WatchHere is a link to PolitiFact's list of most recent outrageous lies. Their source is the media, politicians, and pundits. Page 1 contains a single lie by Obama and the statement by Reid about Romney's taxes. Everything else is from the Republicans.
Page 2 contains 1 more lie by Obama. Everything else is Republicans. While Obama appears twice, Romney appears 7 times.
Why do Republicans and those to the right of the Republican party lie so much?
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/rulings/pants-fire/?page=1
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Abe never stated "Republicans lie more than Democrats".
Abe did state "All politicians lie"
So why would you ask the question "Why do you think Republicans lie more than Democrats Abe? ", when Abe never gave any indication that he thinks Republicans lie more than Democrats?
iwog says
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Besides, not much will fit into Abe's mouth. His foot is usually stuck in there whist trying to defend his inane positions.
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If you are going to insult someone's intelligence, you should at least exhibit a 3rd grade level of orthography.
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Read the title. What's new about that?
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xrpb11a says
It doesn't matter what Abe thinks. I've provided several sources showing Republicans lie more than Democrats. He can either accept the premise or challenge the premise, but I did not put words into his mouth.
Of course he's not going to challenge the premise because although there are numerous sources that show Republicans lie more than Democrats, there are no sources that show the opposite.
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As ususal, the far left and far right battle over incredibly inane exagerations by politicians (and even performers like talk show hosts that rely on ratings for their career) that simply don't make a difference to the country. More important is the overall direction the candidates will take the country, their overall integrity and their priorities for the future. What they actually DO is more important to me than what they say. Early on in this presidency, I learned that even simple promises about simple matters can't be trusted:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/5154973/Obamas-criticised-for-breaking-promise-of-adopting-dog-from-shelter.html
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A week after a woman is arrested on ballot fraud charges, the uncle of Hialeah's former mayor is taken into custody.
http://www.local10.com/news/Former-Hialeah-mayor-s-uncle-arrested-on-ballot-fraud-charges/-/1717324/16070486/-/10efd48z/-/index.html
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http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/08/02/ballot-broker-busted-in-miami-area/
We’re told by the left that voter fraud doesn’t happen. Except, apparently, when it does.
Deisy Penton de Cabrera, 56, was charged with absentee-ballot fraud, a third-degree felony, and two misdemeanor counts of violating a county ordinance that makes it illegal for anyone to possess more than two ballots belonging to other voters. Investigators suspect Cabrera, a ballot broker known in Spanish as a boletera, of illegally collecting at least 31 absentee ballots.
Police detectives followed Cabrera over two days last week. On July 24, according to an arrest affidavit unsealed Thursday, she dropped off 19 absentee ballots at a Hialeah post office.
The next day, detectives followed Cabrera into a nursing home, where she went into the room of a woman identified by police as Z.G. The officers overheard Cabrera telling Z.G. that she was sent there by the woman’s sister to get her signature. A few minutes later, Cabrera left.
When the detectives went into the room to speak to Z.G., they found she was unresponsive. The detective said hello and waved to Z.G., whose eyes were open, the warrant says, “but she [stared] off into space and did not respond to the greeting.”
Cabrera then visited five more assistant-living facilities before police stopped her and found 12 absentee ballots in her possession. They also detained and questioned Matilde M. Rendueles, the woman driving Cabrera around in a red Toyota Corolla. (Rendueles had earlier been identified in reports as Matilde Martinez.)
Detectives visited the unresponsive woman at the nursing home two more times, according to the warrant. They also interviewed Z.G.’s sisters, one of whom said the woman is terminally ill and “cannot write, comprehend or communicate.”
This broker surely is not the only one trolling America’s assisted living facilities, casting votes on behalf of defenseless people who cannot stop them. A slew of these ballot brokers were busted in the Texas Rio Grande Valley a few years back. Those cases played a big role in the drive to enact voter photo ID. Those cases had nothing to do with assisted living facilities, though, the brokers were working on behalf of Democrat machine candidates in the area and making sure that they had enough ballots on hand to win their primary elections.
Pursuing and prosecuting these criminals, unfortunately, often depends on having local elected officials who believe in protecting the integrity of elections. And one party, the Democrats, have publicly declared that protecting election integrity is the last thing they want to do.
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Cloud says
This is so utterly ridiculous, it made me laugh. Does it rain gumdrops in your world too?
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CaptainShuddup says
Nope--you're told by the left that it happens so infrequently to be insignificant.
The bigger problem is voter purging where legal voters are purged from the rolls and not allowed to vote.
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Show me the utter one!
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Hey, the Cheney administration lied the US into an endless conflict in Iraq that will ultimately destroy whatever fragile peace there is in Central Asia and the Middle East before it's all over.
Nixon campaigned with Peace with Honor for fuck's sake and got us out of Vietnam and told a lot of truth about the cost and consequences of the war during the general election before his first term.
Here's a better question: What changed? What shifted to an extent that the current GOP candidate for the general election makes Nixon look like the epitome of probity and veracity?
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Cloud says
I didn't ignore it. Sounds like the authorities did their job and dealt with it. The problem is your last line.
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How in the world did you get from your story about a criminal that was caught to there?
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Cloud says
Nope--it's saying that Republicans HAVE to lie in order to get people to vote for them. If they told the truth, they'd lose every election.
That's the bottom line.
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So in one sentence you are telling Abe what he thinks, and in the next you are telling him it doesn't matter what he thinks.
LOLOL....
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xrpb11a says
Are you illiterate or something? In which sentence did I say what Abe thinks?
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You're reading the sentence wrong. It should be read "Why do Republicans lie more than Democrats?" The "do you think" is just style and it applies to the explanation that I'm expecting, NOT the premise. It's a question that contains a premise that I consider proven in this thread.
Now again......Abe can disagree with the premise, in which case a normal person would say WHY, (not you or Abe) or you can agree with the premise and answer the fucking question.
In any case, it's just another totally irrelevant tangent that concerns semantics and doesn't have anything whatsoever to do with the conversation, the question, the thread title, or why Romney lies more than he tells the truth while Obama tells the truth more than he lies..
Here's a question for you. Why do you think Republicans refuse to have real conversations and instead either run from them or change the topic to something lame?
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CaptainShuddup says
Pray tell what does absentee voter fraud have to do with laws requiring voter id at the polls, which is the point of contention currently? I'm pretty lost on this one. Could you explain the relationship?
Repugs and Dumbcrats both are pretty good at voter fraud. The dems by having ineligible people vote, the reps by preventing eligible people in dem areas from voting.
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If your explanation below is what you really meant, it should have been written with the "do you think" excluded. This is either a case of extremely poor grammar, or you putting words into Abe's mouth.
In either case your question to Abe is irrelevant since Abe stated previously that he believes "all politicians lie". So there is no way he can answer your question the way you state it.
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So when you are debating someone, and you put words into their mouth, and you get 'caught' doing it, then your excuse is that it is a "totally irrelevant tangent"...
I see.....
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Obama's policies have crippled America. Virtually every metric is worse - gas prices worse, unemployment worse, wages worse, food prices worse, number of Americans on food stamps worse, utility prices worse, misery index worse, consumer confidence worse, forclosure situation worse, etc,etc,etc...but he lies less?
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bob2356 says
Wow good stuff.
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xrpb11a says
No, only when it's a totally irrelevant tangent. You want to have an argument over the meaning of a sentence AFTER I already clarified what I meant.
Even if you're right, it's still stupid and childish and a waste of my time.
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iwog says
Which I am...
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I agree. So stop doing it.
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I think more people should vote. But, I would like to see a minimum qualification test and a voter's license issued to those who prove they are legal voters and pass the test - free of course.
Test must be in english. A valid SSN card AND photo I.D. plus a finger print given, before you can take the test to earn the license. A license is good for 4 years.
Maybe even weight the votes based on the scores on the test?
Testing and voting can be done at the same time, and all voting should happen on the back side of the tax returns. All voting should no longer be a single day of open polls, but should be for the entire time from the first Monday in March to April 15. I don't see any reason for it all to happen in a single day. I think that one day policey keeps away alot of voters. Having the ballots be on the back of the tax returns may help voter turn out? Maybe? Most everyone does their taxes.
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Come on... don't you know after 3-1/2 years (and two years of a democrat controlled senate and congress before that).... it's all Bush's fault....
Hope and Change takes time....
Obama's not done destroying the country just yet.... he needs four more years to blame Bush to finish that job!!
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If you are asking 'why, do you think, Republicans refuse to have real conversations and instead either run from them, or change the topic to something lame?' , my answer would be "All politicians do this, it is not isolated to any one party.",
If you are asking the question the way it is originally written below, my answer would be "I don't think that about republicans. Stop putting words in my mouth."
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Case Closed.
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Bap33 says
Wow this is the worst idea I have ever seen. Lets just make the ratio 1,000,000,000 votes for IQ above 180 and 1 vote for everyone else. I think I have heard of this before and it is called despotism.
I used a reducto ad absurdum argument for a reason. It is easy to see how ridiculous this idea is when it is taken to the extreme.
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This is the second dumbest idea I have ever seen. Who writes the test and determines its difficulty? This is easily manipulated based on politics and is a great way to shape the electorate into what someone wants.
Not a democracy at all.
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Bap33 says
The test would be real easy... flip over your tax return, if you paid any federal income tax last year, you get to vote... if you didn't pay any federal taxes, you can't. The voters with "skin in the game" will determine who's going to spend their tax money for the next 4 years...
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david1 says
no, it is not. It is a representitive republic. You just missed one of the questions. Shouldn't someone who knows how our system works have a weighted vote over yours, so yours does not cancel theirs out? Sure don't seem logical to allow uneducated, or non-interested, voters cancel out the votes of those who do understand and are interested in truth, justice, and The American Way!!
If not license, then how-a-bout drug testing to ensure sober voting? WOuld you agree to drug testing for illegal drugs and drunks before they can vote?
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Bap33 says
No, it's not. It's a plutocracy, where "money rules."
Even more so now, after a recent supreme court ruling.
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Call it Crazy - voting w/o a tax return IS a conflict of interest.
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Bap33 says
Heh.. legality of a substance is a subject to change (ex.: alcohol in prohibition days) Voters should have a say on this, including substance users - imho.
Weeding out non-contributors, indeed, is an entirely different story.
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Bap33 says
So did you. The US is a Constitutional Republic at the Federal Level, with three distinct branches. I cannot remember voting for members of the Judiciary, nor many members of the Executive Branch. And as far as I know all branches are bound by the Constitution.
Have you figured out how no one is going to end up voting with your idea?
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Bap33 says
By the way, did you know that in Soviet Russia only members of the communist party could vote?
But wait, a liberal isn't supposed to equate the idea of a Conservative with something that happened in the Socialist haven of the Soviet Union.
So here I am calling you a Commie.
Commie.
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kinda lost me with that last little bit.
I really was just tossing out a rough idea.
What areas/fields would you suggest to test voter on, to make sure you are getting the best gov from the votes cast?
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david1 says
my good man, you vote for reps. Your reps do your voting in DC. Hence, representitive republic.
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Might as well just have a meritocracy and skip the voting all together.