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Innocence of Muslims

By Dan8267   Follow   Thu, 20 Sep 2012, 2:50pm   6,993 views   107 comments
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Wow, I'm surprised that this thread hasn't been opened yet, it's as if no one wanted to touch this. Well, we are so going there.

The trailer makes the movie look pretty amateurish and childish. Nevertheless, the reaction has been extremely violent including the murder of a U.S. ambassador.

Now you can shrug off the film itself as being childish and stupid, but the reaction just proves that the world would be better off without religion. Without superstitious beliefs, there would be fewer things to threaten the peace, safety, and freedom of the world.

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1. Bigsby Follow Befriend 2,826 comments Monterey, CA

   68   6:36pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Bap33 says paint mohamad as Bozo the clown with big boobs, in black or white, and you will be murdered. Yes or no? I don't know. There are a lot of very twisted people on this planet who seem quite happy to murder for no reason at all. And they aren't all Muslim.

2. Patrick Follow Befriend (54) 5,191 threads 6,158 comments 46 male Menlo Park, CA

   69   6:43pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   But the random violent weirdos are vastly outnumbered by the throngs of Muslims you see baying for the blood of infidels who dare to insult Mohammed. I once had a talk at work with a Pakistani guy about the violent crazies in Islam. He said they were only 10% to 20% of the population, so I shouldn't be too worried about them. I pointed out that there are about 180 million people in Pakistan. So that means there are 18 million to 36 million violent crazies I should not be worried about. And that's just Pakistan...

3. thunderlips11 Follow Befriend (13) 53 threads 2,644 comments Premium

   70   6:49pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   A War with India will fix that 10-20%. They'll volunteer for the front lines and get capped by Sikhs and Gurkhas.

4. Bigsby Follow Befriend 2,826 comments Monterey, CA

   71   6:55pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Patrick says But the random violent weirdos are vastly outnumbered by the throngs of Muslims you see baying for the blood of infidels who dare to insult Mohammed. I once had a talk at work with a Pakistani guy about the violent crazies in Islam. He said they were only 10% to 20% of the population, so I shouldn't be too worried about them. I pointed out that there are about 180 million people in Pakistan. So that means there are 18 million to 36 million violent crazies I should not be worried about. And that's just Pakistan... A lack of education, poverty, leaders taking advantage of them... There's a reason why you see a lot more of this in countries like Pakistan than you do in the wealthier Muslim countries. Look, I'm not denying that many Muslims are far too sensitive to criticism, cynical or otherwise, of their religion, but Christianity wasn't so different not that long ago. There's just nothing particularly unusual about it. Hopefully, it will change in time.

5. Patrick Follow Befriend (54) 5,191 threads 6,158 comments 46 male Menlo Park, CA

   72   7:14pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   Yes, I'm sure it's true that ignorance, poverty, and the inability to protest their own leaders without getting murdered helps to lead them them to protest silly things like that very bad movie clip instead of their own lack of basic human rights and economic opportunity. But I've read quite a bit about Islam now and I'm pretty sure it's not at all like Christianity in spite of the superficial similarlity between intolerance in current Islam and intolerance in medieval Christianity. Remind me now because I can't remember -- who did Jesus murder or rape? Mohammed approved the murders of a 100 year old man and a pregnant woman who wrote comic poems about him (Abu Afak and Asma Bint Marwan), slept with a 9-year old girl (Aisha), raped a new "wife" on the day he murdered her father and brother (Safiya), beheaded 700 Jews after they surrendered, and much more that just cannot be considered humane, let alone "a model for all humanity". And this is official Islamic history, not slander. With a role model like that, slander is not necessary. Just a recitation of their official history will do.

6. Bigsby Follow Befriend 2,826 comments Monterey, CA

   73   7:23pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   There's a lot in the Bible that raises an eyebrow or two as well, and there certainly seems to have been enough to allow believers to freely practice torture and murder. Anybody can select things from religious texts to fit their purposes. To me, it's not the text that's the real issue, it's the way that people decide to use the text. There are plenty of Muslims who do good, and there are Muslims who do terrible things. Much like with Christians and all other religions. The difference doesn't seem to be in the book, but in the people.

7. thunderlips11 Follow Befriend (13) 53 threads 2,644 comments Premium

   74   7:24pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   The answer is that they need to have their own bloodbath, their 30 Years' War. Let the Shi'a and Sunni have it out, give arms to both sides, they'll get so tired of bloodshed it'll all blow over and they'll return to reality. Desert people, the sun bakes their brains and shortens their tempers. Afghanistan is a great place to let it rip. Anybody who thinks the Mayor of Kabul... oops, I mean the President of Afghanistan, has any real power or influence enough to bring a stable, semi-democratic, halfway reasonable government is kidding themselves. He can't even control Kabul without NATO troops backing him up.

8. Patrick Follow Befriend (54) 5,191 threads 6,158 comments 46 male Menlo Park, CA

   75   7:33pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   To me, it's not the text that's the real issue No, the text is the real issue because it teaches the followers of the religion what is right and what is wrong. Jesus did not rape or murder. Mohammed did, according to their own texts. Jesus willingly allowed himself to be murdered to save others, or so the Christian text goes, which is the critical point. Most Muslims are fine and decent people, but that's because they do not try to imitate Mohammed all that closely. The 10% or so who really try to imitate him are the problem, exactly because of the stories about what Mohammed did. Sure, the Old Testament has lots of violence, such as the attempted murder of Isaac by his father, the genocidal wars against various tribes (Amalekites, etc), and so on, but Christians are supposed to imitate Jesus, not those things. Muslims are supposed to imitate Mohammed, and that's a whopping huge difference.

9. Bap33 Follow Befriend (3) 12 threads 3,101 comments

   76   8:20pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   excellant job on that one Patrick. Excellant.

10. Bigsby Follow Befriend 2,826 comments Monterey, CA

    77   9:08pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Patrick says No, the text is the real issue because it teaches the followers of the religion what is right and what is wrong. Well, we disagree. The vast majority of Muslims are not violent individuals and have a pretty good idea of what is right and wrong. Anybody can use a text to their own ends. One person can read the Qur'an and go out and spend their life helping others, whilst another might be brainwashed from an early age by a Wahhabist preacher in some extremist Madrasah in a lost in time part of Pakistan and end up blowing up a cafe filled with fellow Muslims. The book is the same, the outcome rather different. Patrick says Most Muslims are fine and decent people, but that's because they do not try to imitate Mohammed all that closely. The 10% or so who really try to imitate him are the problem, exactly because of the stories about what Mohammed did. I don't know what you mean by that. I'd say those who commit atrocities do so for far more complex reasons than 'trying to imitate Mohammed.'

11. Raw Follow Befriend 10 threads 694 comments

    78   9:21pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Bigsby says I don't know what you mean by that. I'd say those who commit atrocities do so for far more complex reasons than simply 'trying to imitate Mohammed.' Who was being imitated here? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1099447/Saudi-court-tells-girl-aged-EIGHT-divorce-husband-50-years-senior.html

12. APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich Follow Befriend (28) 171 threads 4,227 comments Premium

    79   9:29pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   Patrick says but Christians are supposed to imitate Jesus, not those things. Muslims are supposed to imitate Mohammed, and that's a whopping huge difference. The Gospel of Thomas has all sorts of great Killer Jesus scenes that would have made the religion a lot more fun if it'd been adopted as canon.

13. Bigsby Follow Befriend 2,826 comments Monterey, CA

    80   1:52am Mon 24 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Raw says Who was being imitated here? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1099447/Saudi-court-tells-girl-aged-EIGHT-divorce-husband-50-years-senior.html Nobody.

14. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    81   7:33am Mon 24 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says The Gospel of Thomas has all sorts of great Killer Jesus scenes that would have made the religion a lot more fun if it'd been adopted as canon. Wasn't that stuff in the Gospel of Judas?

15. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    82   7:36am Mon 24 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Raw says I'm a Godless Heathen going to hell. I blame all the religions. They all have blood on their hands, every one of them. Amen! Those damned Mennonites should be put in prison where they belong. They are a plague on humanity which must be exterminated.

16. thunderlips11 Follow Befriend (13) 53 threads 2,644 comments Premium

    83   7:36am Mon 24 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Jesus is Damien Thorne in the Infancy Gospel of Thomas. 3. And the son of Annas the scribe was standing there with Joseph; and he took a willow branch, and let out the waters which Jesus bad collected. And Jesus, seeing what was done, was angry, and said to him: O wicked, impious, and foolish! what harm did the pools and the waters do to thee? Behold, even now thou shalt be dried up like a tree, and thou shalt not bring forth either leaves, or root,2 or fruit. And straightway that boy was quite dried up. And Jesus departed, and went to Joseph's house. But the parents of the boy that had been dried up took him up, bewailing his youth, and brought him to Joseph, and reproached him because, said they, thou hast such a child doing such things.3 4. After that He was again passing through the village; and a boy ran up against Him, and struck His shoulder. And Jesus was angry, and said to him: Thou shalt not go back the way thou camest. And immediately he fell down dead. And some who saw what had taken place, said: Whence was this child begotten, that every word of his is certainly accomplished? And the parents of the dead boy went away to Joseph, and blamed him, saying: Since thou hast such a child, it is impossible for thee to live with us in the village; or else teach him to bless, and not to curse:4 for he is killing our children. http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/infancythomas-a-roberts.html I'm sorry for denying you the honeyed locust cakes thrice, baby Jesus!

17. Raw Follow Befriend 10 threads 694 comments

    84   3:42pm Mon 24 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   This says it all. Muslims believe they have Allah given rights to impose their values and laws on us. Dr. Wafaa Sultan is a Lebanese Arab practicing in Long Brach, Ca. Like all apostates she has a price on her head. http://www.mrctv.org/videos/dr-wafa-sultan-exposes-islamic-values-sheikh-omar-bakri-muhammad

18. Raw Follow Befriend 10 threads 694 comments

    85   4:00pm Mon 24 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Bigsby says Raw says Who was being imitated here? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1099447/Saudi-court-tells-girl-aged-EIGHT-divorce-husband-50-years-senior.html Nobody. We all know why don't we? http://global-security-news.com/2011/10/26/saudi-arabia-child-marriage-the-hadiths-and-the-islamophobia-card/

19. leo707 Follow Befriend (12) 10 threads 3,516 comments Oakland, CA leo707's website Premium

    86   4:05pm Mon 24 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Patrick says The deliberate terroristic intimidation of people exercising their basic human right to free speech is the perfect definition of intolerance. Islam attacks all human beings every time anyone is threatened or killed for insulting Mohammed. Here is another quote for you. "The people who preach 'Allahu akbar' had better find out that there's a stronger force than them and one that also has unalterable convictions and principles and that can also be offended and that they offend it at their peril." -Christopher Hitchens

20. Bap33 Follow Befriend (3) 12 threads 3,101 comments

    87   8:52pm Mon 24 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Bigsby says The vast majority of Muslims are not violent individuals and have a pretty good idea of what is right and wrong. ya .. right .... only the ones that think it is "right" to follow the teachings of moha-mad think it is ok to murder, bring mayhem, rape, and do evil to all non-islamuslamites. Insane.

21. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 770 threads 7,714 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

    88   11:09pm Mon 24 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   thunderlips11 says My car, my computer, and the fallen branch in my backyard doesn't have rights, either. I beg to differ.

22. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 770 threads 7,714 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

    89   11:15pm Mon 24 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Bap33 says Honest question: does your opinion include Chic-fa-la owners? No one has ever threatened the free speech rights of the Chick-fil-A owners or executives. What happened is that people who oppose bigotry decided to boycott the restaurant and people who are bigots against homosexuals decided to stuff their faces at Chick-fil-A. Both sides are free to exercise their opinions. The government, however, is not free to discriminate against homosexuals in regards to marriage. The Fourteenth Amendment and the Supreme Court case Loving vs Virginia unequivocally state that. To this date, no conservative has ever dared to contradict me on this indisputable fact.

23. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 770 threads 7,714 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

    90   11:18pm Mon 24 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   Bap33 says only the ones that think it is "right" to follow the teachings of moha-mad think it is ok to murder, bring mayhem, rape, and do evil to all non-islamuslamites. Insane. Insane, a word that describes all of religion and superstitious beliefs. Nevertheless, bap's posting illustrates that religious tolerance is determined by how similar that religion is to your own. At least I am consistent in opposing all religion and doing so with reason instead of violence, threats, and the law.

24. deepcgi Follow Befriend 103 comments

    91   11:24pm Mon 24 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   When the film gets a violent reaction, the producer of the film is proven correct. If the outcry from the more reasonable and less extremist muslims remains stronger against the filmmaker than against the violent reaction to it, then the filmmaker is still correct, but this time about most muslims and not just the fringe element.

25. Patrick Follow Befriend (54) 5,191 threads 6,158 comments 46 male Menlo Park, CA

    92   11:46am Tue 25 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Bigsby says You're an idiot ... Comment deleted for direct insult.

26. deepcgi Follow Befriend 103 comments

    93   1:05pm Tue 25 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   When Christian extremists were bombing abortion clinics in the 70's and killing doctors, primarily Christian policeman arrested them and primarily Christian juries convicted them of murder. When Monty Python's life of Brian was released, many Christians felt the film was heresy and they protested the film and boycotted it. Terry Jones himself has admitted that the film is heresy. There is a difference in how Islam "behaves" and how any other major religion behaves. Deny if you can that someone could make a film that contains ONLY quotes from Muhammed that have been previously published by Muslims who have never been tormented for their words, and that that film could generate massive violence and death. President Obamas words today at the UN are the ones that I find most offensive. The future can not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam? WTF? never mind the Coptic Christians comment which came first! WTF? An American President apologist decries the freedom of speech? WTF?

27. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 770 threads 7,714 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

    94   1:14pm Tue 25 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   deepcgi says There is a difference in how Islam "behaves" and how any other major religion behaves. Religions don't "behave", people do. And all religions cause people to behave irrationally and tribally. It's on a difference of degree. It's like the difference between enough methylmercury poisoning to make you sick versus enough to kill you. The answer isn't to reduce the amount of methylmercury you inject, but to eliminate it. Everything that is happening in the Muslim world happened in the Christian world a mere few centuries ago. The difference between today and the Dark Ages is the result of the Enlightenment and later ages stamping out as much supernatural bullshit as possible limiting people's exposure to religion and religious superstition. Our society - science = dark ages

28. deepcgi Follow Befriend 103 comments

    95   1:34pm Tue 25 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Are you saying these violent Islamists are devoid of science? They are certainly using YouTube, smartphones, C4, and enriched uranium. Why is Islam centuries behind? Why do we pander to them? Christians wouldn't sit still for a modern inquisition. Why should any of us sit for the Islamic equivalent? The only reason we care is because TE Lawrence all but handed Saudi Arabia to the royal family rather than letting the Brits take it. And that its dripping with oil. Otherwise we'd let them kill each other. Oil money drives their society, buys flying lessons for terrorists and funds the enrichment of nuclear fuel.

29. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 770 threads 7,714 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

    96   1:40pm Tue 25 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   deepcgi says They are certainly using YouTube, smartphones, C4, and enriched uranium. One does not have to understand video encoding, TCP/IP, the Shannon Capacity Formula, fast frequency hopping, chemistry, or nuclear physics to use YouTube, smartphones, C4, or nukes. Image how few people would drive if understanding thermodynamics was a prerequisite. The fact is that the more scientifically literate a person or a society is, the less religious it becomes. Science fills the void that religious lies occupy.

30. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 770 threads 7,714 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

    97   1:43pm Tue 25 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   deepcgi says Why is Islam centuries behind? Black death --> too few peasants --> higher wages for workers --> workers can afford to buy goods and improve their lives --> workers specialize in different trades and form a consumer base and start to have free time --> common man becomes literate and starts to study things --> art and science take off --> common man learns science and furthers scientific research --> common man understands universe --> wisdom increases It all started with the black death.

31. Raw Follow Befriend 10 threads 694 comments

    98   2:57pm Tue 25 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Dan8267 says deepcgi says Why is Islam centuries behind? Black death --> too few peasants --> higher wages for workers --> workers can afford to buy goods and improve their lives --> workers specialize in different trades and form a consumer base and start to have free time --> common man becomes literate and starts to study things --> art and science take off --> common man learns science and furthers scientific research --> common man understands universe --> wisdom increases It all started with the black death. The reason Islam is centuries behind is that it's harsh laws have created a protective barrier around it, which makes it very hard to penetrate. If we are to bring the Muslim masses into the 21st century, and we have no choice there, we have to figure out a way to penetrate this barrier.

32. dublin hillz Follow Befriend 12 threads 783 comments Dublin, CA

    99   3:46pm Tue 25 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   They are also behind in part due to paranoid delusional conspiratorial worldview which impairs ability to accurately discern cause and affect. And the scary thing is, they are supposed to be "sober."

33. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 770 threads 7,714 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

    100   4:10pm Tue 25 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (3)   Dislike   Raw says The reason Islam is centuries behind is that it's harsh laws have created a protective barrier around it, which makes it very hard to penetrate. My response was to why Europe is no longer in the Dark Ages, but the converse story of Islam is told well by Neil Degrasse Tyson as I posted on that other thread...

34. Raw Follow Befriend 10 threads 694 comments

    101   5:56pm Tue 25 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Thank you Dan, I just loved it. It tells me what I already believed - That Arabs and Muslims have a lot of potential, and that it is the Islam of today that is holding them back. This huge wasted potential is a major disservice to the human race. We need more people to discover medical cures, and to invent things that make our lives better. The goal should be to eliminate Islam from politics, education and even hopefully the planet. My question to you is how?

35. Patrick Follow Befriend (54) 5,191 threads 6,158 comments 46 male Menlo Park, CA

    102   6:31pm Tue 25 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Yes, good video. Somehow Islam in Baghdad from 800 AD to 1100 AD was open to intellectual inquiry in spite of being dominated by a religion which values faith far above reason. I'd be willing to bet there were pretty close to zero riots about insults to Mohammed during that time as well. Another interesting thing to note about Jewish Nobel prize winners: not one of them is a religious fanatic. There are Jewish religous fanatics, but they never win Nobel prizes.

36. APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich Follow Befriend (28) 171 threads 4,227 comments Premium

    103   6:33pm Tue 25 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (2)   Dislike   If Jesus had met a Realtor®, he would have hacked its head off with a sword.

37. Dan8267 Follow Befriend (16) 770 threads 7,714 comments Boca Raton, FL Premium

    104   7:02pm Tue 25 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich says If Jesus had met a Realtor®, he would have hacked its head off with a sword. As long as he wasn't too busy using it on the bankers: Jesus entered the temple area and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the benches of those selling doves. “It is written,” he said to them, “‘My house will be called a house of prayer, but you are making it a ‘den of robbers.’” Mathew 21:12-13 The one time Jesus got pissed was at the bankers.

38. thunderlips11 Follow Befriend (13) 53 threads 2,644 comments Premium

    105   10:45am Wed 26 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Dan8267 says Everything that is happening in the Muslim world happened in the Christian world a mere few centuries ago. The difference between today and the Dark Ages is the result of the Enlightenment and later ages stamping out as much supernatural bullshit as possible limiting people's exposure to religion and religious superstition. Word. It was only a few centuries ago that a well-off widow or spinster would be charged with witchcraft and burned at the stake for the most pitiful of evidence. "Oh, she's got a black cat, and she was sewing a rag doll that kinda sorta looked like young Goodwife Amy who died last month in childbirth." It wasn't the occasional thing. Matthew Hopkins, the Witchfinder General, was responsible for about 300 executions in just a couple of years in East Anglia alone. These are huge numbers relative to the population at the time. Witchhunts like this happened all over Europe between 1500-1700, with victims probably numbering into the hundred thousand range. There were TWO witch crazes in New England alone. Everybody knows about Salem, but there was a wave before that where 13 people were executed. Bearing in mind the total pop of the Mass Bay Colony was only a few thousand at the time.

39. curious2 Follow Befriend (5) 31 threads 2,273 comments Premium

    106   4:11pm Wed 26 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Oddly, I've received around 10 spam e-mails about this video today, though I don't know if they had anything to do with the video itself or might have been completely fake links about a current topic. I also received an e-mail from the Romney campaign and a phone call from the Democratic Party, so maybe it's just the season.

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