisan investigation in history?

It's just hate. And that's sad. Hate is suffering for the hater.

Give up hate, live happily.
505   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 11, 6:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Goran_K says
perhaps there should be a way to prevent someone like him from just spamming threads?


I was in fact thinking of limiting people to two or three comments in a thread in a row.

I don't want anyone to be able to drown out anyone else through excessive commenting.
506   d6rB   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 11, 6:24pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
How can anyone still believe the Russia bullshit after it was so thoroughly discredited after more than two years of the most fanatical and partisan investigation in history?

Because they suffer from clinical TDS where FACTS! do not matter. It does not matter also that Russian puppet Trump killed 200-300 Russians in Syria, which is the largest number of Russian troops killed by Americans in one engagement ever, and it does not matter that Obama never challenged Russians in Syria.

And the sad part is that one can find a lot of stuff to criticize Trump, but it is easier not to think so lets trot out things that are false.
507   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 11, 9:28pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I wonder how much the media is to blame for the epidemic of TDS.

Their continuous spin and lies about Trump certainly seem to be a major factor in spreading this disease. They hyped the Russia lie for nearly 2 and a half years, and it was entirely bullshit.
508   d6rB   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 12, 8:29am   ↑ like (4)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
Their continuous spin and lies about Trump certainly seem to be a major factor in spreading this disease. They hyped the Russia lie for nearly 2 and a half years, and it was entirely bullshit.

And it is counterproductive even from the point of TDS sufferers (other than them being able to achieve mental orgasms from bashing t-RUMP). Trump has a lot to be criticized about but they focus on emotionally satisfying issues that are either false or immaterial, thus destroying their and MSM already nonexistent credibility.
I blame our education system, where FACTS ARE VIOLENCE AND LOGIC IS WHITE HETERO-PATRIARCHAL OPPRESSION.
509   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 12, 8:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

achieve mental orgasms from bashing t-RUMP


Lol, that is the perfect way to put it.
510   TrumpingTits   ignore (1)   2019 Apr 17, 8:46pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Elgatouno says
Spamming rage, maybe we can stay away from the personal comments?

Perhaps you could learn some basic reading comprehension skills so you can tell the difference between simply describing an action someone is doing vs a 'personal comment'?
514   BayArea   ignore (1)   2019 May 17, 5:02am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says
I wonder how much the media is to blame for the epidemic of TDS.

Their continuous spin and lies about Trump certainly seem to be a major factor in spreading this disease. They hyped the Russia lie for nearly 2 and a half years, and it was entirely bullshit.


@Patrick - you mentioned in a recent thread that generations will repeat the same mistakes over and over. Young people will always be impressionable.

Because of this, the mainstream media can be dangerous when they predominantly report from an angle.

As people get older, wiser, and more experienced, it’s not surprising that the political trend goes from democrat to republican. And what can be more revealing? As people get older, wiser, and more experienced, they gravitate towards one a particular side of the political spectrum. How reassuring is that democrats?

“If you are young and conservative, you have no heart. If you are old and liberal, you have no brain”

Perhaps one of Donald’s greatest accomplishments during his presidency is exposing the mainstream media.
515   Patrick   ignore (1)   2019 May 17, 7:09am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Yes, the old media of newspapers and TV has consistently lied about Trump, which should be clear to everyone by now, especially after the Russia hoax. They are completely dead as a source of objective news.

Their revenue was almost completely shifted to Google and Facebook, which are unfortunately also dedicated to suppressing news they don't like. Their censorship has really ramped up lately, no doubt because of the 2020 election.

516   CovfefeButDeadly   ignore (5)   2019 May 17, 7:17am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

When I was a kid every liberal HATED this song. But every liberal supported Axl’s right to write and sing it.

Not one “liberal” today would be ok with it. The left would literally lose their shit over this song, boycott and protest the band and their record company...

517   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 May 17, 8:37am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

CovfefeButDeadly says
When I was a kid every liberal HATED this song. But every liberal supported Axl’s right to write and sing it.

Not one “liberal” today would be ok with it. The left would literally lose their shit over this song, boycott and protest the band and their record company...


Imagine if they heard "Money for Nuthin'"

Not just the premise, but the lyrics... that faggot's got his own jet airplane...
518   HonkpilledMaster   ignore (5)   2019 May 17, 8:42am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

d6rB says
I blame our education system, where FACTS ARE VIOLENCE AND LOGIC IS WHITE HETERO-PATRIARCHAL OPPRESSION.


"Objectivity is male subjectivity"
519   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (4)   2019 May 17, 9:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

HonkpilledMaster says
"Objectivity is male subjectivity"


Objectivity is a social construct lol
520   HeadSet   ignore (1)   2019 May 17, 10:46am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

FortWayneIndiana says
HonkpilledMaster says
"Objectivity is male subjectivity"


Objectivity is a social construct lol


Just like math.

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