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bgamall4 says

As Chomsky writes in his Peace in the Middle East?, “In the American Jewish community, there is little willingness to face the fact that the Palestinian Arabs have suffered a monstrous historical injustice, whatever one may think of the competing claims. Until this is recognized, discussion of the Middle East crisis cannot even begin.”

Bull shit. Jews have faced a greater injustice throughout history. They deserve a homeland.

bgamall4 says

He will judge you for calling him evil too.

Well that sounds petty, especially since any intelligent being would know I was talking about a hypothetical god that would toss someone into hell for not believing in his existence. Is your god truly that petty?

bgamall4 says

The Palestinians do not want to be shipped from Palestine

Honey, please read my statements before jumping onto your delusions. I didn't advocate shipping Palestinians in cargo holds. I advocated moving the state of Israel to someplace else, which is exactly what you want. The Israelis can fly first class rather than in cargo holds.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

Speaking out against just one wrong does not make a "right" either. Where is your sense of fairness and balance?

The occupier always bears more responsibility than the occupied. You know that. Where is your sense of fair play? Where is your brain?

And they are keeping up with their responsibility of avoiding the deaths of civilians, and going after Hamas...a treacherous, baby killing terrorist machine.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

And they are keeping up with their responsibility of avoiding the deaths of civilians, and going after Hamas...a treacherous, baby killing terrorist machine.

That must be why 1000 civilians have died. And btw, Strategist, the two state solution must come before this killing. That is the crime. It is a crime everytime an Israeli soldier gets up in the morning.

Hamas does not want a 2 state solution. They want to exterminate Jews and Israel. Other Islamists want to exterminate pretty much everyone else.
I don't understand how you can support people who train their children to be suicide bombers.

It's not just poverty. Poor Hispanics do not commit crime at nearly the same rate as similarly poor blacks.

but it still can be accumulated prejudice and racism, plus culture, before we even get to epigenetic and genetic factors.

We need to fix all that crap before we start tarring entire populations with racist brushes.

That's actually part of the problem, not solution.

And yes, white supremacists should quit while they're ahead before they find out their aryan or whatever stock is not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

A culture thing is not the same as a "race" thing. It is true that most wealthier countries are further away from the equator. Singapore is an exception. Perhaps the capitalist dictatorship is the explanation?

I have to say I don't understand the premise of this thread, since the most recent scientific evidence points to the fact that we are one species, not a bunch of "races."

I'm also surprised that Patrick would start such a thread and not defend whatever position he takes in relation to it, but so be it.

This is either a total put on, or the grossest display of stupidity I've seen recently, and I drive a lot!

I'm checking out. See ya.

monkframe says

I have to say I don't understand the premise of this thread, since the most recent scientific evidence points to the fact that we are one species, not a bunch of "races."

Of course there are "races," they are in our heads. Groups race against each other. It means nothing, but humanity brings no meaning either.

monkframe says

I have to say I don't understand the premise of this thread, since the most recent scientific evidence points to the fact that we are one species, not a bunch of "races."

Given a million more years with no interracial breeding we would all have evolved into completely different animals. But with the world getting smaller, and interracial breeding expanding, we will all have descendants of the same human race.
Eventually, who is smarter, superior, and prettier will make no difference.

bgamall4 says

Strategist says

Hamas does not want a 2 state solution. They want to exterminate Jews and Israel.

Wrong again. Hamas has called for a two state solution. That is the LEAST Israel MUST DO.

Then, after that there is still ongoing negotiations about the Palestinian claims on the land.

You have not done your homework. Hamas charter calls for the destruction of Israel. Israel is willing to go for a 2 state solution, which is why the gave up Gaza in exchange for peace. What did they get? suicide bombers.

monkframe says

scientific evidence points to the fact that we are one species, not a bunch of "races."

http://static1.businessinsider.com/image/50193050eab8eaa85a00002b/early-google-employees.jpg

My guess is Bgamall4 would hate zionists even if Israel did not exist. His persona reminds me of germany before WW2.

Excellent rational by Sam Harris on why secularists need to support Israel-
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/why-dont-i-criticize-israel

Obligatory:

Yes! You have exposed me as a government recruit! I mean... Israel is paying me. How perceptive of you.
In fact I would love to get a second income from any government source.
Reason i started my comments with you is because I come to this site to read about the housing market and you keep on bringing up this jewish conspiracy filth. Go to Stormfront to make your point.

bgamall4 says

Portal says

Excellent rational by Sam Harris on why secularists need to support Israel-

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/why-dont-i-criticize-israel

You made 5 comments on this site and you immediately slander me. Are you a government recruit? Or is Israel paying you?

What are your rambling about? bgamall4 says

You are slandering me. Stormfront is racist and anti Semitic. I am not. I liked Soap, by Susan Harris, but her son is lost, and confused. Smart, but still probably a closet Zionist.

I'll pass on reading your book. Here is the one review from amazon-
"This book was quite disjointed and very poorly written. The author needs to learn how to organize his thoughts and write coherent paragraphs that include topic sentences followed by support sentences. Moreover, he should have explained terminology such as Basel 2, MERS, Alt-A loans and so forth. Also, even though I happen to agree with his main premises, he failed to offer adequate support for his claims."bgamall4 says

And here is the point, Portal, the scamsters who orchestrated the housing debacle are associated with the people who seek world domination. The bankers and the UK and US and the neocons are all on the same page, Portal. I have proved it in my ebook, Wicked Zionism. You should read it.

Bellingham Bill says

Obligatory:

Strategist says

Gary, are going to hell.

there is a special place in hell for Gary, he gets to be one of the 72 virgins that suicide bombers are promised.

Debate you on what? You never made an actual argument!

If I need to read your book to debate you... then I think you are the one that is trolling.
bgamall4 says

That comment is trollish. For one thing, you didn't debate your slander of me, just made the comment of a troll instead. I have posted thousands of messages on this board and you are a jerk with only 6 comments.

Portal says

My guess is Bgamall4 would hate zionists even if Israel did not exist. His persona reminds me of germany before WW2.

I think he would hate Zionists, even if Zionists did not exist.

It is more cultural than race. Black people in the UK look and feel differently from those in the US.

Peter P says

It is more cultural than race. Black people in the UK look and feel differently from those in the US.

youre behind the times, this old chestnut is no longer accepted due to huge amounts of muslim blacks emigrating to UK. the few blacks here and there up until the 80s sure were a nice little decoration for the brits to prove they weren't racist.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/nhzs_7RLgKQ

But I have a man-crush on Idris Elba.

its pretty simple really

Whites are wealth creators, planners, rationers, rearers of children, builders, writers, law makers

Blacks consume resources, violent, reproduce like rabbits, do not take responsibility for their children, have no sense of ethics or justice and blame all their problems on white people.

other groups like hispanics and asians are at varying points in the spectrum- some Asian groups are as intelligent as whites, such as Japanese- but I personally don't envy the Japanese one bit - but sometimes they are interesting.

bgamall4 says

Dan8267 says

Sure, you never came out and directly said those words, but like a typical lawyer, you implied it. You meant blacks.

I agree, that is how it came across to me, Dan. He is a racist, IMO. But then, I made the case in another thread that all Zionists are racist.

It's really bad when a racist like bgamall4 is like "damn, you're way too racist". It's like if Hitler said to you, "Don't you think you're being a bit hard on the Jews?". Or Michael Jackson saying, "Isn't he a bit too young for you?". Or R Kelly saying, "You really shouldn't pee on that.".

Let's set aside the race issue, let's look at the Distance from Equator within Europe: even the southern Europeans are selected by local females for Don Juan behavior instead of the preference for more industrious types in Northern Europe in order to ensure the survival of her offsprings. That's all within the same race of "Caucasians."

Another issue is "cross-over": "blacks" in the US have gotten a lot of lighter in skin color over the past 300-400 years, and many have crossed over to self-identify as "whites" after moving. It is estimated that the majority of "whites" in the US actually have at least one black person among their ancestors.

Now think about that for a moment. If we have 100 blue people to begin with, then each year the most intelligent among them is moved out of the group, replaced by one that is of exactly the average intelligence of the remaining 99. What do you think will happen to the average intelligence of the group after 300-400 iterations?

It's the same effect as the most kinetic molecules evaporate and reduce the water temperature in an open container.

the problem with the blacks in the US is that they are the offspring of TWO undesirable factors:

1) slaves who were bred for low intelligence and strong physical constitution

2) the mixing was not due to intermarriage but rather RAPE.

Most Africans today who come to the US do not get along with Basketball-Americans. I really predict that one of these days the tensions will get so bad and our political system will be so broken that some will actually begin to call for their extermination of sterilization. Do you have any idea how much these people cost Americans?

and the culture is starting to bleed out into white groups. Kids listening to rap music and imitating what they see on TV. Yes, this is YOUR kids- this is a white-middle class phenomenon. White girls are starting to behave like blacks, single mothers, STDs - you name it.

The Original Bankster says

have no sense of ethics or justice and blame all their problems on...

I find this contradictory. Those who have no sense of ethics do not blame because moral statements would be meaningless.

Peter P says

The distance-from-equator effect is very real. Warm-climate people are simply less motivated. It is not about intelligence.

Only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the Noon Day Sun.

Peter P says

It is more cultural than race. Black people in the UK look and feel differently from those in the US.

That's because they are different. Blacks in US have some white in them because they have been here a long time, and white slave masters had their way with them at will.
The Blacks in Britain are recent arrivals, and there still hold on to some of their original culture. They clearly did not go through the pain that American Blacks went through.

The Original Bankster says

2) the mixing was not due to intermarriage but rather RAPE.

Not anymore.

RE: slavery

Many cultures went through slavery at some point in history. Judaism and Christianity were born out of slavery.

The Jews were slaves in Egypt. Yet they have been culturally superior. It is hard to deny that Judaism is a testament to the strength of the human spirit.

So I don't know what TOS is trying to say.

GARY- youre not going to Heaven or the Good Rock Candy mountain or whatever other dumb shit delusion youve worked into your post-retirement brain in an attempt to make yourself feel better about your failure life.

go to hell, stop blaming jews for your problems, and try medication of some kind.

Dan8267 says

It's not like there's a centuries-old Palestinian people who happen to occupy the land where Israel is located.

Again, the genetic research shows that the Palestinians are the people who inhabited that land. I'm not sure why you're engaging in fact-denial here. In addition, the research shows that many Muslim Palestinians are descendants of Jewish or Christian ancestors (and other people) who lived in the same place. So yes, there definitely are centuries-old people who have lived there.

Dan8267 says

Hell, if the Jews never immigrated to the Middle East, there would be no Palestinian people or movement for a Palestinian state.

You're revising some history here, once again. The area has been known as Palestine since before the Common Era, and is even mentioned in the bible as such (by the root word for Palestine). There are references throughout the period to Palestine after that, and certainly in the Byzantine period, it was known as Palestine too. In addition, even before Israel was created, it was governed as the Mandate of Palestine by the British since 1920 and was Ottoman before that.

There would be no Palestinian movement if Israel hadn't been created because the area would have stayed Palestine. That seems pretty obvious.

In addition, there were Jews in Palestine before Israel was created by partition.

Not sure if you're trolling or if you're just as ridiculous a Zionist as bgamall4 is an anti-Zionist. You're really just making stuff up now and not saying anything consistent with the factual record.

ok Jordan was called what before 'the common era'?

why do we not question these other countries existence?

for one simple reason- Israel does not have a muslim majority and they literally do this everywhere on earth.

oh yes! let's give gary the permanent pulpit because he has mastered the art of sactimonious wining.

OHH I LOVE JESUS- but i hate jews.

OHH I LOVE BLACK PEOPLE- but dont live near any or are related to any, god forbid

OHH WORLD PEACE! - can't we just give Hamas one more chance to prove themselves?

GARY SHUT YOUR STUPID MOUTH. yes- your worst fear is true- you are a retiree who is 100% useless to society and we're all waiting for you to die. get off the god damn internet.

Enlighten us on how whites are "controlled' by zionists. This is starting to get interesting.
bgamall4 says

Whites are controlled by Zionists but they don't know it. The Zionists are some white, and some Jewish but they control the rest of the whites and they have no clue. Donald Sterling was a Zionist and said Israel treats blacks bad and he saw no problem with it.

Portal says

Enlighten us on how whites are "controlled' by zionists. This is starting to get interesting.

Gary is someone who has a lot of time, no purpose other than making himself feel like a good little boy who is getting an awesome kick ass afterlife, and seems really intent on reaching people on this forum. in other words A LUNATIC.