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Romney Wins Debate #1 Hands Down; Style Over Substance; Tweedledum vs. Tweedlede

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Romney Wins Debate #1 Hands Down, Not Even Close; Style Over Substance; Tweedledum vs. Tweedledee
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1. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 246 threads 4,658 comments

   26   12:06pm Thu 4 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike (3)   If only Obama had his Def Comedy Jam audience last night. He would have killed.

2. 37108605 Follow Befriend 1 threads 1,055 comments

   27   12:08pm Thu 4 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   CaptainShuddup says If only Obama had his Def Comedy Jam audience last night. He would have killed. I'm a Lawyer too, what do I win? Hey even GORE had a remark about it!

3. 37108605 Follow Befriend 1 threads 1,055 comments

   28   12:09pm Thu 4 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (3)   Al Gore Blames The Altitude For Obama's Poor Performance http://youtu.be/jm9BoM2Q81c

4. Call it Crazy Follow Befriend 228 threads 2,748 comments

   29   12:11pm Thu 4 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   CaptainShuddup says Oh well I guess the Liberal elite plan of dazzling them with education, flair and style backfired and bit Barry in the Ass. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The republicans are good at taking the race fixing measures the Liberals create and ripping it from the shoulder socket and bludgeoning them over the heads with it. Wow, somebody really got you fired up today!!! Nice visual, got a link to the youtube video?? I bet it would be a good one!!

5. Nobody Follow Befriend 10 threads 272 comments San Jose, CA

   30   12:50pm Thu 4 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   I thought the debate was about one's policy rather than winning or losing. So did you like what Romney said or what Obama said?

6. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 246 threads 4,658 comments

   31   12:53pm Thu 4 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   I liked what Romney said. He was saying what Obama sez, he just has a broader net of who benefits from the efforts. Obama couldn't be me more complacent about he plight of economic, energy, and health policy in America. Especially when it comes to the middle class. Obama loathes the Rich, throws the poor a deflated life raft, but the middle class just doesn't even register on his scale of "Giveacrapness".

7. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 246 threads 4,658 comments

   32   1:02pm Thu 4 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)   Call it Crazy says Nice visual, got a link to the youtube video?? I bet it would be a good one!!

8. FlashGordon Follow Befriend 1 threads 13 comments

   33   2:44pm Thu 4 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike (1)   Who says there is too much anger in politics. After the debate:

9. Michael Cooke Follow Befriend 2 threads 61 comments

   34   3:15pm Thu 4 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Reader says Michael Cooke says The geriatric moderating the debate was very irritating. He kept losing control and costing time throughout. Man needs to go to the nursing home. How old was this man? I am under 50 but I can tell you right now to me you have not only no respect but you also appear to have been brought up under a rock to speak such a way about an older man. One day YOU too will be that man's age, and frankly you could only wish at that age you would have half that man's journalist credibility to have the same honour of hosting a presidential debate. Reader He is too old and feeble to host a Presidential debate. Next time the television producers will think twice before depending on a moderator who wears depends. He needs to be spoon fed clam chowder at the nursing home.

10. SFace Follow Befriend (2) 60 threads 1,297 comments Premium

    35   3:30pm Thu 4 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Protected   Nobody says I thought the debate was about one's policy rather than winning or losing. So did you like what Romney said or what Obama said? I can't tell. With Obama, I know what I will get. Some good, some bad. The records speak for themselves and the results are measurable. Essentially, I already know Obama's thought process. With Mitt, I'm a little confused. Balance the budget but don't explain how, lower the tax rate for everyone but don't explain which tax dedutions to take away. Worst, I felt Mitt was contradicting himself as if he cares about the middle class all of a sudden and his talking point all of a sudden molded differently. I have been following his campaign especially the primaries. Little bit of a changeup. In any case, it was set up for Mitt to win as the economy, employment, budget, healthcare leads 100's of talking points and really too much for the incumbent to defend. But from my perspective, Mitt is not the answer. It doen't really matter, 50% will think one way and another 50% the other.

11. Ceffer Follow Befriend 6 threads 642 comments Pleasanton, CA

    36   4:37pm Thu 4 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Reader says Al Gore Blames The Altitude For Obama's Poor Performance http://youtu.be/jm9BoM2Q81c Reader Man, that was hilarious. Haven't seen Gore for a while, looks like he has been tanking like Charles Bukowski, even the make up can't hide the Ted Kennedy bloat and gin blossoms. Except that Romney was in the same air as Obama, bit of an equalizer there. Maybe Romney was high on erythropoeitin and O2 and was tapping on his ruby Republican slippers, that must explain it. The great Obama Oz deflated. Saw Sharpton on TV at the gym looking pie eyed and hysterical, looks like he is fearful that even the minorities might not vote for Obama, they need a major psycho BS injection.

12. Vicente Follow Befriend (8) 203 threads 4,403 comments Davis, CA

    37   4:42pm Thu 4 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   SFace says Worst, I felt Mitt was contradicting himself as if he cares about the middle class all of a sudden and his talking point all of a sudden molded differently. I have been following his campaign especially the primaries. Little bit of a changeup. We already know Romney despises "the middle class". It's not a little of a changeup, it's bald-faced lies when you know his true face is guffawing with his Richie Rich friends about how "my job is not to worry about THOSE people".

13. CrazyMan Follow Befriend 448 comments Campbell, CA

    38   4:53pm Thu 4 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Same thing every 4 years. Giant douche or a turd sandwich, take your pick.

14. Ceffer Follow Befriend 6 threads 642 comments Pleasanton, CA

    39   5:34pm Thu 4 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   FlashGordon says Who says there is too much anger in politics. After the debate: But if you leave the toilet seat up, it's over!

15. JohnLaw Follow Befriend 1 threads 133 comments

    40   6:46pm Thu 4 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I totally agree with Mish. Tweedledee and Tweedledum. The debate did not change my support for Gary Johnson, it just further confirmed it. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2012/10/04/presidential-debate-gary-johnson-libertarian/1610587/

16. HEY YOU Follow Befriend (4) 328 threads 913 comments

    41   6:58pm Thu 4 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Mish, Who's Dee & who's Dum? I'm confused. A word you used in another post on your site, they remind me of "Pigeon"s as in bird brains.

17. kentm Follow Befriend (1) 117 threads 971 comments

    42   6:13am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   "When I got on the stage, I met this very spirited fellow who claimed to be Mitt Romney. But it couldn't have been Mitt Romney, because the real Mitt Romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts that favor the wealthy. The fellow on stage last night said he didn't know anything about that. The real Mitt Romney said we don't need any more teachers in our classrooms, but the fellow on stage last night, he loves teachers, can't get enough of them. The Mitt Romney we all know invested in companies that were called pioneers of outsourcing jobs to other countries, but the guy on stage last night said he doesn't even know that there were such laws that encourage outsourcing. He's never heard of them! Never heard of tax breaks for companies that shift jobs overseas? He said that if it's true he must need a new accountant. Now, we know for sure it was not the real Mitt Romney because he seems to be doing just fine with his current accountant. So, you see, the man on stage last night does not want to be held accountable for the real Mitt Romney's decisions and what he's been saying for the last year. And that's because he knows full well that we don't want what he's been selling for the last year. So Governor Romney may dance around his positions, but if you want to be president you owe the American people the truth. So here's the truth: Governor Romney cannot cannot pay for his $5 trillion tax plan his tax plan without blowing up the deficit or sticking it to the middle class. That's the math. We can't afford to go down that road again. We can't afford another round of budget busting tax cuts for the wealthy. We can't afford to gut our investments in education or clean energy or research and technology. We can't afford to roll back regulations on Wall Street, or oil companies, or insurance companies. We cannot afford to double down on the same top down economic policies that got us into this mess. That is not a plan to create jobs. That is not a plan to grow the economy. That is not a plan to create change. That is a relapse. We don't want to go back there. We've tried it. It didn't work and we are not going back. We are going forward."

18. kentm Follow Befriend (1) 117 threads 971 comments

    43   6:22am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   My notion is that the O plan for the debate was basically a version of "give 'em enough rope..." which may the case. Nobody remembers the actual debates much, but what we are treated to now is a ton of analysis by the media and one thing seems to emerging, that O underperformed and that M continued his game plan of, well, lying. Certainly O and the dems are having a field day with much of what M said during the debate, making it clearer and clearer that M basically stands for nothing that anyone can pin him down on.

19. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,054 comments

    44   6:45am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   After seeing both candidates together, many independents prefer the guy who lost the debate. There's just something about that guy that "won." You might call it 'the douchebag factor." http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/04/1140220/-Romney-gains-after-debate-with-Republicans-Obama-with-independents?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews

20. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 246 threads 4,658 comments

    45   6:48am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   marcus says After seeing both candidates together, many independents prefer the guy who lost the debate. There's just something about that guy that "won." I can promise after the sad display Obama has exhibited over the last 4 years, there's nothing about another politician taking Obama to the woodshed, that will make an Independent feel sorry for"Wish in one hand and shit in the other, and see which one fills up quicker" Obama.

21. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,054 comments

    46   6:51am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike

22. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,054 comments

    47   6:53am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   On the bright side for Romney, his favorability with republicans went up !

23. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 246 threads 4,658 comments

    48   7:01am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (3)   Ah a spread sheet, that must be accurate, only neutral news organizations own a copy of excel, and the only way to get a value in a cell, a number will magically appear if it is indeed an undisputed fact. Lies will self delete. We added 104K jobs last month but unemployment fell to 7.8% from 8.4%. I believe any number the Liberals will be putting out from the Ministry of Misinformation and Propaganda. Romney pandered to the Independents Wed night. Obama never has since day one of coming into office. It's quite safe to say Independents are done. Even the CNN live panel favored Romney and said his performance gave them a favorable opinion of him. Now this was in conjunction with CNN having a professional pundit panel to discuss the results, that were majority Democrat. They were besides them selves that their independent panel backfired on them. There were a major show of hands, that were favorable to Romney.

24. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,054 comments

    49   7:03am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   CaptainShuddup says only neutral news organizations own a copy of excel, and the only way to get a value in a cell, a number will magically appear if it is indeed an undisputed fact. Lies will self delete. Tho poll was from Ipsos/Reuters. I did provide a link, but I know you don't like to read.

25. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,054 comments

    50   7:05am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   CaptainShuddup says There were a major show of hands, that were favorable to Romney. I'll say it again slowly for you. The independents preferred the guy who lost. MAybe a lot of that are women, who just found the old stressed out guy who shakes his head like Reagan and got all aggressive to be a turn off. What are you gonna do ?

26. Call it Crazy Follow Befriend 228 threads 2,748 comments

    51   7:08am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   marcus says Nice, showing us your Excel abilities??

27. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,054 comments

    52   7:09am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   MAybe independents have a thing against liars who seem to lack integrity (even if they can win a debate).

28. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,054 comments

    53   7:10am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Call it Crazy says Nice, showing us your Excel abilities?? Right. Like I put that together. Ever heard of Reuters ?

29. StoutFiles Follow Befriend (1) 24 threads 557 comments

    54   7:14am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   Obama didn't do much of anything positive. However, Romney's promises are laughable, similar to Obama's promises four years ago. People just eat this stuff up though. I hope I can get out of this country before these greedy lying bastards run it straight into the ground, grab their bags of money, and leave.

30. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 246 threads 4,658 comments

    55   7:30am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   StoutFiles says However, Romney's promises are laughable, similar to Obama's promises four years ago. True, how ever, it's the other liar's time for 4 years then he's out. Let's hope that by 2016, Independent voters will have more voting rights, and a greater say in who is nominated. Closed Primaries is a crime against Democracy when you consider 1/3 of the American voting public identify them selves as No party affiliation. The Majority of Ron Paul's supporters were Independents or disillusioned Democrats, they were not allowed to voice their choice in the Republican primaries. That is how we ended up with Romney. The same can be said for 2008, we ended up with a race between Obama and Clinton, because Independents and Republicans couldn't vote Kusinich in the Democrat primaries. One third of America is a modern example of Taxation with out representation.

31. zzyzzx Follow Befriend (9) 410 threads 4,107 comments Baltimore, MD

    56   7:46am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)

32. bdrasin Follow Befriend 6 threads 488 comments Alameda, CA

    57   8:03am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   marcus says MAybe independents have a thing against liars who seem to lack integrity (even if they can win a debate). We'll have to wait a few days to see how this plays out in polling. I hope you are right of course. There's also the interrupting, treating the moderator like his lackey. Could be interpreted as alpha male or bully behavior.

33. CaptainShuddup Follow Befriend (1) 246 threads 4,658 comments

    58   8:16am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   bdrasin says There's also the interrupting, treating the moderator like his lackey. Could be interpreted as alpha male or bully behavior. Oh bullshit, both were guilty of overstepping their time to get their point in. "I had 5 seconds before you interrupted me" - Obama then took 3 minutes to finish his point. But none of that bothers me, to be fair, both candidates should be able to speak. Two minutes is a poor amount of time. The biggest comments from blogs, threads and news comments, is "He didn't go into detail to explain his position" well it's damn hard to explain anything in great detail when you have a Chess clock, and a moderator that cuts you off mid sentence. When I was told by a Liberal last Friday during lunch. I was assured Obama was going to destroy Romney, because there wasn't going to be any typical moderation as we knew it. Both candidates were going to be given a topic and they have to explain their position. Instead of moderators asking lame questions that are of no interest to your average voter. Now I welcome that, and it's an excellent format but it needs some tweaking. I think there should be less interference from the Moderator. And OH! Obama clearly did NOT destroy Romney. I think that's why Liberals now have sour grapes about the debate format that THEY championed.

34. PolishKnight Follow Befriend (1) 408 comments Reston, VA

    59   8:17am Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (3)   Spin it as best you can folks. Another way to translate it: "It's not fair!!! Waaah!!!! Obama is great no matter what he does! Waaah!" Real presidential. Americans love voting for a Sore Loser. When's Al Gore going to run again?

35. Michael Cooke Follow Befriend 2 threads 61 comments

    60   12:22pm Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike

36. zzyzzx Follow Befriend (9) 410 threads 4,107 comments Baltimore, MD

    61   12:49pm Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (2)   Romney now ahead if Florida: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/florida/election_2012_florida_president Romney now ahead in Virginia: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/virginia/election_2012_virginia_president Romney now ahead in Ohio: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/ohio/election_2012_ohio_president Romney ahead in New Hampshire: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/new_hampshire/election_2012_new_hampshire_president Romney ahead in Colorado: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_presidential_election/colorado/election_2012_colorado_president

37. edvard2 Follow Befriend 34 threads 2,085 comments

    62   2:45pm Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   The combined poll site I read still shows Obama still clearly ahead in all of those states not to mention about a 75% change of winning the overall electoral vote. So in other words... nothing has changed. sorry.

38. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,054 comments

    63   3:35pm Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Yep, hope springs eternal. The money (which means a lot more than the sound around here coming out of random orafices) briefly had Romney up to where you would only get 2:1 odds betting on him. But it's drifting the other way now. iem had Romney briefly up around .32 (reflecting almost a one in three chance of winning). But down around .28 now. http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/quotes/Pres12_quotes.html

39. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 166 threads 5,054 comments

    64   3:38pm Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   What is this rasmussen anyway ? How come the people betting their hard earned money on the election ignore rasmussen. I wonder why ?

40. CL Follow Befriend (12) 140 threads 1,355 comments Emeryville, CA

    65   3:52pm Fri 5 Oct 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Here in the real, non-Rasmussen world, Romney-bot isn't winning his home state. At least, if you consider Massachusetts his home state. Isn't that usually something the somebodies make something about? Seemed like Gore's "mending fences" concession speech was a recognition of such.

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