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Freedom to Offend

By Patrick following x   2015 Feb 9, 7:43am 402,479 views   539 comments   watch   nsfw   quote     share    


Patrick.net is a mostly-unmoderated anonymous forum where the fundamental human right to offend is protected. Freedom of speech is nothing but the freedom to offend. Speech which offends no one needs no protection because it will not be censored. Controversial ideas are inevitably offensive to someone and therefore need protection from censorship.

As MisterLearnToCode says:
We can't ban offensive speech because then we'd be at the mercy of the most easily offended; the lowest common denominator, and wouldn't be able to discuss jack shit.

I especially want to people to have a place to say things they cannot say in person because of family or work or school pressure to conform to the politically correct opinions in their area.

If you are expressing a sincerely held point of view with good will, your comments and posts are very welcome here. If your point of view is "offensive" to others, that is excellent! Enjoy your freedom here. Please try to keep it about ideas and not about people.

Do not attack other users or the site itself. Personal attacks solve nothing. The merit of a person is not important, only the merit of ideas.

If you don't like the site, go somewhere else. This site cost you nothing, was a lot of work for me, and doesn't even have advertising.

I often get requests to block "bad" people from the site, but don't believe that anyone is entirely bad or entirely good, only that the amount of each fluctuates over time.

If only it were all so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?

― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918–1956

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Here are the original articles that made this site famous:

https://patrick.net/post/1282720/2015-07-11-ten-reasons-it-s-a-terrible-time-to-buy-an-expensive-house
https://patrick.net/post/1282721/2015-07-11-eight-groups-who-lie-about-the-housing-market
https://patrick.net/post/1282722/2015-07-11-37-bogus-arguments-about-housing

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1   curious2   ignore (0)   2015 Feb 9, 10:37pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@Patrick, there seem to be some issues searching for specific comments. Searching via DuckDuckGo or Google, Patrick.net gets many prominent hits, but clicking on them tends to produce errors, e.g.
500 Internal Server Error
nginx/1.2.1
Likewise, Patrick.net's internal search function produces many false hits, for example searching for "city-journal" returns every occurrence of city or journal.

2   HydroCabron   ignore (1)   2015 Feb 10, 3:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)   quote   flag        

Can we have a fresh STEM thread auto-generated every 500 seconds?

3   Patrick   ignore (1)   2015 Feb 10, 6:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

curious2 says

there seem to be some issues searching for specific comments. Searching via DuckDuckGo or Google, Patrick.net gets many prominent hits, but clicking on them tends to produce errors, e.g.

500 Internal Server Error

nginx/1.2.1

Likewise, Patrick.net's internal search function produces many false hits, for example searching for "city-journal" returns every occurrence of city or journal.

yes, it's still in a terrible half-baked state.

trying to figure out how the new categories relate to each other:

companies have events, jobs, technologies, investors
events have companies, but not jobs...
jobs have technologies but not investors...

hopefully will figure all that out today.

4   Patrick   ignore (1)   2015 Nov 4, 6:39pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

crap, comments were going into moderation for no good reason!

stopped all moderation of comments, so now some spam will get through, but at least no legit comments will be blocked.

if you have any trouble commenting, please email p@patrick.net

6   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2016 May 20, 6:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

patrick.net has never received a national security letter.

Phew! I've really been sweating that one. I've been a nervous wreck constantly looking over my shoulder.
I was convinced you told them my hair and eye color by now.

7   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2016 May 20, 6:23am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

crap, comments were going into moderation for no good reason!

stopped all moderation of comments, so now some spam will get through, but at least no legit comments will be blocked.

if you have any trouble commenting, please email p@patrick.net

Maybe you should only allow your spam trigger to override the fliter, only if the post has a hashtag #Offendingword at the bottom, which you ask anyway, so that the filter could over write it.
That could get trickey but at least you would still have your moderation against real spam.

8   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2016 May 20, 6:28am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Adult forums, by definition, do not support babytalk...

curious2 says

Searching via DuckDuckGo or Google, Patrick.net gets many prominent hits

9   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2016 May 20, 4:53pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

Devil's Advocate response: FUCK EVERYBODY!

" untrusted site warning"; never trust a patnetter. lmao

10   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2016 May 20, 4:55pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote   flag        

"personally identifying information"

Who keeps calling me ASSHOLE?

11   Tenpoundbass   ignore (14)   2016 May 21, 2:16pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

thinking of just eliminating ssl completely and generating a unique one-time cookie on each page view.

Yes then dynamically name the add message and new message textbox id or the name that uniquie one-time string. So that new spam bots only work the first time. The hassle of having to come back and set their spam bot script up wouldn't be worth the hassle for them.

This post the id could be something like "R$399KnZ" but the next time the bot tries to post to your url with those form values it wont post. Becuase this time the correct textbox id is "NXl412!r".

12   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2016 May 24, 9:45pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

this is a test of the emergency Youtube embedded video

13   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2016 May 24, 9:46pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny4lRibuh9A"

14   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2016 May 24, 9:47pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@Patrick
the above link doesn't work as an embedded video (quotes removed 2 posts up...)

15   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2016 May 24, 10:08pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

rando says

the only reason to have ssl is to prevent someone from seeing your cookie and becoming you on patrick.net

Now what kind of asshole would do something like that just to mess with a troll by having him post an exclamation of his love of goats? Oh wait, never mind.

16   Patrick   ignore (1)   2016 May 25, 7:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@Xanthidae i think i fixed it.

Xanthidae says

the above link doesn't work as an embedded video (quotes removed 2 posts up...)

you can even see the change here now that i have the code in github:

https://github.com/killelea/patrick.net/commit/7234b2be99b35734d40b207d99e8f7eb4ebc4924

please let me know if any more problems. or just send me a pull request if you know php and github things.

18   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2016 May 25, 8:38am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Works! Thanks!

19   BayArea   ignore (1)   2016 Jun 20, 11:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick, just a thought...

For new posts, have you considered changing the order of the title and the image when using cell-phone?

It just seems intuitively, I would prefer to read the title then see the related image, and not vice-versa?

20   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2016 Jun 21, 11:30am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

Nothing on this site is censored by Patrick except:

  • threats
  • child porn
  • spam
  • copyright violations (upon notice)
  • personally identifying information

You lie! I have it on good authority that redirecting troll's threads to goat porn websites via JavaScript injection is in fact censored! Stop censoring JavaScript. Scripting is free speech!

21   anonymous   ignore (null)   2016 Jun 21, 2:09pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hey piss off, Obamacare bot

22   Patrick   ignore (1)   2016 Jun 21, 8:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

BayArea says

Patrick, just a thought...

For new posts, have you considered changing the order of the title and the image when using cell-phone?

It just seems intuitively, I would prefer to read the title then see the related image, and not vice-versa?

@BayArea yes, it's a good idea, but i have not been able to get that to work on mobile devices. the formatting goes badly wrong if i try to put the image after the title.

maybe if you know css/html you can figure out a method that works and show me. you could just use the browser developer tools to change things around, or save the page and muck with it statically.

23   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2016 Jul 22, 10:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

maybe if you know css/html you can figure out a method that works and show me. you could just use the browser developer tools to change things around, or save the page and muck with it statically.

The trick is to use the @media css tag to override styles based on width breakpoints. I threw together a JS Fiddle. I've only tested it in Firefox though. No bets on I.E. I never use that browser.

24   Patrick   ignore (1)   2016 Jul 26, 7:55am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

You can do time ranges on YouTube videos, for example:

25   Patrick   ignore (1)   2016 Jul 26, 7:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

that was done with a url like this: https://www.y outube.com/v/chElHV99xak?start=53&end=59

i put the space in the url to break it so it wouldn't actually get converted.

26   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2016 Jul 26, 8:05am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

You can do time ranges on YouTube videos

27   HEY YOU   ignore (7)   2016 Jul 31, 11:51am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

I was following the first paragraph until I came to "clear critical thought."
We'll not be having any of that shit!
And apparently it's not a problem.

28   BlueSardine   ignore (2)   2016 Jul 31, 12:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

This is a major non-damning improvement...

Patrick says

You can do time ranges on YouTube videos

29   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2016 Aug 1, 8:04am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@Patrick, what's with all the spammers? Have they broken the captcha you are using? Maybe it's time to switch to another.

Chances are these spammers aren't targeting PatNet specifically, but rather have bots that target common platforms like PHP. Maybe a simple speed bump in which the user has to play a little "guitar hero" game with arrow keys to register a username.

30   marcus   ignore (8)   2016 Aug 5, 2:15am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Patrick says

If there is a bedrock principle underlying the First Amendment, it is that government may not prohibit the expression of an idea simply because society finds the idea offensive or disagreeable.

--Justice William Brennan, speaking for the majority

Maybe you should add something along the lines of:

We also have some free thinkers on this forum that understand that an idea being offensive or politically incorrect does not in and of itself make it good.

31   jazz_music   ignore (7)   2016 Aug 5, 11:20am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

you got spam

32   Patrick   ignore (1)   2016 Aug 5, 11:40am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

spam deleted.

33   Patrick   ignore (1)   2016 Aug 5, 11:41am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

marcus says

an idea being offensive or politically incorrect does not in and of itself make it good

also true.

34   Dan8267   ignore (3)   2016 Aug 11, 7:31am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Google should have a public way of hurting the page rank of spammers. If someone spams a forum, send the link to Google to reduce the advertised website's page rank. Granted, we'd have to deal with saboteurs, but the benefits would outweigh this cost.

35   Patrick   ignore (1)   2016 Aug 11, 4:31pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ah fuck. Yes, I did make some changes this morning.

Ironman says

It looks like the "quote" function isn't posting the name of the poster quoted,

Quote thing seems to work ok for me.

Please tell me which threads with long titles are not found!

36   Patrick   ignore (1)   2016 Aug 11, 7:27pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OK, made a little progress. It seems to happen on Safari, but not Chrome. At least I have a starting point to look at.

37   Patrick   ignore (1)   2016 Aug 11, 7:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Hmmm, confusing because I didn't change anything about the code that does that stuff:

https://github.com/killelea/patrick.net/blob/master/html/functions.php#L2217

38   Patrick   ignore (1)   2016 Aug 11, 8:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

OK, I think it's fixed now. Quotes should always have "(user) says" in them. Thanks for telling me about that.

Ironman says

Trying from my phone (Droid), doesn't quote the name either.

39   Patrick   ignore (1)   2016 Aug 11, 8:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

Ah yes. Also fixed as of now. Please check.

40   Patrick   ignore (1)   2016 Aug 12, 11:07am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag        

@Ironman you're right.

That is also fixed now.

Please tell me more bugs and suggestions.

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