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bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

It was weakened by uncontrolled fires. Is that what you meant by 'undermined.'

I am saying undermined. You say by fire, and I say by detonation. Regardless, that would not permit the building to fall into it's own footprint. What permits a building to fall into its own footprint is the release of support throughout the building. The entire building had to release, not just the bottom supports.

And there you have my exact point.

And videos clearly show progressive internal collapse across much of the building before the whole building came down, so...

bgamall4 says

bgamall4 says

So that means more than just the bottom floors were released from support. And of course, fire was not everywhere, so that could not have happened without detonation

And I am allowing that fire could have released any of the supports, which in reality is impossible in a reinforced building like this. But since fire was not everywhere, all the supports could not have been released unless by detonation.

Perhaps before you post, you'd actually like to read the official report because judging by what you are saying in these posts, you haven't.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Perhaps before you post, you'd actually like to read the official report because judging by what you are saying in these posts, you haven't.

I don't have to. I know a fraud when I see him. And you are him.

Ah right, you are arguing against something you haven't even read. Why am I not surprised?

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Ah right, you are arguing against something you haven't even read. Why am I not surprised?

No, I am arguing the truth. You are arguing against it with arguments that don't hold water. I listen to your lies in debate, but I won't listen to the NIST lies while they hide behind a ream of paper.

Ha, ha. You have been arguing against something you haven't even read. You frequently ridicule the findings in the report. And now we discover you haven't even read the report. How stupid do you think that makes you look?

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Ha, ha. You have been arguing against something you haven't even read.

No, idiot. I have been arguing my position. It is unassailable. You have to argue against the truth. If you don't want to I will declare victory now. You cannot defeat my argument so you plea to me to read the NIST.

You are a fraud, Bigsby.

You argue against something that you haven't even read. You criticize the findings of something that you have no knowledge about. And now you claim your argument is 'unassailable' and that you will 'declare victory now.' What a bloody joke you are. You are the fraud and a very stupid one at that.

bgamall4 says

tatupu70 says

You know bloody well what I'm talking about. Abandoning the human race in favor of your new alien masters.

I wish you would not waste space in this thread to talk about aliens.

Aliens are certainly as valid an explanation as silent demolition by government agents who spent months bringing in tons of explosives in backpacks then spent hundreds of hours doing major demolition and rebuilding to place the explosives and detonator wiring while not being seen by anyone who then hired al queda to ram planes that weren't really planes full of people who weren't really people into the wtc to make people think they were brought down by a raging fire instead of demolition from the magic silent explosives that some how manged to work perfectly in the middle of raging fire from the planes as a false flag for something that I can't remember. Makes perfect sense when you write it all down.

Besides which you posted the article for me documenting all the alien activity that has been going on. I didn't know about half that stuff. Aliens rule! Why do you deny your heritage? Why do you deny the truth?

Bigsby says

ow stupid do you think that makes you look?

I would say no more so than the baseline.

bgamall4 says

Marvin Bush, the president's youngest brother, was in charge of security at the towers. You need to check yourself into a clinic.

No marvin bush was a director on the board of a subcontractor and left the board before 9/11. You need to check your facts. It hasn't happened yet, but hope springs eternal. I'll be behind you in line checking into the clinic.

"Fat, drunk, and stupid is no way to go through life" Animal House.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

You criticize the findings of something that you have no knowledge about.

I understand how buildings fall you fricken idiot. WTC7 was detonated. Period.

You do? Do buildings only 'fall' as a result of detonation?

Just a suggestion, but perhaps you should actually read the report that you so frequently attack before you do the attacking.

bgamall4 says

Marvin Bush, the president's youngest brother, was in charge of security at the towers. You need to check yourself into a clinic.

Are you implying that Marvin Bush is an alien as well??

bgamall4 says

No marvin bush was a director on the board of a subcontractor and left the board before 9/11. You need to check your facts.

His replacement's was John Oneill

Sorry, but bush was a company director (I'm also sorry you are not smart enough to know what that means) and O'neil was head of security for completely different companies;. But don't let actual facts interfere with you thinking. So far it hasn't happened, so let's keep it a perfect track record.

Little know fact was that O'neil was an alien sacrificial lamb. He was about to reveal all he know about the alien plot, but his neferious plan was foiled by the head of alien security vaporizing his briefcase full of classified documents including all the details of the judeo-alien plans to cd the wtc after hiring al queda to fly planes into the wtc so that people would believe that based on terrorists flying into the wtc that the building collapse was actually a government plot to cd the buildings because even though it appeared that the planes caused the collapse people would of course believe that it was a false flag because of the magic silent demolition was actually a cover up for the alien death ray mounted on the holographic planes. This lost briefcase led to his being under suspicien at the FBI forcing him to take the alien arranged (silverstein being part of the judeo-alien conspiricy of course) job at the wtc so that he would die his first day on the job. The aliens even arranged to have his body lie in a stairwell for 12 days with no deterioration at all so he could be positively identified so that everyone would know to never cross the head of alien security in the future.

It's all perfectly clear. Why do you deny truth?

The Professor says

For some people believing in aliens is easier than believing that our government could be complicit in murder.

These are not mutually exclusive concepts. Why would you think so?

The Professor says

In 2012 I learned about WTC7. The OT's have made the evidence easy to understand. The Professors' mission is to help spread the truth.

OK then Professor, spread away. Please detail exactly what happened.

(I don't want to know what DIDN'T happen. Very clearly and precisely detail how the towers were demolished. What role did the planes play? Was al-Quaeda involved? Did our government play a role? etc. Please lay out the whole kit and kaboodle)

And NO VIDEOS. Do it in your own words. You want to spread the truth--please do so.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Do buildings only 'fall' as a result of detonation?

They only fall into their own footprint into a small pile of rubble as a result of detonation. I am not attacking the NIST report. I ignore the NIST report because it has nothing to say about the demolition because it is a lie. I don't care about their report. It is not accurate and is to be dismissed, just like the JFK report that ignores LBJ's involvement and prediction of the assassination.

And, btw, Cheney was friends with Operation Northwood's general. They worked together. You know about Northwoods right Mr Cockroach?

Before dismissing something, it would be a good idea to know what the report actually said.

Bigsby says

Before dismissing something, it would be a good idea to know what the report actually said.

You are such an old school stick in the mud. This is the internet age, only video's matter.

However to his credit bigmouth did post an excellent article detailing in great depth the true extent of the alien invasion into the us society.

The Professor says

Why hire a controlled demolition company to clean up an office fire?

The obvious reason, because aliens were in control of rudy juliani so they delibratly choose a company called control demolitions inc so that everyone would think it wasn't a controlled demolition because no one that was trying to hide a controlled demolition would hire a company by that name. Big time false flag.

Or the totally not obvious reason, because controlled demolitions inc is one of the few companies with the equipment and experience to clean up the rubble from buildings this big. No, say it ain't so joe.

bob2356 says

The obvious reason, because aliens were in control of rudy juliani so they
delibratly choose a company called control demolitions inc so that everyone
would think it wasn't a controlled demolition because no one that was trying to
hide a controlled demolition would hire a company by that name. Big time false
flag.

Come on bgamall. Don't tell me you've never heard of Operation Northwoods?? You can't be that big of an idiot.

The Professor says

...that have been destroyed by controlled demolition

Great point. The rubble from controlled demolotion cleans up much differently than the rubble from a fire weakened demolition.

That's just more proof that it was aliens--they probably don't know the finer points of rubble clean-up like humans do.

tatupu70 says

Great point. The rubble from controlled demolotion cleans up much differently
than the rubble from a fire weakened demolition.

That's just more proof that it was aliens--they probably don't know the finer
points of rubble clean-up like humans do.

You people with your theories of Aliens & neocons are so delusional. Take a look at this video and its IRREFUTABLE PROOF that the towers were brought down by the Devil

http://www.youtube.com/embed/16bPTlsf1Fc

The National Institute of Spirits & the Paranormal (NISP)report clearly states that a number of Glenn Danzig Albums were found among the debris, especially, his second album: Lucifuge.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/KL7Jk8IMVXA&list=PLD533016FCE48B59F

The NISP report fails to mention that Lucifuge is the name of the Dark Lord's chief minion, so clearly he was conjured to the site, probably by Yitzak Rabin and the coach of the New Jersey Nets... Why wouldn't the NISP report mention this?

Also, why didn't the NISP report test for Judas Priest first album which we all know has demonic conjuring powers? Oh sure, they said testing could give a false positive because it was such a crappy record that unsold copies were used as landfill during site construction, but still, why not test for it anyway?

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Before dismissing something, it would be a good idea to know what the report actually said.

No, that is where you screwed up Bigsby.

So you consider that actually knowing about what it is you are critiquing to be 'screwing up.' I see.

Sullenberger crashed the planes into the towers on a hudson river practice run...

No you screwed up bga....
the reason the coaster crashed at 6 flags was because 5 of em were false!

bgamall4 says

No, that is where you screwed up Bigsby.

bgamall4 says

So, what do you gain from making an ass out of yourself?

More likes than you do.

There have been exactly the same number of aliens positively identified as being involved in bringing down the wtc as government employees. Zero. So why are my theories any less valid than yours?

CDon says

Also, why didn't the NISP report test for Judas Priest first album which we all know has demonic conjuring powers? Oh sure, they said testing could give a false positive because it was such a crappy record that unsold copies were used as landfill during site construction, but still, why not test for it anyway

Excellent point. They also failed to test for paranormal activity. Why wasn't ghostbusters involved? Seems like this a much, much deeper cover up than we all first imagined. Aliens, ghosts, lucifer, and dick cheney. This is serious. Very serious.

Let me guess... that's the same video you posted before with no sound of a huge explosion on it.

Bigsby says

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Ha, ha. You have been arguing against something you haven't even read.

No, idiot. I have been arguing my position. It is unassailable. You have to argue against the truth. If you don't want to I will declare victory now. You cannot defeat my argument so you plea to me to read the NIST.

You are a fraud, Bigsby.

You argue against something that you haven't even read. You criticize the findings of something that you have no knowledge about. And now you claim your argument is 'unassailable' and that you will 'declare victory now.' What a bloody joke you are. You are the fraud and a very stupid one at that.

This is why I have bgamall on my ignore list. You can't have a civil discussion w/ this guy. Trust me, he's a complete waste of everyone's time, including yours..

The Professor says

You want the whole story? There it is. The story that was fed to us from day one. Could it be the truth? The evidence says no.

OK--let me try again. I don't want to know what you think isn't supported by the evidence. I want to know what you think IS supported by the evidence--ie, what really happened.

Not a video showing what somebody else thinks--what do YOU think happened on 9/11

The Professor says

Three buildings were imploded and used as an excuse to start wars in the middle east and take away rights in America.

What do you think happened? Do you really believe the official story that office fires caused steel framed buildings to utterly destroy themselves in clouds of pulverized concrete and twisted steel? Do you really believe that fire can warp steel beams and drag the entire 47 floor steel framed WTC7 down with it?

Yes, though your description is typically florid.
You, in contrast, believe in the detonation of silent explosives (and with no video evidence) set up with what one must presume to have been a highly complex wiring system that managed to survive immense office fires that raged on the same floors that were, coincidentally I presume, hit by airplanes flown by, well, I guess you or Bgamall can answer that one.
Anyway, I was impressed by your detailed explanation of what you thought happened. All one line of it.

The Professor says

Scientist explain it better than I do

Yes, you are right, scientists do explain it better than you. Unfortunately, you choose to put your faith in a few conspiracy wing nuts instead.

The Professor says

Does anyone believe that office fires can take down a steel framed building? If so can they please post an example?

Please post up an example of a similarly constructed building being hit by a large aeroplane.

The Professor says

Three buildings were imploded and used as an excuse to start wars in the middle east and take away rights in America.

OK--let's look at your theory.

1. Do you think passenger jets flew into the towers?
2. Were they hijacked? By Al-Quaeda?

Let's start with those questions.

The Professor says

That is the official conspiracy theory.

But I didn't ask what the official conspiracy theory is. Do YOU think passenger jets hit the towers?

The Professor says

tatupu70 says

OK--let's look at your theory.

1. Do you think passenger jets flew into the towers?

2. Were they hijacked? By Al-Quaeda?

That is the official conspiracy theory.

Also part of the official conspiracy theory, do you believe that WTC7 Was brought down by office fires alone?

'Official conspiracy theory.' Where do you come up with this crap?

The Professor says

tatupu70 says

Do YOU think passenger jets hit the towers?

Yep.

Do you believe that office fires took down a steel framed building (WTC7) on 9/11/2001?

Yes. Presumably you think a silent and unseen controlled demolition that survived a major and untackled 7hour+ fire did the job.

The Professor says

You ask me to explain in detail what happened on 9/11. I can't.

OK--well, how about you spend some time figuring out what DID happen, instead of what didin't happen.

Because until you can offer a reasonable explanation for what did happen, you're critiques of the commission are lame, at best.

The Professor says

Follow the money.



I'll do some more research on the actual plan and get back to you.

See all those lighter color lines radiating out from the center of the picture. That's the alien projector (technology the aliens stole from scooby doo episodes) that is creating an image of a plane that isn't really there so that people will believe the towers were hit by planes when the demolition takes place. Proof of this is irrefutable. The lines are an exact duplicate of one of the nazca lines drawings which everyone knows were created by aliens.

bgamall4 says

I believe there is a judgement for these deeds, but not likely in a human court.

Well I hope you're right and the alien court will deal with them appropriately then. I didn't know the aliens had a court system like we do. That's comforting.

tatupu70 says

Well I hope you're right and the alien court will deal with them appropriately then. I didn't know the aliens had a court system like we do. That's comforting

Aliens have different value system. Aliens are taken to court and punished for NOT being involved in acts like Princess Diana, JFK and 9/11. Sowing confusion, fostering conspiracy theories, and creating mistrust among the humans is their very reason for being. Failure to do so results in severe penalties.

bgamall4 says

Justice was invented by God. I hope you know that man didn't invent the
concept. Same for mercy. You better hope for aliens yourself, but then that is a
hope in vain.

Out of all the conspiracies you believe in, there's no room for aliens??