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Fox news poll shows Obama with significant lead in Florida.

By iwog   Follow   Thu, 20 Sep 2012, 7:35am   5,099 views   78 comments
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49% to 44%

Romney has 0% chance of winning this election without Florida. This is good news.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2012/09/19/obama-has-edge-over-romney-among-likely-voters-in-florida/

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1. david1 Follow Befriend (2) 8 threads 755 comments 33 male Fort Mill, SC

   39   11:38am Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   rootvg says That isn't important. It only matters that your emotions are in overdrive and you toe the line ideologically and you have enough anger that's properly focused. Fuck that! Ah. The ad hominem attack. Where have I let my emotions run rampant? rootvg says Has it completely escaped you what these guys are worth? Misinformation Ministers. Completely fucking worthless to the good of this nation. Flirting with Joseph Goebbels. rootvg says I wasn't a college washout. Neither was my wife. Are you John Fund, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, or Glenn Beck? Is your wife? Do you consider yourself a leader of the conservative activism movement? What are your original ideas that are championed by conservatives? I was only pointing out the most followed leaders of conservative activism happen to be washouts. The big three are certainly Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity.

2. rootvg Follow Befriend (8) 1 threads 792 comments Danville, CA Premium

   40   11:39am Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   freak80 says david1 says Has anyone noticed that there is an overwhelmingly high percentage of the Conservative activism movement that are college washouts? Maybe, but weren't Bill Gates and Steve Jobs also college washouts? Jobs quit school because he ran out of money. His parents could have never afforded Reed College long term. Gates quit school because he truly didn't need it. He was so far ahead of everyone else and so bored and so tired of the academic culture that his father offered to help him start Microsoft. It's more common that you know. The only reason I have my degree is because no one else in my family had ever finished college and I felt duty bound to be the first one. My wife's story is a similar one.

3. edvard2 Follow Befriend 34 threads 2,109 comments

   41   11:44am Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   rootvg says For Obama to win a second term, it would mean America has fundamentally changed. It would mean that between all those losses at the midterms and now, something REALLY changed. I think its more that the Republican party will have lost because they themselves didn't change. Truth of the matter little has changed in the way they speak to their increasingly narrowing base since the 1950's: declare that anything that isn't exactly as they want to be either socialist, communist, or for all I care, from outer space. Their problem is that they chose a target demographic that at one time had a overwhelming sway in national politics. They still do but that influence is rapidly shifting. That was a good tactic a few decades ago but they in turn have given themselves a very specific "brand" that only appeals the an aforementioned singular voting base. Its like advertising: you have to be aware of changing prevailing attitudes, various groups and demographics and be willing and able to change with those things. Republicans are not doing this as seen by their current campaign. Democrats on the other hand I think much earlier on realized that had a potentially effective and perhaps even long-lasting advantage on their hands: Simply go after the votes of everyone else and as the other non-Republican base voters grow, the more the better for them. This has taken a few generations but I think the last two elections are starting to show this tactic working. I would imagine that this might be the last election where Republicans choose to count almost entirely on their base and not a wider demographic.

4. thunderlips11 Follow Befriend (13) 51 threads 2,636 comments Premium

   42   11:45am Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   rootvg says Jobs quit school because he ran out of money. His parents could have never afforded Reed College long term. And then went to India-Tibet for a year... with what money? A plane ticket in those days must have cost more than a semester at Reed, never mind living there for a year.

5. rootvg Follow Befriend (8) 1 threads 792 comments Danville, CA Premium

   43   11:50am Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (1)   thunderlips11 says rootvg says Jobs quit school because he ran out of money. His parents could have never afforded Reed College long term. And then went to India-Tibet for a year... with what money? A plane ticket in those days must have cost more than a semester at Reed, never mind living there for a year. Homo Economicus. A Legendary Creature, like Bigfoot, claimed to exist by Pseudoscientists. Don't know...but Reed was expensive then and costly as hell today.

6. rootvg Follow Befriend (8) 1 threads 792 comments Danville, CA Premium

   44   11:51am Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   rooemoore says david1 says rootvg says Why would John Fund stand on a stage in Mountain View a week ago Tuesday, knowing his credibility is on the line, and basically say you're full of shit? Has anyone noticed that there is an overwhelmingly high percentage of the Conservative activism movement that are college washouts? Fund Hannity Limbaugh Beck Those guys aren't exactly struggling to make a living. Neither are we.

7. rootvg Follow Befriend (8) 1 threads 792 comments Danville, CA Premium

   45   11:54am Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)   thunderlips11 says Well, I'm voting for a sturdy, reliable candidate. Homo Economicus. A Legendary Creature, like Bigfoot, claimed to exist by Pseudoscientists. The study reliable guys were (in chronological order) Truman, Ike, Nixon, Reagan and Bush 41. Other than that, not so much. Romney has the potential to be in this group if only because he's a Mormon and they're known to be very strong, silent, boring, old fashioned people.

8. zzyzzx Follow Befriend (9) 414 threads 4,133 comments Baltimore, MD

   46   12:00pm Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   KILLERJANE says Romney is not well liked here in Nevada http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/sep/21/stories-47-percent-dont-match-romneys-narrative/ I don't know that anyone actually expects Romney to win in Nevada anyway. I don't know why it's even considered a "swing state" It would be like expecting Romney to win in Michigan or Pennsylvania, or expecting Obama to win in NC. It' just isnt' going to happen.

9. rootvg Follow Befriend (8) 1 threads 792 comments Danville, CA Premium

   47   12:06pm Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)   zzyzzx says KILLERJANE says Romney is not well liked here in Nevada http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2012/sep/21/stories-47-percent-dont-match-romneys-narrative/ I don't know that anyone actually expects Romney to win in Nevada anyway. I don't know why it's even considered a "swing state" It would be like expecting Romney to win in Michigan or Pennsylvania, or expecting Obama to win in NC. It' just isnt' going to happen. If the homeowner isn't insulted by your offer...you didn't bid low enough!!! If he wins Ohio and Florida it won't matter. If he doesn't win Ohio and Florida, he's toast.

10. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    48   12:10pm Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   He's toast.

11. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,545 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    49   12:28pm Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   rootvg says The study reliable guys were (in chronological order) Truman, Ike, Nixon, Reagan and Bush 41. Other than that, not so much. ROFLOL

12. dublin hillz Follow Befriend 10 threads 768 comments Dublin, CA

    50   12:36pm Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   freak80 says He's toast. Yes, he is. The only way he can "get back in the game" is with stellar debate performance against Barack. But, that's precisely where he is going to be at his biggest disadvantage matchup wise.

13. rootvg Follow Befriend (8) 1 threads 792 comments Danville, CA Premium

    51   12:39pm Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)   freak80 says He's toast. If that's true, we're gonna go another four years without a budget and then have all this structural unemployment continue. I'm telling you, it doesn't make sense. The bar scene from Star Wars we saw displayed in Charlotte for three days is NOT America. Some of the participants here may think it is or (more likely) want it to be but it ISN'T.

14. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,545 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    52   12:40pm Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   rootvg says For Obama to win a second term, it would mean America has fundamentally changed. It would mean that between all those losses at the midterms and now, something REALLY changed. Right.....you think Obama can't win. We know that and you've got about 6 weeks until you're proven wrong. rootvg says Again and again, it's always the same. You sound like some angry kid with his nose pressed against the glass, stomping his feet. No I don't, which is why you failed to give a single example. I'm very level headed. You're the one who sounds like an elitist snob who can see everything while the Obama voters are blind. You have no recourse if Obama wins, you'll have to admit that everything you think you knew is a lie. rootvg says Why would John Fund stand on a stage in Mountain View a week ago Tuesday, knowing his credibility is on the line, and basically say you're full of shit? Because he's wrong and we don't have much longer until I'm proven right. His credibility will be blown to ashes the same as yours will.

15. edvard2 Follow Befriend 34 threads 2,109 comments

    53   12:47pm Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   zzyzzx says or expecting Obama to win in NC. Certainly did last time, so twice could easily be possible.rootvg says If he wins Ohio and Florida it won't matter. He's doing fairly well in Ohio. Currently showing about a 70+ chance of winning that state. Florida is about 60%. I can understand why in Ohio: That state is still heavily dependent on the auto industry and thus that's pretty much a no-brainer given that Romney claimed the auto bailouts were a bad thing, and especially now that the US auto industry is now doing pretty well.

16. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,637 comments

    54   12:50pm Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   rootvg says I'm telling you, it doesn't make sense. I don't follow the logic. There's nothing that says that life has to make sense to you. Elections are determined by the electoral college and ultimately votes. There is no "does this make sense" clause.

17. rooemoore Follow Befriend 41 threads 906 comments Ross, CA

    55   12:52pm Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   edvard2 says I can understand why in Ohio: That state is still heavily dependent on the auto industry and thus that's pretty much a no-brainer given that Romney claimed the auto bailouts were a bad thing, and especially now that the US auto industry is now doing pretty well. http://mediamatters.org/video/2012/09/18/ford-ceo-tells-foxs-cavuto-without-auto-bailout/189981

18. freak80 Follow Befriend (4) 52 threads 4,416 comments Corning, NY Premium

    56   2:45pm Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   rootvg says If that's true, we're gonna go another four years without a budget and then have all this structural unemployment continue. Maybe, but how do you propose to fix all the structural unemployment? Clearly Reaganomics isn't going to reduce domestinc unemployment. The problem is lack of demand. Even some folks at the "socialist" Motley Fool are saying so. You've got huge numbers of folks who *want* to work but can't find jobs. And so they can't spend money. Which means there's no demand for his job. He can't "create his own job" unless he can spend some money first. It's a catch 22. Sure, your car battery might not like having to start up that deadbeat gasoline engine every morning. But how else is that gasoline engine going to get running? Once the engine is running again, it "pays back" the battery via the alternator. The sudden loss of stored energy is very painful for the battery in the short term, but it gets its money back in time via good profits from a strong economy.

19. JodyChunder Follow Befriend (3) 16 threads 1,371 comments Victorville, CA Premium

    57   2:56pm Fri 21 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   rootvg says Warren's a bitch. She looks great on paper but she's just another know it all Ivy Leaguer with little round eyeglasses. Now dammit man...that's just hostile. The only thing that got up my nose about EW was some of her warmongering rhetoric.

20. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 168 threads 5,078 comments

    58   9:57pm Sat 22 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Romney traded under .25 on the IEM today. So you're now getting 3:1 odds if you want to bet on Romney winning. That's right, quadruple your money if he wins. If anyone feels certain they know better than what the money says, they should bet on Romney. http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/quotes/Pres12_quotes.html

21. Nobody Follow Befriend 10 threads 274 comments San Jose, CA

    59   12:46am Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I get so many different poll result; this does not mean anything at all. All I know is that there will be some people who would starve to death once Romney becomes president.

22. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,637 comments

    60   5:48am Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Tecumcari says Iwog Dude, That poll was just with folks in general, from what I can tell. No filtering for registered voters or, better yet, likely voters Did you read the title of the link? "Obama has edge over Romney among likely voters in Florida"

23. APOCALYPSEFUCK is Shostakovich Follow Befriend (28) 171 threads 4,198 comments Premium

    61   6:07am Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Governor Unindictedcoconspirator has it covered with voter suppression programs. No old people and no minorities will be allowed to get into the polls.

24. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,637 comments

    62   8:15am Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   People are now talking about Dems winning the House, Senate, and President. Rootvg-- That takes care of your worries about gridlock, doesn't it?

25. rootvg Follow Befriend (8) 1 threads 792 comments Danville, CA Premium

    63   8:27am Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)   tatupu70 says People are now talking about Dems winning the House, Senate, and President. Rootvg-- That takes care of your worries about gridlock, doesn't it? The only place I've seen that is here.

26. rootvg Follow Befriend (8) 1 threads 792 comments Danville, CA Premium

    64   10:00am Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike (2)   Tecumcari says Iwog Dude, That poll was just with folks in general, from what I can tell. No filtering for registered voters or, better yet, likely voters. Also, undecideds have already chose to NOT vote for the incumbent. They almost always rally for the challenger later on closer to the election, when they start paying more attention. You know that. I know that. There are others who don't.

27. rootvg Follow Befriend (8) 1 threads 792 comments Danville, CA Premium

    65   10:38am Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   http://www.wnd.com/2012/09/the-future-of-americas-global-homo-promo Just as the article says and I keep telling you, there aren't many leather festivals in Columbus and Cincinnati.

28. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 168 threads 5,078 comments

    66   11:06am Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I had no idea that Obama was promoting homosexuality so aggressively. This is a big story. Shout it from the roof tops. We already know that Obama would do anything to increase the number of abortions that occur in America. And that he wants to take our guns. He also alternates between wanting to indoctrinate our youth to be atheist communists versus sympathizing with radical fundamentalists. And since when is a guy who isn't even a real American entitled to be the President ? ps: shhhhhhhhhhh. LEt's not even talk about Romey's 5 trillion in tax cuts to the rich, blowing up the deficit even more. Okay ? THis is what really happens with Romney, but we need to pretend it's all about the bs above if we are going to stand a chance of pulling it off.

29. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,637 comments

    67   11:38am Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   rootvg says The only place I've seen that is here. That's part of your problem methinks. You really need to broaden your sources.

30. msilenus Follow Befriend (3) 8 threads 335 comments

    68   1:04pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   marcus says ps: shhhhhhhhhhh. LEt's not even talk about Romey's 5 trillion in tax cuts to the rich, blowing up the deficit even more. Okay ? THis is what really happens with Romney, but we need to pretend it's all about the bs above if we are going to stand a chance of pulling it off. Every once in a whlie I think it would be fun to go to a Romney town hall, so I can ask him how much of his money he's keeping on the sidelines because his taxes are too high. But then I remember that it's all in a blind trust, so he doesn't actually know. The man isn't just divorced from my view of the economy --he's walled off from his own as well. Yet he's certain that dropping his tax rate to zero is what's best for the nation. Ideology is a fascinating and frightening thing.

31. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,637 comments

    69   4:30pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   Tecumcari says Undecideds (those saying 'don't know') are people who have already DECIDED not to vote for the incumbent (Obama). When the election gets closer and they start paying more attention, they all shift over to the challenger Really? On 10/4/2004, Zogby had the race at 46% Bush, 44% Kerry, with 8% undecided. On 10/27, they had it tied at 47% with 5% undecided. The final vote tally was 52% Bush to 48% Kerry. Looks like that election pretty much destroys that lame theory.

32. rootvg Follow Befriend (8) 1 threads 792 comments Danville, CA Premium

    70   4:33pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   tatupu70 says rootvg says The only place I've seen that is here. That's part of your problem methinks. You really need to broaden your sources. I don't have to broaden anything. Doing things my way just made me two hundred grand.

33. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,637 comments

    71   4:39pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   rootvg says I don't have to broaden anything. Doing things my way just made me two hundred grand. Well done. But it doesn't give your predictions any more credibility.

34. rootvg Follow Befriend (8) 1 threads 792 comments Danville, CA Premium

    72   4:44pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike (1)   tatupu70 says rootvg says I don't have to broaden anything. Doing things my way just made me two hundred grand. Well done. But it doesn't give your predictions any more credibility. For every snot nosed lefty kid on Patrick.net who's mad at the world because he has to live in his parents' basement, I get one or more people responding positively to my posts elsewhere. It's just as I said. We don't live in the United States of San Francisco. That hasn't changed and it won't. DECADES of experience, guys. The more foolish you act, the more inclined I will be to stand my ground.

35. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,545 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    73   6:49pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   rootvg says DECADES of experience, guys. The more foolish you act, the more inclined I will be to stand my ground. And what happens if the ground disappears from under you in November? Are you going to denounce your decades of experience?

36. jetman Follow Befriend 1 comments

    74   10:58pm Sun 23 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   I am reading these posts and am amazed at the comments. Doesn't anybody acknowledge the huge billowing debt, the failed attempts at trying to stimulate useless "green" projects, the complete idiotic foreign policy? Get real, four more years of Letterman appearances and celebrity schmoozing and we'll be past broke. Actually, we are already. As to Obamacare, more than 20 additional taxes, 16,000 new IRS agents to enforce them, isn't it clear where we are going? I lived in the UK for 3 years on assignment, Spain for 1 year, and Italy for 6 years. They all had your "Ideal" Gov. Health Care. Thank God I had private health insurance. I got immediate treatment while the locals waited 6 months to a year. The doctors fell over themselves getting me to the front of the line, THEY WOULD GET PAID! So you think Obamacare will work? You will get what you deserve. Unfortunately, the rest of us will get what you deserve too.

37. iwog Follow Befriend (48) 274 threads 12,545 comments 47 male Lafayette, CA Premium

    75   12:17am Mon 24 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   jetman says the huge billowing debt You mean the huge billowing debt created by Republicans? jetman says the failed attempts at trying to stimulate useless "green" projects What cracks me up about this comment is that AT MOST those useless green projects cost a few billion dollars and 100% of the money ends up in the economy. George Bush LOST $10 billion in cash that was delivered on pallets into the Iraqi war zone and Republicans didn't give a flying fuck. (and still don't) jetman says the complete idiotic foreign policy You mean the successful foreign policy. If you read press outside of the USA you'd realize that Fox Noise isn't giving you an accurate picture. jetman says As to Obamacare, more than 20 additional taxes, 16,000 new IRS agents to enforce them, isn't it clear where we are going? Yes. It's very clear. We're rolling taxes back to 1999. Now if Obama can keep working at it, maybe we'll roll taxes back to the 1980s. If he's REALLY good, we can see taxes at pre 1980 levels and then perhaps the economy can repair itself. What.....did you fucking think that we were headed towards socialism??? ROFLOL jetman says I lived in the UK for 3 years on assignment, Spain for 1 year, and Italy for 6 years. They all had your "Ideal" Gov. Health Care. Thank God I had private health insurance. I got immediate treatment while the locals waited 6 months to a year. The doctors fell over themselves getting me to the front of the line, THEY WOULD GET PAID! So you think Obamacare will work? You will get what you deserve. You're lying. I've already seen the polls. Single payer is BY FAR the most preferred method of health care in the world.

38. marcus Follow Befriend (5) 168 threads 5,078 comments

    76   6:10am Mon 24 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like (1)   Dislike   jetman says I am reading these posts and am amazed at the comments. Doesn't anybody acknowledge the huge billowing debt, the failed attempts at trying to stimulate useless "green" projects, the complete idiotic foreign policy? So what I hear you saying is that if we just lower taxes on the rich, taking the deficit to guaranteed bankruptcy level, and restructure OBamacare to magically cover preexisting conditions without a mandate, and turn medicare in to a voucher system, and go back to the good old days when Rusia and China are our enemies, that then everythng will be peachy ?

39. tatupu70 Follow Befriend (3) 15 threads 5,637 comments

    77   11:10am Mon 24 Sep 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   More bad news for rootvg: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/democrats-likely-retain-senate-four-critical-races-shift-160643042--election.html The author of the article and the designer of the model used for predictions must be young whippersnappers that haven't seen what root has seen in his lifetime. They probably ddn't clear $200K last year, either.

40. Bellingham Bill Follow Befriend 30 threads 1,488 comments Bellingham, WA Premium

    78   9:22am Fri 9 Nov 2012   Share   Quote   Permalink   Like   Dislike   iwog says Saved for recall in November. Unlike you, I don't appeal to an elitist perspective when I say Obama is going to win. I don't claim special knowledge or special insight or special intelligence like you do. I think Obama is going to win because the polls are correct every year. Maybe that guy was involved in developing that Orca secret weapon campaign coordination thing. That would explain a lot.

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