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zzyzzx   Mon, 23 Mar 2015, 7:19am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (11)   Dislike   Delete  Comment 1

zzyzzx   Mon, 23 Mar 2015, 7:20am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (8)   Dislike   Delete  Comment 2

Rin   Wed, 25 Mar 2015, 8:18am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (7)   Dislike   Delete  Comment 3

I don't know why one would call that the 'American Dream'. A dream is to be financially independent and doing what one wants with one's own time.

Instead, what the article is referencing is a condition known as being a corporate wage slave.

Blurtman   Wed, 25 Mar 2015, 7:59am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (7)   Dislike   Delete  Comment 4

With no employment options available in the USA, my husband joined ISIS. He is doing well, and his superiors really seem to appreciate his degree in organizational development. Next week, we shop for a home in Mosul.

elliemae   Tue, 24 Mar 2015, 10:50am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (6)   Dislike (1)   Delete  Comment 5

But what they don't understand is that, with insurance, providers will be overwhelmed because people will be swarming doctor's offices just because they can. They probably won't even be sick, they'll simply be people who are empowered with unlimited insurance benefits running amok in the streets (or in this case, the doctor's office). Fuckin' Obama

mell   Mon, 23 Mar 2015, 9:29am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (6)   Dislike   Delete  Comment 6

Dan8267 says

mell says

That's great, I'm not. Tax him then. Dickface is free to pay 50% if he wants to, he may even get a thank you letter in the mail. The hypocrisy.

Once again conservatives demonstrate their complete mathematical illiteracy and inability to comprehend the concept of freeloading when talking about the rich.

Ludicrous, there will never be a meritocracy if people have to pay 50% of their income and getting nothing in return. It's the very reason this country is on the decline. If you took a closer look at the tax responsibilities you would see that the top quintile pays almost all of the taxes. When those people with skills eventually have been decimated and pushed into the current 47%ers and the uber-wealthy have moved all of their cash overseas into untouchable accounts, then cannibal anarchy is on.

mell   Mon, 23 Mar 2015, 9:18am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (6)   Dislike (1)   Delete  Comment 7

That's great, I'm not. Tax him then. Dickface is free to pay 50% if he wants to, he may even get a thank you letter in the mail. The hypocrisy.

CaptainShuddup   Wed, 25 Mar 2015, 9:30am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike (5)   Delete  Comment 8

The American dream is getting married raising a family and owning a house.
But with a caveat you have to manage to do all of the above with out regret or Liberal shame for not marrying a dude and renting in Cupertino instead.

curious2   Tue, 24 Mar 2015, 11:11am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike (1)   Delete  Comment 9

Ugh, a distraction followed by sarcasm. The OP cherry-picks a statistic to disguise Obamneycare in successful language when the policy continues to fail by its own terms. "All of our premiums" were supposed to go "down", when most have gone up; total spending, already the highest of any country in the history of the world, has continued to increase. There were supposed to be no more uninsured and no more medical bankruptcies, but of course medical bankruptcies have continued and the actual number of uninsured remains around where it was before. The percentage of uninsured is a distraction anyway though, because insurance itself is only a meta-product, a piece of paper with writing on it or a set of pixels on a screen: the question is, are Americans healthier or living longer than people in other countries in exchange for spending more money? As the sarcastic comments above acknowledge implicitly, insurance serves no purpose at all other than affecting the probability of access to medical attention, and medical attention serves no purpose at all other than affecting the probability of health and survival. The only real benefit at issue, the only thing rational people would actually want from such a program, is health; given the huge cost we have incurred, have we received a commensurate benefit in terms of health? The answer is clearly no: Americans continue to pay more than anyone else in the history of the world for the privilege of dying sooner than people in dozens of other countries, in fact many Americans centuries ago lived longer than the average American does today. Oregon found no significant health improvement from expanding Medicaid (other than a financial benefit to the revenue recipients, aka the provider lobbies that wrote the legislation), and 50 years of Medicare have shown less than four years increase in life expectancy, much or most of which is due to fewer people smoking. Boosters of Obamneycare are reduced to saying that many of these problems were pre-existing conditions, ignoring that the Cult of Eternal Life Through Infinite Spending (Obamneycare) was supposed (somehow) to eliminate pre-existing conditions ("no more pre-existing conditions!"). The effect of the legislation was the opposite, to make those pre-existing conditions mandatory, entrenching the industry players with even more power (especially in the form of revenue) than ever before. The one thing the American system had going for it (that you could usually opt out of it) is gone. In its place, we have 30 pages of new tax forms and worksheets and instructions, in addition to the bug-infested website that serves erroneously everyone's information to who knows where, all to make us buy more pixels on a screen. "Thanks, Obamneycare!"

Meanwhile, this thread is yet another automated promotion of Obamneycare brought to you by tovbot, an owned subsidiary of PhRMA:

tovarichpeter says

my son, whose parents were divorced and had difficulty holding jobs, is now a biophysicist at Novartis

For more about PhRMA & Obamneycare, read how "Big Pharma colluded with the White House at the public's expense."

If PhRMA hadn't turned NIH into its own R&D department for daily pills, biophysicists might be able to work independently to invent new cures instead of PhRMA revenue models.

If tovbot's spawn got a job working for the Fed, PatNet readers might be bombarded with endless automated threads daily exhorting us all to buy mortgage backed securities. Although perhaps not spam, tovbot's automated threads illustrate the original Monty Python "spam" sketch.

If the answer to free speech is more speech, then the answer to tovbot's automatic pro-Novartis threads would be something like this:

Prosecutors in Tokyo raided the offices of the Swiss drug maker Novartis on Wednesday as part of an investigation into the alleged use of manipulated data to promote its best-selling blood pressure drug Diovan.

or this:

India's drug regulator has asked Novartis to explain "violations" in papers relating to the manufacturing origin of a veterinary drug, with a European agency having ruled that the document the Swiss company submitted was fake.

or this:

"Obamacare has specifically made negotiating drug prices by the federal government illegal for volume discount purchases, making many drugs unaffordable for patients.

Some, like Novartis' drug Gleevec, cost up to $90,000 per year for cancer treatment for patients, making them unaffordable for thousands suffering from leukemia. Most people in other countries pay for a small fraction of drug costs, but U.S. taxpayers have paid for most of the research and development through the National Institute of Health grants to academic and small private institutions. All the while drug companies reap the monopoly patent-induced profits."

It's tough to compete with a company that manipulates data, submits fake documents, and bribes politicians to mandate monopoly profits off the results of government funded research. It's even tougher if the company is part of an industry group that manipulates government research budgets to convert medical problems into chronic revenue models, rather than finding cures that would restore actual health. Finally, it may become impossible when that industry uses those monopoly profits to buy a tsunami of advertising, PR, and propaganda promoting the legislation that enables the game to continue. I suppose if you can't beat them, join them, but don't expect everyone else to applaud.

sbh   Mon, 23 Mar 2015, 5:53pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike (5)   Delete  Comment 10

If equality is your thing, socal, you can take the Greyhound into the Dixie bible-belt where the cost of living is lower and everyone is a toothless cretin with a transmission in the bathtub and a monthly draw check in the mailbox. Instant reward for the faithful: jesus makes certain the price of grits is low in Arkansas.

finehoe   Mon, 23 Mar 2015, 5:04pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike (1)   Delete  Comment 11

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative."

- John Stuart Mill

Call it Crazy   Mon, 23 Mar 2015, 8:42am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike (5)   Delete  Comment 12

iwog says

Okay I'm done.

Then why do you keep coming back??

Do you like to be slapped down multiple times? You're like a little yappy dog that tries to nip at your legs, gets repeatedly kicked in the teeth, but still keeps coming back for more...

iwog   Mon, 23 Mar 2015, 7:46am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike (4)   Delete  Comment 13

It's amazing watching an Austrian run away from a simple question. They really are roaches that scurry under the refrigerator when you turn the lights on.

Yes or no asshole. Answer the question.

mell   Sun, 22 Mar 2015, 9:02pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike   Delete  Comment 14

Nowadays ready if they are redefining their gender every 6 months.

Call it Crazy   Sun, 22 Mar 2015, 8:48pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike (3)   Delete  Comment 15

2015 checklist

Does the first grader have an iPhone6, an iPad, a Facebook and Instagram account and a Gmail account?

Check, they're ready!!

iwog   Sun, 22 Mar 2015, 7:20pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike (4)   Delete  Comment 16

Definition of an Austrian: Someone willing to give me a dislike in a thread calling him out but is too big of a chickenshit to answer a true or false question on economics.


sbh   Sun, 22 Mar 2015, 4:26pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike (4)   Delete  Comment 17

Nothing can change the trend on that graph. The only hope the wingnuts have is to gerrymander, suppress, and energize the white trash vote. On the opposite side, namely, those of us with opposable thumbs, let's take heart in idiots like Glenn Beck bailing from the GOP. If he can take the shiteater vote with him and waste it on some lunatic fringe (that's rich, a "lunatic fringe" within an already lunatic party) there's hope for western civilization.

Quigley   Sun, 22 Mar 2015, 11:17am PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (5)   Dislike   Delete  Comment 18

Ok I'll answer for Iwog, since he really hasn't. All of these charts can be explained by offshoring work, and repealed/relaxed labor laws that remove workers' rights, forcing them to compete for substandard employment.

The labor participation rate has fallen, less jobs available.
The avg worker makes less money.
There are fewer homeowners, thanks to the above conditions combined with the housing collapse of 2008.
Less money earned by workers means less to tax, meaning less tax receipts for the federal government. Thus, to fund the corporate tax breaks, the endless wars, and provide basic assistance to the unemployed masses (Thanks offshoring!) the government has to borrow massive amounts of money to make up the difference.

In other words, when you destroy the middle class, you destroy the economy. It matters not that Richie Rich investor has a fat wallet and can make investments, because with less market demand for everything, he won't bother. Instead he will invest in some REITs that buy up all available housing in an area (with sweetheart deals from federal agencies like Fannie Mae) so he can jack up the rent and sqeeze the employed people a little harder! There's just GOT to be some juice left in this stone!
So yah, we are fucked, but it wasn't obama who fucked us in this way. That was done years ago by the party of the rich, and aided by a lying Arkansas governor.

control point   Thu, 26 Mar 2015, 8:49pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike (1)   Delete  Comment 19

indigenous says

IIRC you are the failed Austrian? Anyway yup I win every debate with you.

I'm just happy to be mentioned here. Also glad to finally understand what is required for "WINNING!!"

Bigsby   Thu, 26 Mar 2015, 8:17pm PDT   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (4)   Dislike (1)   Delete  Comment 20

Strategist says

Bigsby says

You couldn't have come up with something new during your absence?

Give him a break Bigs. The German aircraft just crashed.

Two seconds after something like that is long enough for him to come up with some harebrained explanation. After all, it's purely an issue of imagination.

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