Obamacare Upheld; What Should Romney, Republicans Do?
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Obamacare Upheld; What Should Romney, Republicans Do?
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Romney should pretend to disavow ObamaCare even though he enacted RomneyCare in MA.
And of course the right wing nutjobs will actually take him seriously like the useful idiots they are.
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It doesn't really matter. The Senate is going to Republicans this year. If Romney wins, Obamacare is irrelevant.
There isn't any future after the Ryan plan. None.
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iwog says
Wow that was a quick change in mood. You were elated this morning. ;-)
I've pretty much concluded that there is no future for the USA. Like "Number Two" said in the Austin Powers movie, "there is no world anymore, only corporations." There is no national sovereignty anymore (for any nation), just a global plutocracy that rules in their own interest at the expense of everyone else.
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wthrfrk80 says
It's going to be fun watching the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the lunatic right. They have been counting on the Supreme Court to go their way. NO ONE on the right would have ever entertained for one microsecond that Roberts would turn against them.
Otherwise it's back to the decline and fall of the American empire. What's odd about this time in human history is that Americans are going to vote for their own destruction.
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iwog says
I must say I was surprised that Roberts went the way he did. But it wouldn't be unprecedented. Several other "conservative" justices have gone "liberal" in the past.
Remember the Bush-appointed judge that ruled against intelligent design in Dover v. Kitzmiller, for example?
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iwog says
I don't know IWOG...I think Obama might win by a fairly large margin. He's got the Latino vote locked up, he's still got the black vote in the bag...
Now it's just how much of the white vote can he get. Most people will go into the polls.. and ask themselves the question.. Am I better off now than 4 years ago in 2008...
S&P was around 683 in March 2009.. months after Obama was sworn in.
almost 4 years later....S&P is currently double that at 1329.
Sure the middle class is hurting.. But for the most part... those with an ounce of intellect know that if you move into a house that's TRASHED.. you blame the mess on the person that created the mess.. Not the one trying to clean it up.
The real problem is the Trayvon Martin trial set for August 8th. Obama has already come out in support of Trayvon without getting all the evidence.
This will be a very newsworthy and racially divisive case. I was seething with anger at zimmerman upon hearing the 911 tapes and initial coverage. Then I felt really manipulated once I heard more sides of the story... And I'm currently holding my judgement until I have all the facts.
A race riot due to Zimmerman being set free, even if he is innocent, will not help Obama in November at all. Throw in Zimmerman's hispanic heritage and hell with the economy.. This could get ugly for Obama's base.
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Romney and the Republicans should congratulate the Dems for passing the reforms they wanted to pass but couldn't get around to, 1995-2006.
Republicans are the most bizarrely bullshit-filled people on the planet.
Seriously. Everything they do and say is just 180 degrees out of phase with reality.
I'm beginning to think it's all performance art.
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I'm pretty sure Obama is going to win.
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What could Republicans do? Put a muzzle on the Teabagger wing and act like statesmen. Odd of this happening? ZERO.
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iwog says
http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Senate/Maps/Jun28-s.html
shows that we might see 52 or 53 Senators in the Democratic caucus.
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It'll be the same dynamic as the 2008 election. A mushy moderate tell-you-whatever-you-want-to-hear candidate vs. Obama. A lot of Romney votes will be votes against Obama, not votes FOR Romney.
Romney isn't any more conservative than McCain was. It'll be pretty hilarious to see Romney out there campaigning against ObamaCare which isn't much different than his health plan when he was governor of Massachusetts.
Then again, no one ever accused the Republican base of drawing conclusions based on facts.
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My wife reminded me that Chief Justice Roberts suffered a serious health crisis a few years ago. Remember the collapse after a seizure? He had some real problem, and , despite what must be better health coverage than you and I have, maybe he got a look at the bill paid by the taxpayers and realized: "Shit!, No wonder it's the No. 1 cause of bankruptcy in this country."
Sure, he's a right -winger, but he's not stupid.
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Why is this thread in the Real Estate section though? Shouldn't it be moved to the Politics section?
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He should propose a replacement policy in details that would be better. I think talking points and sound bites aren't going to do it.
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Romney should remind everyone that it is a TAX.
Of course, Obama and Nancy didn't want anyone to know this until Jan 2013, it was designed this way. It's conveniently after the election.
Romney doesn't need to make any more statements on the subject.
No matter what clever scheme he may invent before the election, the subject of the election is the ECONOMY stupid!
Romney should focus on how Obama's stupid ideas are fucking up the economy and approach every issue from this angle.
1. illegal aliens. depress wages, cost taxpayers=hurt economy.
2. obamacare: raise costs, raise taxes, special taxes on medical devices=hurt economy
3. windmill/solyndra schemes: raise electricity costs, waste tax dollars=hurt economy
4. break law, cancel gulf drilling: throw guys out of work in gulf=hurt economy
5. not encourage natural gas in USA: sends $500 billion a year OUT of the USA, still dependend on foreign oil=hurt economy
6. continual $1 trillion deficits, $16 trillion debt: interest payments will be paid by your grandchildren, =hurt economy.
7. EPA abusing oil companies=inhibit USA production of energy=hurts economy.
Romney will hopefully keep his focus on what a bunch of assholes they are in the WhiteHouse.
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Anyone who saw Ronmey in the debates cannot say he was particularly "mushy." And he is not a dimwit limpwristed decrepit old RINO like McCain was. McCain was a disgrace.
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clambo says
Really?
http://www.theonion.com/video/romney-to-travel-back-in-time-to-kill-liberal-vers,27788/
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FortWayne says
I agree but he has a serious problem in doing so. any policy that realistically can do what some of the popular parts of Obamacare do will require additional money from "somewhere" AKA a tax, a fee, a mandate... something. His base will not stand for it and you cannot cover something for nothing. This is why the repeal and replace mantra of 2010 is now just repeal. So he will posture about free market solutions and malpractice insurance reforms and not present a coherent replacement. That will be a killer in a debate or interview not by Fox et all, and limits this as a serious issue for him except for his base which is quite happy with merely repeal.
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I'm convinced that Romney was chosen by the Liberals to run against Obama, (it's no coincidence that Obamacare is Romneycare).
I'm also beginning to be convinced that the superpacs like Restore Our Future is actually ACORN reinvented as a Republican imposter organization. Set up by the Democrats to siphon republican contributions from the republican donation pool.
I have yet to see on single Obama attack ad, or a Romney ad for that matter.
If Romney wins it will be Ironic, it wont be because he ran a stellar campaign.
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CaptainShuddup says
And you won't unless you live in a swing state.
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Another rumor. The Republicans in the House are going to defund all the health care cost for all Republicans in all branches of govt.
The are refusing to be part of a SOCIAL program.
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You can't any more Swing than Florida, we've put the last two assholes in office.
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CaptainShuddup says
Duh! Former Soviet infiltrators (see the documentary Telefon c.1977) penetrated the ranks of RNC from top to bottom, and also all ballot-counting offices in the primary states. Then they rigged the primaries to select Romney.
When they also rig it so Romney wins, what layer of the plot will be revealed then? You have no idea how far down this rabbit hole goes, NO... IDEA!
Manchurian Candidate, and Boys from Brazil didn't even scratch the surface.
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rdm says
I think if the solution is sound, a small tax increase is going to be all right by everyone. They could restructure CMS payments for example to cover more preventive, instead of encouraging lots of unnecessary tests and expensive procedures.
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Wow, and I thought MY tinfoil hat was on too tight.
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I'm pretty sure Obama is going to win.
Weren't you pretty sure Bush wouldn't be re-elected. I was.
I predict Romney will embrace Obamacare by November and note that the President stole his original idea . He will have a Palin-like VP candidate that can speak to the tea party base. VP speeches will be private affairs, no MSM allowed. Highlights will include the VPs 'secret plan' to assume the presidency once the ticket is elected. The mixed ticket will result in a Romney presidency based on a loose coalition of the Club for Growth, independents, tea partiers, moderates, hedge fund managers and disgruntled GM autoworkers. Obama will crumble under relentless questioning as he will be unable to explain why natural gas prices are not less than $1/million btus -- as they should be, if not for needless government bureaucracy like the EPA.
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EBGuy says
Definitely. That's what McCain did. You gotta pander to the base somehow.
Maybe Michelle "Batshit Crazy" Bachmann?
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Obamacare/Romneycare -whats the difference?
Not sure what the republicans are griping about. Tea party darling Jim Demint was for the mandate.
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Romney is not fit to be Commander in Chief. What do the conservatives see in this guy? Is it just a anti-Obama vote?
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Mitt Romney isn't going to be elected. He never was, and the right knows it. They're laying for 2016.
The Affordable Health Care Act is the law of the land, get used to it. It's flawed, but a good first step toward Medicare for all. There is no comparison:
Administrative Cost for Medicare: 3 percent
" " Private HMO's: 20 to 30 percent
Get rid of the bloodsuckers who are killing thousands in their rapacious, immoral search for obscene profits.
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jvolstad says
Yes.
You don't think the conservatives really loved McCain do you?
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Nobody liked McCain. Palin was more interesting, capable and articulate than he is.
Whether you like her or not is your choice.
Palin has more balls and brains the that feeble McCain. I know he was tortured and all that, but that is what happens to someone after the experience. He's a weak dimwit rino.
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clambo says
Jesus H. Christ.........
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William H. Macy!
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Here's politifact.com's "Top 5 Falsehoods about the health care law"
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/jun/27/top-5-falsehoods-about-health-care-law/
While the president tells a half-truth, Sarah Palin and other Republican luminaries were awarded "Lie of the Year" for some of their assertions.
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monkframe says
Unfortunately, now Romneys election looks very likely. Normally, most comservatives would not vote for Romney, but the Court decision will mobilize many conservatives. Romney got a chance now.
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Never under estimate a pissed off consumer.
Voters and constituents are one thing, but the ruling has managed to make unhappy customers out of a lot of people, that would otherwise sit this election out.
The Supreme Court was supposed to be customer service, but they just told us that it's a user error. And the Goods Obama is selling isn't defective, it's a tax.
He sold America a round billed chicken, but like they say, if it squawks like Duck and Walks like a Duck...
"This chicken is broken!"
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clambo says
You're kidding right? McCain was at least competent for the job.
Do you really want someone in the intellectual tradition of the Zwickau Prophets near the Red Phone? If you don't know who the Zwickau Prophets were, Google it.