WatchHere's an odd side effect of South Florida's foreclosure crisis: Some immense homes with pools and three-car garages in gated communities are being rented out to unlikely tenants — poor people paying with Section 8 aid.
I don't have a problem with government assisted housing, but there's a difference between my tax dollars providing someone with shelter versus providing someone with luxury. The house I rent with my own money is shit compared to these houses.
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Ironic, I brought something up I heard about South Florida in another thread. The issue of very nice neighborhoods houses being occupied by numerous trucks of people. Something about the entire thing smells and I agree Sec. 8 is not for these people to be living in luxury. It is assistance. What is this shite? Do they think they have a right to live in luxury off our tax dollars? Is this their warped view of Change You Can Believe In?
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Greed is universal. Any person will take as much as they can get from a system. The solution is to prevent the possibility of parasitic behavior whether that behavior is done by the rich or the poor. All subsidies must address this problem.
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Dan8267 says
The problem is this crew in office is out to make Sec 8 feel they are owed luxury, that it's their right, hence proliferation of this kind of situation is no surprise right now.
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Any proof of that, or is it just something you want to believe?
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Patrick says
Which party historically supports all the welfare programmes? The social programmes?
And if they are being allowed to live in luxury neighbourhoods and housing on Sec 8 what is one to make of it?
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Everyone knows that Section 8 beneficiaries just drive around with the HUD person and point at the house they want - after they take a shit in the pool and praise allah.
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Well, here is my take if they have them in Sec 8 and they are paying their housing, plus food, plus phones, etc. etc. etc. off my and others tax dollars what pray tell does that say? They are encouraging them to go to work?
And frankly, yes I am pissed off and mad as hell because I pay my own way. I am not about to PAY a premium to live somewhere and have them around me.
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What next? Sec 8 cards for Rodeo Drive shopping sprees? Maybe even a private driver to take them (they pay for transporation anyway.)
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Social security is luxury? Ask anyone who has to live on it.
Medicaid is luxury? Ask the people who are eligible but who can't find a doctor because the payments are so low.
And even in this supposed case of the poor living in luxury is not quite what the headline says:
So the rent per person is what? Less than $200 per month.
And what do you have against private property rights? If someone owns a big house, shouldn't they be allowed to rent it to whomever they want?
Is actually mostly the ultra-rich who are living in luxury off of your tax dollars, by making you pay their taxes for them and manipulating the government to restrict or eliminate free market competition in their industries (especially real estate, pharma, telecoms). That keeps you obeying their orders -- your boss is their representative.
All the ultra rich have to do is poke that nerve with their red-hot needle: "Psst, the poor are living in luxury off your taxes" and BINGO! You look away from them, down instead of up, and they laugh as they congratulate themselves on just how easy it is to divide and conquer the smelly proles.
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Social Security is paid into by the individual please don't put that in the same catagory as WELFARE.
Medicaid is taken at all clincs and all county hospitals. What do they want for free? Swiss doctors of the highest order?
Btw $3375 is far from WELFARE level housing by anyone's standard.
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Everyone I know on Social Security are getting more than they can spend on it.
Look at the maximum benefit and see if you can live off it if your house and car are paid off and you otherwise had no debts when you retired. Looks easily possible to me.
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For 17 to 22 people?
Actually, sounds a lot like welfare-level housing if you read the article: ""The house is dirty and the carpets are extremely nasty," a Broward Sheriff's Office report states."
I don't think any able-bodied person should just be able to live off the work of others forever without doing or having done anything productive. Do you agree?
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The Republicans.
Republican representative and 59th Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert sponsored the legislation creating Medicare Part D, the Republican controlled 108th congress passed it, and Bush 43 signed it. That's a trillion dollars of welfare decade. One million million dollars. $1,000,000,000,000.
Even Saint Reagan contributed to the problem with the Reagan Tax Reform Act of 1986 which expanded the refundable Earned Income Tax Credit knocking 6,000,000 low earners off the tax rolls.
Democrats on the other hand are against welfare. Clinton angered liberals by signing the 1996 welfare reform bill which in his own words "did in fact end welfare as we knew it", put a five year limit on benefits, and required recipients to work.
Being able to pick facts to support or slam either party doesn't change the fact that they're both acting on behalf of the people who pay to elect them at the expense of the rest of us (Sometimes we get something in return as a side effect, like Medicare Part D benefits which go with the trillion dollar funnel to the pharmaceutical industry but that's not the intent) . It does distract people so they don't notice how much "their" party is screwing them.
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APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says
I'd pay to see a movie about that!
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drew_eckhardt says
Yes, corporate welfare stinks to high heaven and is somehow never mentioned in welfare and luxury discussions in the mainstream press.
Look up Billy Tauzin, the creator of that particular redistribution of a trillion dollars from the poor and middle class to to the rich.
The solution, IMHO, is publicly funded elections, so congressmen don't have to suck Billy's willie to get re-elected.
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RichH says
How much of that time were you housing 21 additional people in the same place? 16? 9? 7? 6? Those were the numbers which came from the article
$3375 rent - 17 in government records, 22 counted in an in-person visit for
$153-$198/person
$2250 rent - eight for $281/person
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You got it!
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drew_eckhardt says
WTF? I think not. One signature by one President does not make an entire party swing their modus operandi.
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drew_eckhardt says
Medicare isn't WELFARE. It's bad enough SS is as low as it is and Medicare itself pays so little WHILE IT IS PAID monthly to have it.
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I guess the two who disliked this statement are on Sec 8.
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It isn't an issue of the amount of people it has to do with the intent of the original property, design, neighborhood make up, location and yes PRICE.
I could jam 500 into a Beverly Hills or Palm Beach mansion does that mean Sec 8 should gather them all up and move them in? COME ON.
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This is pretty comical.
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It is crazy making when you are a working person and the s-8 tenants live free off taxpayer and work under the table jobs and dont even pay taxes!
Here is how to turn it around: as a working person, you are able to GET A LOAN to buy a house to then rent out to an s-8 tenant and then you will see the S-8 $ go into your own pocket and your attitude will change. (you then be a democrat)
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The problem with SS and Medicare is that you get more benefit than you pay in and that will eventually collapse everything. Blame whoever you want to, costly doctors, insurance companies, fraud etc. but you cannot escape the math. I am all up for prosecuting fraud and reign in on greed, but as it stands right now social security and/or medicare recipients get MORE than they paid in. Doesn't mean they have a great life or any luxury, but it is NOT fair to kick the can down the road and put the burden onto future generations until there is a collapse. This is just one more example of misuse and scam but I don't know how pervasive it is.
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mell says
I believe there is plenty of fraud in the system. For example all these sudden permanent disabilities. I also do not see where one gets more than they pay in just add up your deductions and total it. The result is far more than the benefit amount over time.
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When I'm up in Salt Lake City, I see plenty of empty McMansions. The state really over-built on 4000+ sq. foot stuff. Many of those houses have SECOND kitchens in the basements ... with private entrances for the basement.
To me the solution is easy: Put a door with a two-way deadbolt on the staircase and rent 'em out as duplexes.
Too bad all the cities like S. Jordan and Pleasant Grove tend to frown on unauthorized "duplexing" of their swanky neighborhoods.
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If we could just get rid of all zoning, all our problems would go away. We could sublet 8 people into a 3000 square foot house, for $150/mo. apiece. We could start chicken farms in our front yard to subsidize our mortgages. Open a restaurant inside our garages. DOWN WITH ZONING!!!
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Perfect, perfect, perfect get all of the proles blaming each other for the their problems and the countries problems.
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Patrick says
I'm no expert on Section 8, but from what I do know of it, I'd be surprised if a dozen or more people living in a house were permitted by the law. Also, the dirty carpets, poor condition, etc. I think violates another tenet of Section 8 - that properties are inspected for habitability and condition prior to be accepted into the program.
E.g., http://www3.lacdc.org/CDCWebsite/AH/Owners.aspx?id=508
Also, in renting an apartment once, that had some appeal to Section 8 tenants, I didn't advertise it as Section 8, but I said I'd consider it. It was only a matter of time into the discussion with the prospective tenant before almost invariably - I think there was only one exception, if i recall correctly - there was some sort of scam / fraud against the program they wanted me to participate in. Write up the lease with less rent 'because it looks better'. 'Don't put X on the lease, she isn't supposed to live with us.' 'I can do a side lease with everyone, but I also need an official lease with just me.' Etc.
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JG1 says
Many areas have occupancy laws on how many unrelated people can live in a single family house, and how many in a house per bedroom.
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Ah hah hah ha!
Get some! We cretins have been blessed with the section 8 neighbors for a long time now. It's about time the Starbucks crowd gets to experience the everybody is a winner mentality. Be sure to throw in "You People" when you're asking them if they can turn down their bass music, or when you ask them to ask their special friends, to stop firing that assault riffle in your house's direction when they ride by at 2am. They really really really like that.