Right-wing Claims that are Actually True

By freak80   follow   Wed, 11 Jul 2012, 7:09am PDT   ↑ Like   ↓ Dislike   1,387 views   8 comments   Watch (0)   Share   Quote  

I've been kind of harsh toward some of the "far right" trolls here on Patnet. To be fair, I've decided to list some of the right-wing claims categorized as "true" by Politifact.com.

-- Rick Santorum: "Over 40% of children in America are born out of wedlock"

-- Michelle Bachmann: "Our government right now...(is) spending 40% more than what we take in"

-- John Cornyn: "51%, that is, a majority of American households, paid no income tax in 2009. Zero. Zip. Nada."

-- George Will: "we lost more jobs in this great recession than the last four recessions combined."

-- Scott Walker: "most federal employees do not have collective bargaining for benefits, nor for pay."

-- George Will: if Wisconsin's governor cuts [pay and benefits] as much as he plans to do, "it would still leave (public sector workers) better off than their private sector counterparts."

-- Rand Paul: the federal government "can cut all of the non-military discretionary spending and still not balance the budget."

-- Barack Obama: the US has "one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world." (no, I don't know why Obama used this standard right-wing talking point)

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evilmonkeyboy   befriend (1)   ignore (0)   Wed, 11 Jul 2012, 7:34am PDT   Like (1)   Dislike (1)     Share   Quote   Comment 1

wthrfrk80 says

- Rick Santorum: "Over 40% of children in America are born out of wedlock"

I like this one :) coming from the anti-contraceptive poster-boy.

HEY YOU   befriend (3)   ignore (3)   Wed, 11 Jul 2012, 8:36am PDT   Like   Dislike (1)     Share   Quote   Comment 2

Of the 40% of children born out of wed lock, how many have Right-wing parents?

PockyClipsNow   befriend (0)   ignore (1)   Wed, 11 Jul 2012, 8:40am PDT   Like (2)   Dislike     Share   Quote   Comment 3

Born out of wedlock because mom is SMART!

Being married messes up all your welfare bennefits, S-8, food stamps, free medical.

My married friends with stay at home moms are broke as a joke with maxed out credit cards - they should never ever have gotten married but put the pregnant partner on taxpayer dime and live like kings.

bdrasin   befriend (0)   ignore (0)   Wed, 11 Jul 2012, 8:45am PDT   Like   Dislike     Share   Quote   Comment 4

wthrfrk80 says

-- John Cornyn: "51%, that is, a majority of American households, paid no income tax in 2009. Zero. Zip. Nada."

This is narrowly true, but most people think "the taxes I pay to the IRS each year on my 1040" when they hear "income tax", and by that standard its not true because those include medicare and social security tax.

freak80   befriend (0)   ignore (6)   Wed, 11 Jul 2012, 11:52pm PDT   Like   Dislike (1)     Share   Quote   Comment 5

HEY YOU says

Of the 40% of children born out of wed lock, how many have Right-wing parents?

Heck if I know.

evilmonkeyboy says

I like this one :) coming from the anti-contraceptive poster-boy.

Was he "anti-contraceptive" or just "anti Catholics-being forced-to-pay-for-it"?

Still, that's a stunning statistic. 40%? I didn't know it was THAT high. I guess "sex-education" means "teaching people how to have sex" ;-)

freak80   befriend (0)   ignore (6)   Thu, 12 Jul 2012, 12:00am PDT   Like   Dislike (1)     Share   Quote   Comment 6

bdrasin says

This is narrowly true, but most people think "the taxes I pay to the IRS each year on my 1040" when they hear "income tax", and by that standard its not true because those include medicare and social security tax.

It looks like you are correct yes. Politifact has a link to more details for each "claim." Here's the link for Cornyn's claim:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/08/john-cornyn/john-cornyn-says-51-percent-american-households-pa/

And an excerpt that backs up your assertion about income vs. payroll taxes:

"Estimates by the Urban-Brookings Tax Policy Center project that for tax year 2011, 46.4 percent of households won’t have any income tax liability. However, of this number, 28.3 percent will pay payroll taxes, the center projects. Of the remaining 18.1 percent with neither income nor payroll tax liability, 10.3 percent are elderly and 6.9 percent are not elderly but have incomes lower than $20,000. In other words, all but a tiny sliver of Americans without either income tax or payroll tax liability are either elderly or poor."

bdrasin   befriend (0)   ignore (0)   Thu, 12 Jul 2012, 12:23am PDT   Like   Dislike     Share   Quote   Comment 7

wthrfrk80 says

bdrasin says

This is narrowly true, but most people think "the taxes I pay to the IRS each year on my 1040" when they hear "income tax", and by that standard its not true because those include medicare and social security tax.

It looks like you are correct yes. Politifact has a link to more details for each "claim." Here's the link for Cornyn's claim:

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/08/john-cornyn/john-cornyn-says-51-percent-american-households-pa/

This whole thing seems to me to be verbal sleight-of-hand. Payroll tax is an income tax in the general sense of being "a tax levied on and based on income", even if its not FICA. So its a true statement that doesn't mean what most people will assume it means.

freak80   befriend (0)   ignore (6)   Thu, 12 Jul 2012, 12:33am PDT   Like   Dislike (1)     Share   Quote   Comment 8

bdrasin says

So its a true statement that doesn't mean what most people will assume it means.

Maybe it should have gone under Politifact's "mostly true" category rather than "true" category.

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